The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[El Payaso]

I want to be CONSISTENT with BB.

It doesn't have to be the same, but it should be consistent, if you see what I'm saying.

I see what you're saying. Now I want to finally see the fights.

Do I want the fighting in TDK to be the same as BB?

OF COURSE! Who doesn't like shakey camera?

Me! For that matter who needs to spend millions in a movie? all I have to do is to shake my head wildly and I have fabulous Nolan Bat-action.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

If this is the type of thing you're referring it also happens to be what I'm referring. It's a pretty cool fight scene though! (about 1:30)

There's nothing in the link.

 

[thegameq]

I don't think Nolan really has much of a choice if he wants to stay within the context of his film. If he were to show more of the actual technique, it would take on the choreographed look and thus turned into the "ballet" some seem to be opposed to. For a one on one fight, yeah, the Bourne approach could work, but that seems to down and dirty for Batman, especially with the cape and all.

But in a fight with five or more henchmen, it will look choreographed and possibly venture into the realm of stylized fighting. Not to say it can't be done, I just think it will take away from Nolan's overall vision.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I don't think Nolan really has much of a choice if he wants to stay within the context of his film. If he were to show more of the actual technique, it would take on the choreographed look and thus turned into the "ballet" some seem to be opposed to. For a one on one fight, yeah, the Bourne approach could work, but that seems to down and dirty for Batman, especially with the cape and all.

But in a fight with five or more henchmen, it will look choreographed and possibly venture into the realm of stylized fighting. Not to say it can't be done, I just think it will take away from Nolan's overall vision.

Too down and dirty for the same Batman from BB? That guy was basically a glorified street fighter. That's what made it so awesome. A welcome relief from the Schrumacher "fight scenes."

 

[FCEEVIPER]

i want to see Costantine-like fight!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJxYTkUUVG0

the first scene and from 2:30

You want to to watch Batman kill people with holy water and with a huge gun in TDK?

 

[El Payaso]

I don't think Nolan really has much of a choice if he wants to stay within the context of his film. If he were to show more of the actual technique, it would take on the choreographed look and thus turned into the "ballet" some seem to be opposed to. For a one on one fight, yeah, the Bourne approach could work, but that seems to down and dirty for Batman, especially with the cape and all.

But in a fight with five or more henchmen, it will look choreographed and possibly venture into the realm of stylized fighting. Not to say it can't be done, I just think it will take away from Nolan's overall vision.

So it's simply and absolutely impossible to do a good fight scene. Mhh.

 

[kirbyfan]

It can't be justified, the fighting in BB was absolutely terrible! The fighting in Daredevil was so much better.

For the Dk it must be better, no excuses, it must be better!

 

[Hole Shot]

I don't think Nolan really has much of a choice if he wants to stay within the context of his film. If he were to show more of the actual technique, it would take on the choreographed look and thus turned into the "ballet" some seem to be opposed to. For a one on one fight, yeah, the Bourne approach could work, but that seems to down and dirty for Batman, especially with the cape and all.

But in a fight with five or more henchmen, it will look choreographed and possibly venture into the realm of stylized fighting. Not to say it can't be done, I just think it will take away from Nolan's overall vision.

Thank you!

 

[Figs]

I don't mind the fast cuts, he just needs to pull back a little more with the camera. I want it just as fast, so it doesn't look like an obvious set up fight. More on the fly and whatnot. I was able to tell everything that was going on in the BB fights, I just think that if he hadn't zoomed in so much it would have looked that much better with the speed and energy of Batman kicking ass.

 

[Figs]

So it's simply and absolutely impossible to do a good fight scene. Mhh.

He's not saying its impossible to do a good fight scene, he just wants one that looks realistic and not set up/choreographed(sp?).

 

[Hole Shot]

There's nothing in the link.

Here's the direct link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xHu7BphU0

What are you supposed to paste in the [y] [/ y] field to embed? I tried the URL and the tag and neither worked.

 

[Juanigi]

X3xHu7BphU0

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

Here's the direct link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xHu7BphU0

What are you supposed to paste in the [y] [/ y] field to embed? I tried the URL and the tag and neither worked.

Unfortunately I don't know how to post videos so I will give you some examples.

Jet Li: CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE (Especially the UFC scene) UNLEASHED, HERO

Jackie Chan: Pretty much all of his movies have him being rushed with a multitude of people.

In terms of fighting their American films are most likely (code for obviously) more realistic than the ones in their foreign movies.

 

[El Payaso]

He's not saying its impossible to do a good fight scene, he just wants one that looks realistic and not set up/choreographed(sp?).

In order to achieve that it seems the only way would be not to show a thing, like in BB. If for not showing things, anything is possible that way.

 

[deathfromabove]

I don't understand why people dislike the Begins fight scenes so much. He's Batman, you're not supposed to see him coming because he's a ninja.

And have you seen the fight scenes in the earlier movies? He tries to kick someone and he has to move his back to a right angle to get his leg 3 feet in the air!

