Incredible Hulk 2

[Ant-manic]

I don't blame them for the holdup. Hulk hardly has any interesting villains.

they could use the GAmma Corps
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._1-def-300.jpg/250px-GammaCorps_1-def-300.jpg

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Some of hulks villians take some movie magic tweaking and tampering with in order to make them appealing to a movie goers audience.

 

[CoherentChaos]

I still think the U FOES would be a nice visual treat and interesting foe for Hulk. They'd have to tweaked a whole lot to work and to have any substance to them.

A little bit of Hulk vs military might be nice, but not the focus. In fact, have him steam roll right through it right into the real threat. I have this scenario in my head that something about the events of AoU makes Bruce decide to go out in the world as a super activist who doesn't take any ****. He'd be helping people in suffering and stamping out injustice with totally focused anger.

And one such instance that could perhaps serve as the opening scene is a once cruel and powerful warlord (somewhat akin to the Ten Rings dude and his operation that just gets wrecked by Tony) on the run, and absolutely terrified. His forces are getting devastated by the Hulk off screen and he's holing himself up with a nice selection of hostages. Not long after, little bitty Bruce walks in, pants tattered, and is just like "Really? Hostages? Hurting civilians right in front of me isn't going to make this situation any better." The warlord then basically just surrenders.

But then yadda yadda happens and Bruce's easy ride comes to an end and his new found convictions are put to the test, and so on.

 

[Hypestyle]

The Leader and the U-Foes would work. Though I suspect the U-Foes would end up on the SHIELD TV show instead.

 

[CoherentChaos]

hmm that could be interesting. I think they could easily fit a TV budget too. I don't perceive gas (Vapor) and light effects (X Ray) to be tooo difficult or expensive to pull off (at least for those who are trained in those effects). Then you can just make Ironclad similar to Colossus, which basically surmounts to a cgi metal layer on the actor. And then just rig things to fly away violently from Vector, throwing in some stock laser blasts and particle effects for when things get blown to bits.

Leader as the mastermind behind a grand scheme is a must. No doubt.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What would people think of introducing the Red Hulk in a TIH sequel? I think he might do better in movies than he did in the comics. Of course he would eventually become an Avenger as well.

The Hulk villain I want to see the most is Maestro, but there is no way to do him unless they introduce things like time-travel into the MCU, which I dont see them doing anytime soon.

I really do think they should do a Planet Hulk movie somewere down the line though, it would be amazing. Plus it could lead to us getting Skaar.

 

[Shoppy]

What would people think of introducing the Red Hulk in a TIH sequel? I think he might do better in movies than he did in the comics. Of course he would eventually become an Avenger as well.

The Hulk villain I want to see the most is Maestro, but there is no way to do him unless they introduce things like time-travel into the MCU, which I dont see them doing anytime soon.

I really do think they should do a Planet Hulk movie somewere down the line though, it would be amazing. Plus it could lead to us getting Skaar.

I'd suggest doing...

TIH 2: The Indestructible Hulk
Sterns involved in origins of Doc Samson and She-Hulk, who then team up with Hulk, Rick Jones and Amadeus Cho to take on...
Leader & Gargoyle (like the Price/Lorre relationship they had in the cartoon)
Abomination
Gamma Corps
AIMArine Hulks
...with General Ross and a "Hulkbuster" team also involved and the Illuminati making an appearance in a similar way to the SHIELD High Council in Avengers and Cap 2?
Hulk gets blasted into space by the Illuminati at the end and the post credits reveal is tanks containing A-Bomb, Red She-Hulk and Red Hulk.





TIH 3: Planet Hulk
Does what it says on the tin.
In the absence of Silver Surfer, either use Beta Ray Bill as the animated version did or maybe even include Thor himself? .... OR, as a twist, give that part in the story to Hercules as his back door into the MCU?

Post-Credits scene - would have to feature Skaar



AVENGERS: World War Hulk
Use the title but mix it up a bit.
This would be where Hulk and his "Warbound" would return to Earth, we'd get to meet A-Bomb, Red-She-Hulk and Red-Hulk, Hercules would meet Cho opening the door for a movie with Cho as his sidekick
, A-Bomb would get "fixed" at the end flipping things round so Rick's Captain Marvel comes after, but all in all we end up with a pretty solid status quo at the end of it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't want to see Planet Hulk turned to film

 

[A Necessary Evil]

No Planet Hulk and no Rulk, please.

