The Dark Knight In your mind, what IS the origin of this version of the Joker?

[CaptainClown]

Someone took the jelly out of his doughnut ^

 

[nightwing666]

I think it does a disservice to the character to boil him down to having a bad childhood. Isn't that a little cliche?

In my mind he's simply nuts, never was normal. And the scars are definitely self inflicted.

I agree with every word you have said and thats what I've always thought that we should never ever feel simpathy for the JOKER.!!

 

[mrbrownie]

WTF!!!! The JOKER is a liar. Plain and simple. The JOKER wants you to feel sorry for him before he does something nasty to you. You obviously dont understand the JOKER!!!!
Madness, as you know, is like gravity all you need is a little push but thats what the JOKER wants you to think. Alot of people are alot stonger than that! What happened to Harvey wasn't just alittle push. His GIRL ****ing DIED and his FACE WAS BURNED HALF OFF.
I never even dreamed that something bad happened to the JOKER to make him be that way. HE's just that ****ed up and sick and twisted of a person to to do things like that.I believe that he did those scares himself. He's just making excuses to why he's like that. Oh it's not my fault my Daddy abused me and he cut a smile into my face or my wife left me because of gambling so I cut a smile into my face to show her the funny side. Bull****! He's ****ing nuts but he high intelligent but in some control but the JOKER is just a persona and the cuts are to throw people off to make them think this guy is 100% insane.

Cliche Internet Ranting aside.

I fully agree with our fellow poster, I think this Joker was so freaking smart and cunning, that he planned everything, even how to mess with peoples perception of him, like the scars, he knew they (cops, Batman, Dent) would try to see them a mark of a tragic event, thus manipulating them into other events in the future until Batman figures it out that he's just messing with everyone, and it's useless to confront him by the psychological side, being that he always has the advantage due to his none explainable behavior.

I know parts of the movie may be seen as real emotion outbursts by the Joker, but, maybe it's just how he thinks the present attitude he's taking would react, being that he acts always, sometimes as childhood abused, love tragedy, or just someone who doesn't want to be alone, but this are just temporary mediums to chaos, meaningless masks, I think we would've seen a very different Joker if there were a sequel with Heath, by different I mean expanded, with a really broad spectrum of personalities. But that's just me

 

[Superwoman Prime]

He was a normal guy that throughout his existance was subjected to horrible disappointment, after horrible disappointment.

After he ran across the wrong crowd, entirely by accident, they saw him for the weakling he was, and decided to take advantage of that. With a new carved smile, he looked in the mirror, and broke down at the sight of his scarred form.

As the moments elapsed in tears, his mind began cracking. All the disappointments pointed to one fact: Life was a sick, SICK joke.

The sobs gradually turned into maniacal laughter.

He wanted in on that joke.

 

[mrbrownie]

Not really a fan of the Zero to Hero (villain in this case) story, done a lot of times, although a nice twist on it, still it's not my personal choice.

 

[Silverstein]

Cliche Internet Ranting aside.

I fully agree with our fellow poster, I think this Joker was so freaking smart and cunning, that he planned everything, even how to mess with peoples perception of him, like the scars, he knew they (cops, Batman, Dent) would try to see them a mark of a tragic event, thus manipulating them into other events in the future until Batman figures it out that he's just messing with everyone, and it's useless to confront him by the psychological side, being that he always has the advantage due to his none explainable behavior.

I know parts of the movie may be seen as real emotion outbursts by the Joker, but, maybe it's just how he thinks the present attitude he's taking would react, being that he acts always, sometimes as childhood abused, love tragedy, or just someone who doesn't want to be alone, but this are just temporary mediums to chaos, meaningless masks, I think we would've seen a very different Joker if there were a sequel with Heath, by different I mean expanded, with a really broad spectrum of personalities. But that's just me

Agreed with every word this man just said.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Good post mrbrownie. I agree, i think a lot more was going to come from Joker if Heath was still alive. I don't know about anyone else but i still see TDK as an introduction to Joker, his story isn't finished yet. But obviously Heaths unfortunate death has changed that

 

[nickyg641]

I don't think the scarring was self-inflicted.

I prefer the Batman '89-style origin, where he was already a sadistic, unstable bastard of a criminal who perhaps stepped on the wrong toes. Screwed over the wrong gangbanger, probably, and got his face carved as a result. Left for dead, he resurfaces sometime later as the Joker.

Not in any way sympathetic, but very fitting of the character.

 

[mrbrownie]

I don't think the scarring was self-inflicted.

I prefer the Batman '89-style origin, where he was already a sadistic, unstable bastard of a criminal who perhaps stepped on the wrong toes. Screwed over the wrong gangbanger, probably, and got his face carved as a result. Left for dead, he resurfaces sometime later as the Joker.

Not in any way sympathetic, but very fitting of the character.

But... that's IS (basically) Batman '89

 

[Congo Jack]

In my mind, I don't know, I'll never know, I'm not supposed to know...and ultimately, I don't really care.

Ditto.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think it's better that we don't know his origin. But i like to think about what he was doing before he took on the Joker persona.
I imagen he was a enforcer or bank robber who was really messed up in the head anyway, turning too many jobs into needless blood baths ala Mr Blonde. Eventually the powers that be got sick and tired of all the heat he was bringing on to their organization so they had him carved up and left for dead.

 

[gwynplaine]

Good post mrbrownie. I agree, i think a lot more was going to come from Joker if Heath was still alive. I don't know about anyone else but i still see TDK as an introduction to Joker, his story isn't finished yet. But obviously Heaths unfortunate death has changed that

Good point, I agree and it also makes me.

 

[nickyg641]

But... that's IS (basically) Batman '89

I know. But B'89, despite focusing too much on Jack, was actually a very good origin. It probably makes more sense than any other origin. The only problem with it is that he was already a well-known criminal, so his identiy is not a mystery.

I prefer him to be a lower level criminal. No one really knows who he is, no one knows his real name, but he sure as hell is far too clever for his own good, so they put a stop to him...or so they think.

 

[mrbrownie]

Hmm... I could get behind that idea, if it were pulled like the short story that someone here made, about him being a hitman, he was singing a really creepy song, and gave his victim a package from his mom, I think, it was really well done.

 

[CJ]

I think the Joker is 'just a freak'

He probably was in Arkham during the events of Batman Begins, without makeup or anything. Just scars. Then once everyone was freed, Joker went about Gotham, doing his usual acts of crime and murder. THEN Joker saw Batman all over the news, and saw Batman as a freak, just like him. Making him not alone in the world. Joker copied Batman's whole theatricality thing by dressing up as a clown and killing people.