I for one can't stand the overstylized Matrix-style fight scene. It's ridiculous, and it takes away from the rest of the movie. No more slow motion bullets or any of that crap, please.

There's too much importance placed on how someone fights in movies these days, and not enough emphasis on why he fights.

great post.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

great post.

How so? We all know why Batman fights. We know why Neo fights. We're not ******ed, we don't need an in depth reason. Plus, the Matrix fight scenes ROCK!!!

 

[BubbaGump]

I like the choppy, erotic visuals.

Oh wait, wrong movie.

 

[Batman>all]

Here's the direct link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xHu7BphU0

What are you supposed to paste in the [y] [/ y] field to embed? I tried the URL and the tag and neither worked.

that would be cool to be shot like this

 

[Hole Shot]

Jet Li: CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE (Especially the UFC scene)

Right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHV1ScVoPZI

For the most part he's still taking them on individually, there's a part where he does get several at one time but it is still obviously timed and choreographed.

It's a personal thing with more so than anything, no matter what movie I'm watching it's first thing I notice in any "outnumbered" type fight scene. That's why I prefer the choppy style in those types fo fights. It's easier to hide the choreography and better portrays the chaos of what 4-5 guys attacking the same guy at the same would be like.

Another thing that really separates BB is at the train the first time he confronts Ra's and four guys surround him as Ra's takes off toward Wayne Tower. Notice how Batman surveys the four, picks one and makes the first move by tackling him and taking him over the railing, i.e. he takes the offensive to eliminate the number of opponents as quickly as possible. Now notice how in both those Jet Li clips and almost every other fight scene, the hero takes a defensive position and waits for each opponent to attack him.

What makes more sense? Breaking out of the circle or letting the cirlce close in around you?

And that's my thesis as to why Batman rocks Kung Fu guys' face off.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

Right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHV1ScVoPZI

For the most part he's still taking them on individually, there's a part where he does get several at one time but it is still obviously timed and choreographed.

It's a personal thing with more so than anything, no matter what movie I'm watching it's first thing I notice in any "outnumbered" type fight scene. That's why I prefer the choppy style in those types fo fights. It's easier to hide the choreography and better portrays the chaos of what 4-5 guys attacking the same guy at the same would be like.

Another thing that really separates BB is at the train the first time he confronts Ra's and four guys surround him as Ra's takes off toward Wayne Tower. Notice how Batman survey the four, picks one and makes the first move by tackling him a taking him over the railing, i.e. he takes the offensive to eliminate the number of opponents as quickly as possible. Now notice how in both those Jet Li clips and almost every other fight scene, the hero takes a defensive position and waits for each opponent to attack him.

What makes more sense? Breaking out of the circle or letting the cirlce close in around you?

And that's my thesis as to why Batman rocks Kung Fu guys' face off.

Good points, good points. I must agree.

 

[thundercatsgo]

I didnt hate the BB fighting scenes but I clamored for more and it was lackluster esp the train part. Some shots were so head ache inducing too that it showed the inexperienced side of Nolan as an action director as critics pointed out.As if I can see Liam Neeson struggling to keep up with the action scenes. I thought Ras was gonna pass out.

 

[xero1186]

-I thought the way they portrayed Batman's fighting was brilliant! I was even more pleased that they took great lengths to show he trained in several different martial arts and that he traveled the world to learn them. The fight scenes were great. I don't understand why there's so much animosity about it. Especially since Batman doesn't tend to have long drawn out fights as it is. He's very efficient.

-I don't think I could be more frustrated if I ever saw bullet time in Batman. That would contradict Nolan's style imo.

-In the comics Batman gets pretty messed up his first year. I really hope they show him more experienced in this film. Nolan and company did a great job exploiting his inexperience in Begins and I hope Batman is very refined in TDK. More bitter too.

 

[kirbyfan]

No reasoning matters if you can't plainly see what the heck he was doing?

 

[El Payaso]

-I thought the way they portrayed Batman's fighting was brilliant! I was even more pleased that they took great lengths to show he trained in several different martial arts and that he traveled the world to learn them. The fight scenes were great. I don't understand why there's so much animosity about it. Especially since Batman doesn't tend to have long drawn out fights as it is. He's very efficient.

We were all excited about how many fighting styles he was trained for. That's why even more painful when, after 1 long hour of waiting we finally see Batman showing... none of those fighting styles. Just the same I see when I shake my head rapidly.

-I don't think I could be more frustrated if I ever saw bullet time in Batman. That would contradict Nolan's style imo.

No to bullet time. Please.

Not the only single style out there to show a good fight though.

-In the comics Batman gets pretty messed up his first year. I really hope they show him more experienced in this film. Nolan and company did a great job exploiting his inexperience in Begins and I hope Batman is very refined in TDK. More bitter too.

I just hope they show Batman's fights.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Definitely not. It was fine the first time it was used, but after that there really wasn't any excuse not to pull the camera back. Let's hope they fix this in the sequel.