 

[DrCosmic]

What would people think of introducing the Red Hulk in a TIH sequel? I think he might do better in movies than he did in the comics. Of course he would eventually become an Avenger as well.

You had me until the word 'Avenger.' Even moreso, I understand why people don't like Rulk, now, because you phrased it just that way. Rulk changes the 'shape' of the Hulk mythos in a major way.

I think the next Hulk movie shouldn't be an action movie but a monster movie. I think Hulk will work better that way. I also think he needs another hero alongside him, and as such, he might be best off in a Black Widow-like supporting role. Perhaps in Thor 3 or GOTG 2 for a Planet Hulk-lite. If he did have his own film, I'd have him battle War Machine in Hulk Buster armor or something like that until Banner and Hulk come to better terms with one another. In fact, I think I'd take Rulk's whole role and just give it to Rhodey, with a good guy bent, to better illustrate why Hulk is a dangerous rage monster and not an aloof huggable teddy bear you can play cards with.

 

[Shoppy]

You had me until the word 'Avenger.' Even moreso, I understand why people don't like Rulk, now, because you phrased it just that way. Rulk changes the 'shape' of the Hulk mythos in a major way.

Yeah, In the same way that the likes of Venom or Winter Soldier changed the "shape" of Spider-man or Cap's mythos' respectively.

That ain't a bad thing. If you think it is you should stick to the 60s cartoon


From the looks of it Captain America: The Winter Soldier is going to be a mixture of story elements from Nick Fury vs SHIELD and Ed Brubakers run on Captain America that included the arrival of the Winter Soldier (and later Cap's "death").

That's how the movies need to work to create a universe that connects to the comics and wider franchise as a whole...
...Equal parts classic and recent elements.

I think as time goes on the MCU and the 616 will become more similar until it gets to the point where the backstory may be different but the two are heading side by side in the same direction

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, In the same way that the likes of Venom or Winter Soldier changed the "shape" of Spider-man or Cap's mythos' respectively.

That ain't a bad thing. If you think it is you should stick to the 60s cartoon


From the looks of it Captain America: The Winter Soldier is going to be a mixture of story elements from Nick Fury vs SHIELD and Ed Brubakers run on Captain America that included the arrival of the Winter Soldier (and later Cap's "death").

That's how the movies need to work to create a universe that connects to the comics and wider franchise as a whole...
...Equal parts classic and recent elements.

I think as time goes on the MCU and the 616 will become more similar until it gets to the point where the backstory may be different but the two are heading side by side in the same direction

Couldnt agree more. And I think Rulk would add to the Hulk's mythos in the MCU if anything. Lets face it Hulk doesnt have that many good villains so for his solo movie they have to do something different.

Planet Hulk would be a start and an amazing movie if done correctly.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, In the same way that the likes of Venom or Winter Soldier changed the "shape" of Spider-man or Cap's mythos' respectively.

That ain't a bad thing. If you think it is you should stick to the 60s cartoon

From the looks of it Captain America: The Winter Soldier is going to be a mixture of story elements from Nick Fury vs SHIELD and Ed Brubakers run on Captain America that included the arrival of the Winter Soldier (and later Cap's "death").

That's how the movies need to work to create a universe that connects to the comics and wider franchise as a whole...
...Equal parts classic and recent elements.

I think as time goes on the MCU and the 616 will become more similar until it gets to the point where the backstory may be different but the two are heading side by side in the same direction

It's not about it being a new element, but Rulk offers a unique deformation to the Hulk mythos that Venom and Winter Soldier don't offer. They expand the Spider-Man and Captain America concepts in new directions, not just add a powerset to an old foe.

When you said Rulk becomes an Avenger in the comics, it had the same effect on me as if you said Venom (Brock) started dating Mary Jane, or that story where Osborn got Gwen Stacy pregnant. It had the same effect as if you had said Winter Soldier become director of SHIELD.

