The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

[The Joker]

Maybe we're destined to do this forever.

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Kidding aside, we have agreed on other things in the past. And you've been awesome.

Why thank you

 

[EliteF50]

Guys, just look at the stupid move he does at 2:57. I mean, WTH? Honestly, try performing that move and it'll get you nothing but a punch in the face.

I don't know if it's because the move was performed very slowly or if that's what Keysie fighting is like, but I don't like it... They need a new fighting style in TDKR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HJj9PewU8&feature=player_embedded

 

[RustyCage]

Guys, just look at the stupid move he does at 2:57. I mean, WTH? Honestly, try performing that move and it'll get you nothing but a punch in the face.

Have you tried it or something?

 

[EliteF50]

Have you tried it or something?

Lol, not exactly, but my friend and I thought this was a weird move when we first saw it, so we decided to check out it's impact.

My friend and I got set up. I hit him down (I'm bigger than him), and he took the hit (He's a tad smaller than me, like Batman/Joker). I used my fists to push him down the way Batman did... Well, it barely did anything. It moved him back and he said the punches hurt, but that's about it.

Now I know I'm not trained in Keysei, but still, Batman could have easily punched Joker in the face with less effort than pulling off that move.

Also, what is it with Bale's Batman and hitting people's necks? That, and his obsession of walking goons into other goons. IT DOES NOTHING.

If I grabbed your neck and walked you to another guys hand, he wouldn't drop his gun and you wouldn't be knocked out.

 

[Boom]

Guys, just look at the stupid move he does at 2:57. I mean, WTH? Honestly, try performing that move and it'll get you nothing but a punch in the face.

I don't know if it's because the move was performed very slowly or if that's what Keysie fighting is like, but I don't like it... They need a new fighting style in TDKR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HJj9PewU8&feature=player_embedded

Everything he does looks so damn rigid and clumsy.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I thought the fight scenes in The Dark Knight were a big improvement. And there was nothing wrong about the fight's in Begins. Well, at least the fight between Batman and Ras was good.

 

[ej_monk84]

I haven't read the entire thread, so pardon me if I repeat anyone's post.

To me, the choreography wasn't bad. They just have to amp up the cadence, the pace and the intensity of the fight. That's what the editing in Batman Begins did. Christopher Nolan said in interviews that he wanted to show fights as a threatening situation instead of something like a show stopping number. So, the frantic editing was supposed to amp up the energy. Unfortunately the camera angles didn't compliment that energy.

They need to split the difference basically. The parking garage in TDK fight wasn't terrible. The club scene was probably the best. The penthouse fight had the clear choreography, but the movements were executed slowly.

 

[Lencho01]

They just know how to live.

After the third film they should do a prequel spin-off of all the crazy adventures they had when they were younger. Batman's story ends. Lucius and Alfred's starts. t:

 

[raybia]

After the third film they should do a prequel spin-off of all the crazy adventures they had when they were younger. Batman's story ends. Lucius and Alfred's starts. t:

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[Lencho01]

I love the concept but for an action oriented film its not completely satisfying. I feel its time for some stylized fighting so I would love to see something similar to what is displayed in IP Man which features the Wing Chun fighting style. Maybe when Batman fights Bane, he quickly realizes that his current fighting style is ineffective and then changes up. I know Nolan wants the fighting style to be practical but it also needs to be entertaining. It is a movie after all.
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That was pretty awesome. Other than the fights, is the story good?

Batman changing up his style would be interesting to see.

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Yes!

 

[Savage]

I love the concept but for an action oriented film its not completely satisfying. I feel its time for some stylized fighting so I would love to see something similar to what is displayed in IP Man which features the Wing Chun fighting style. Maybe when Batman fights Bane, he quickly realizes that his current fighting style is ineffective and then changes up. I know Nolan wants the fighting style to be practical but it also needs to be entertaining. It is a movie after all.
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I completely agree. I'd love for the fight with Bane to be this brutal. No wires. Rough, dirty, lots of grabbing and elbows but some variety in there since people fight with more than just two limbs.

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I mean imagine Bane grabbing Batman by the cape and smashing him through a table. Plus BJJ and a little bit of luchador wrestling would work for the character considering where he's from and his raw power.