There's something almost... incestuous about the Hulk family. Red Hulk exemplifies that, especially when he takes Hulk's arch nemesis as his alter ego and Hulk's role in the Avengers. It shows that it's all just looping back on itself, not an expansion like Venom or Winter Soldier. Red Hulk doesn't temporarily take over for Hulk... he's a Hulk annex of sorts. Hulk is still around being Hulk, but now Red Hulk is also Hulk, just red. Superman Red and Superman Blue come to mind.

It's a little hard to define, but the feeling one can get from Red Hulk is that he is poorly conceived and executed. He could be like a Venom or Winter Soldier, but instead he's like a Jackpot (remember Mary Jane's superhero alter ego?) or a US Agent that the artists just can't get enough of.

EDIT: I think I would do Red Hulk still, but I suspect I'd make it someone other than Ross.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Wasn't Red Hulk one of the Defenders at one point?

 

[batdude]

No he wasn't. I can almost see them shoving Red Hulk into Avengers 3 if Ruffalo asks for too much money though.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Wasn't Red Hulk one of the Defenders at one point?

Who fought the Defenders
Later became an Avenger

 

[Shoppy]

Wasn't Red Hulk one of the Defenders at one point?

He had a team called the "Offenders" consisting of Red Hulk, Tiger Shark, Terrax and Baron Mordo ... basically a villains version of the main 4 Defenders...

...Are you thinking of the 2011 Defenders team which consisted of Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, Namor, Red She-Hulk and Iron Fist?

It's not about it being a new element, but Rulk offers a unique deformation to the Hulk mythos that Venom and Winter Soldier don't offer. They expand the Spider-Man and Captain America concepts in new directions, not just add a powerset to an old foe.

No they don't "...just add a powerset to an old foe"...

...Venom "adds an old powerset to a new foe"
...and Winter Soldier add's the "foe" element to a former ally and beefs up his powerset.

It's not actually that different.
Also ... Iron Patriot = old foe improved with new powerset
...Venom (MacGargan) = old foe improved with new powerset
... Mach V (Beetle)
etc

When you said Rulk becomes an Avenger in the comics, it had the same effect on me as if you said Venom (Brock) started dating Mary Jane, or that story where Osborn got Gwen Stacy pregnant. It had the same effect as if you had said Winter Soldier become director of SHIELD.

It wasn't me that mentioned Rulk becoming an Avenger, but I have to say I think you're being VERY selective here...

What about Flash Thompson becoming Venom?
Tony Stark becoming Director Of Shield?
Colossus getting Juggernaught's powers?
etc

It seems like to support your argument (which is one of personal taste) you're pulling examples out of the air that don't stand up to scrutiny, particularly when set against a broader look at the Marvel Universe.

Surely the MCU should be for EVERYONE? .... that means not pigeonholing it for the benefit of fans who only want to see the bits they have a personal preference for and nothing more ..... that's a restrictive approach.

There's something almost... incestuous about the Hulk family....

Absolutely, (see "Old Man Logan" )

Red Hulk exemplifies that, especially when he takes Hulk's arch nemesis as his alter ego and Hulk's role in the Avengers...

"he takes Hulk's arch nemesis as his alter ego "? .... nah I'm not even going to entertain the wording of that.

...It shows that it's all just looping back on itself, not an expansion like Venom or Winter Soldier. Red Hulk doesn't temporarily take over for Hulk... he's a Hulk annex of sorts. Hulk is still around being Hulk, but now Red Hulk is also Hulk, just red. Superman Red and Superman Blue come to mind.

The best things to ever happen to the Venom symbiote story-wise wer Mac Gargan and later Flash Thompson. That's an expansion, prior to that Venom's story could have been told with Peter as a "What-If" where he keeps the symbiote.

Rulk does more than that. There's more difference between his powerset and Hulk's than there is between Spidey's and Venom's
I don't know how you can call Venom more of an expansion on Spider-Man than Rulk is on Hulk?

As for the Winter Soldier .... he BECOMES the new Captain America.

Are you one of those people who READS the classics but READS ABOUT the new stories and decided not to bother before you've read em?

It's a little hard to define, but the feeling one can get from Red Hulk is that he is poorly conceived and executed. He could be like a Venom or Winter Soldier, but instead he's like a Jackpot (remember Mary Jane's superhero alter ego?) or a US Agent that the artists just can't get enough of.

I beg to differ,
I think if that's the impression you get of Red Hulk you must have read from his early appearances (which played the "red-herring" card too often) up to his diluted presence as an Avengers member.

Check out "Circle Of Four" and "Marvel Now:Thunderbolts", that's Red Hulk in his element...
...But we aren't going to get that in the MCU without bringing him in as part of Hulk's story first.

I say get it over and done with and introduce She-Hulk and Samson in one film and Rulk, She-Rulk and A-Bomb in the next, then let em all toddle off around the MCU and do their own thing.

EDIT: I think I would do Red Hulk still, but I suspect I'd make it someone other than Ross.

That would remove the very essence of what the Red Hulk is.

To fight the thing he hates, he was willing to become the thing he hates.
Hulk is the "monster" inside Banner...
...but in a way Rulk is the "man" inside General Ross.

That's not going to have the same effect if you make Rulk the alter-ego of someone like Glenn Talbot (who would be the next obvious choice)

 

[Dr. Evil]

Rulk I think is not needed. I would rather not see General Ross or even Betty exposed to the same thing Banner got exposed to.

 

[Shoppy]

Rulk I think is not needed. I would rather not see General Ross or even Betty exposed to the same thing Banner got exposed to.

Not if you want the MCU to resemble 20th century Marvel, no he isn't...

..but come on CATCH UP people ...

...expecting the MCU to draw a line that precludes the introduction of the new Marvel characters of the 21st century makes as much sense as demanding that the first Iron Man movie remain true to "Tales Of Suspense #39".

...at the end of the day it's about people wanting the characters they like and know in the movies and wanting to exclude the bits they either don't like or can't be bothered getting into.



Whether or not you want them in there, these characters belong in the MCU as it develops because they belong in the extant comic book universe it runs parallel with.

If people can't accept that prospect as viable they should just draw a line at 2007 before the introduction of Red Hulk in 2008 (which interestingly makes him OLDER than the MCU itself ) and definitely not bother with anything that came after the Disney takeover.

 

[DrCosmic]

No they don't "...just add a powerset to an old foe"...

...Venom "adds an old powerset to a new foe"
...and Winter Soldier add's the "foe" element to a former ally and beefs up his powerset.

It's not actually that different.
Also ... Iron Patriot = old foe improved with new powerset
...Venom (MacGargan) = old foe improved with new powerset
... Mach V (Beetle)
etc



It wasn't me that mentioned Rulk becoming an Avenger, but I have to say I think you're being VERY selective here...

What about Flash Thompson becoming Venom?
Tony Stark becoming Director Of Shield?
Colossus getting Juggernaught's powers?
etc

It seems like to support your argument (which is one of personal taste) you're pulling examples out of the air that don't stand up to scrutiny, particularly when set against a broader look at the Marvel Universe.

Surely the MCU should be for EVERYONE? .... that means not pigeonholing it for the benefit of fans who only want to see the bits they have a personal preference for and nothing more ..... that's a restrictive approach.

It's not restrictive. Marvel doesn't have to avoid things that I don't like, they're free to do things that are distasteful to me. They already have on several occasions.

My examples certainly stand up to scrutiny, as my taste is consistent. Venom and Winter Soldier, as you illustrated, do something slightly different, they expand, deepening and complicating the relationships between the hero and former allies/symbiotes/etc. Iron Patriot and Gargan Venom are examples of what I'm talking about, sure, but I equally believe they would be horrible choices for movie villains, and there's a reason those storylines have faded, because they're honestly not that good. Rulk however, has stayed around. You may disagree with my taste, but it stands up to scrutiny. I have not been inconsistent.

What makes these powerset changes really interesting is the flip flop between hero and villain. It makes it an expansion, because the previous relationship is deepened, not just beefed up in power level. That's why you see that with all these characters from Iron Patriot to Winter Soldier to Venom to Tony Stark coming off of Civil War to JuggoColossus... the flip flop between hero and villain expands the story , instead of just the powerset.

Absolutely, (see "Old Man Logan" )


"he takes Hulk's arch nemesis as his alter ego "? .... nah I'm not even going to entertain the wording of that.