EDIT: After the fantastic job he did with Blade II, as well as other films, I don't see why Donnie Yen can't choreograph the fights for TDKR. It's way too late of course but let's just hope Nolan has improved with his fight scenes. He's had a bit of experience by now. Singer wasn't too good as well but then X2 came out and Wolverine vs Lady Deathstrike tore the roof off. Granted even the fight scenes in the first X-men were better than the Batman movies.

 

[circa81]

I much prefer the fights in Begins, for this reason. While it may not have looked pretty, the quick cuts in Begins DID make it appear that batman was FAST, something that did not come across in TDK. Just saying.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

All they really need to do is widen the Keysi moves, if that makes any sense

 

[Savage]

Nope. No clue what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

 

[Savage]

I much prefer the fights in Begins, for this reason. While it may not have looked pretty, the quick cuts in Begins DID make it appear that batman was FAST, something that did not come across in TDK. Just saying.

Exactly. There's gotta be a way to do that while seeing what's going on. Christian Bale is not Jackie Chan so they can't do these extensive shots of him fighting. Quick cuts and camera trickery are required to make him look better than he is...That or Yuen Wo Ping cause that guy made Keanu Reeves and Hugo Weaving look physically intimidating.

 

[ChinoXL]

you know what fight i like guys Donnie Yen vs Sammo - I could totally see bane vs batman like that..that fight scene was intense

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and maybe have batman vs cat women like this

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[ChinoXL]

But to be honest I think we all want batman to fight like Jason Bourne
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[Dark Sentinel]

Nope. No clue what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

Sure. Keysi, as it's designed, is a very closed-up fighting style. As Christian Bale said on the BB DVD extras, it's made for being able to defend yourself when you have no room to defend yourself otherwise. So it utilizes a lot of fist, elbow and knee strikes. Look at the demonstration in the "Training Mind and Body" segment on the BB DVD and you'll see what I'm talking about. Now, while they did widen the moves for BB and TDK, the angles they chose didn't show it, and therefore the maiming aspects of Keysi weren't exactly impactful enough. Not to mention in Begins, they edited the fights from the criminals' POVs, so it was very quick and you couldn't see much. Nolan needs to find a happy medium between the BB and TDK fights, meaning choosing the right angles and catching the right strikes at the right times in order for the audiences to really FEEL it when Batman lands an elbow shot on the side of a guy's head, etc.

Hope I cleared things up a little.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Nope. No clue what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

Make them a bit bigger and more flashy. Less tight and compact, and less practical. More stage combat and less actual effective fighting style.

 

[Savage]

I understand now. I think what needs to be done about that is quick cuts. I don't think the problem is how the method is being used. Just how it's filmed. It takes too long for Batman to go from one move to the next. If they can cut out the transitions entirely and just show the impact (like in the first movie) they'd be fine.

So my solution is this. Cut the fights like the first movie but keep the camera far enough to see the action like in the second movie.

Also bring back Batman throwing kicks.

 

[the amazing fro]

Yes it would be awesome to see a fight like the ones pictured above.

However the batsuit does have to be taken into account. It doesn't matter how good the stuntman is they are going to be moving like snails in quicksand with that on.

So for an improvement in fight scenes the main change needs to be in the suit. Then incorporate a better fighting style (and a better choreographer).

 

[Yurka]

The fights in DK did seem greatly improved, and with Bane in Rises they'll need to be improved more. The only way I can think of making it clearer as well as helping the story is to have wider shots of the fights showing Bane (assumedly) man-handling Batman as well as showing how much bigger he is than him. All the close-quarters fights and camera moves worked in begins and somewhat in the DK but I dont see Batman being able to "get inside" and fight like that against Bane.

 

[Lencho01]

Check out how fast a stuntman can move in this suit...

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[RustyCage]

Check out how fast a stuntman can move in this suit...

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The stuff Buster Reeves is doing looks way better than what we saw in TDK. I dunno if it's because he's just had so much experience doing that sort of thing compared to Bale or what.

Keysi clearly isn't the problem. It's the choreography, execution of the choreography, and the filming of it.

 

[EliteF50]

Check out how fast a stuntman can move in this suit...

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Hmmm.

I respect Bale for trying his own stunts, but I think that may be the problem here. What if they got a stunt man who can do it faster than Bale?