What you refuse to entertain is much of the problem. Rulk can easily be seen as cheap and lazy writing because they created an entirely new villain and instead of creating a new backstory they just strip mined a classic foe. That's distasteful to some people.

The incestuous part has to do with his new super powered villains coming from his old non super powered villains and his new super powered allies coming from his old non super powered allies. Not just once, several times. It's weak writing, imho. Well executed, but a well done incestuous relationship is still distasteful to me.

The best things to ever happen to the Venom symbiote story-wise wer Mac Gargan and later Flash Thompson. That's an expansion, prior to that Venom's story could have been told with Peter as a "What-If" where he keeps the symbiote.

Rulk does more than that. There's more difference between his powerset and Hulk's than there is between Spidey's and Venom's
I don't know how you can call Venom more of an expansion on Spider-Man than Rulk is on Hulk?

As for the Winter Soldier .... he BECOMES the new Captain America.

Are you one of those people who READS the classics but READS ABOUT the new stories and decided not to bother before you've read em?

I could ask you the same question if you think Peter Parker could replace Eddie Brock in the classic acclaimed Venom stories. Gargan's stories were almost utterly forgettable, and while Flash Thompson is a great story, it would be infinitely suckier if he was a classic Spidey villain. We know this because that's what they tried before

Likewise, just like Flash Thompson Venom is an infinitely better character than Mac Gargan Venom, a Doc Sampson or Rick Jones Red Hulk would be an infinitely better character than Ross as Red Hulk.

Another reason I'd ask you that same question is because you equate 'expansion of mythos' with 'expansion of powerset.' Which is just sad. Red Hulk definitely expands the powerset... but so? It's still Hulk vs Ross, but now Ross is also a Hulk, to the point that he's a superhero on the Avengers.

But to answer your question, yes, my Hulk-fanatic friend makes us read the recent Hulk stuff often until I simply can't stand to read any more. It's very anime inspired to me. Not good anime either, like DBZ/Naruto type of power level = character development.

I beg to differ,
I think if that's the impression you get of Red Hulk you must have read from his early appearances (which played the "red-herring" card too often) up to his diluted presence as an Avengers member.

Check out "Circle Of Four" and "Marvel Now:Thunderbolts", that's Red Hulk in his element...
...But we aren't going to get that in the MCU without bringing him in as part of Hulk's story first.

I say get it over and done with and introduce She-Hulk and Samson in one film and Rulk, She-Rulk and A-Bomb in the next, then let em all toddle off around the MCU and do their own thing.


That would remove the very essence of what the Red Hulk is.

To fight the thing he hates, he was willing to become the thing he hates.
Hulk is the "monster" inside Banner...
...but in a way Rulk is the "man" inside General Ross.

That's not going to have the same effect if you make Rulk the alter-ego of someone like Glenn Talbot (who would be the next obvious choice)

I agree Red Hulk is well-executed, but the concept is still distasteful for all the reasons I've outlined above and more, which I can continue to provide if you like, as I continue to explore why the concept of Rulk makes me cringe the more I think about it.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I still say the red Hulk is Marvel's Poochie. Not interested in seeing him onscreen in any way.

 

[Shoppy]

Another reason I'd ask you that same question is because you equate 'expansion of mythos' with 'expansion of powerset.[' Which is just sad. /B].

It's a good job that's not what I was saying then isn't it? t:

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The Incredible Hulk is still my favorite Marvel movie (well, actually X2 is but i am referring to Dinsey/Marvel universe)

anyway, i would like to see a Hulk sequel

or at the very least, get Hulk as a supporting character in another character's solo movie (Iron Man 4, Cap 3, Thor 3, etc.)

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hulk definitely deserves a sequel. Marvel should capitalize on the popularity boost.

 

[DrCosmic]

It's a good job that's not what I was saying then isn't it? t:

It's not? You said:

Rulk does more than that. There's more difference between his powerset and Hulk's than there is between Spidey's and Venom's
I don't know how you can call Venom more of an expansion on Spider-Man than Rulk is on Hulk?

Why did you counter my thought about expanding the mythos with a word about how it expands the powerset? And then add on that you're confused how anyone could see it differently?