Interstellar - Part 8

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Interstellar (2014)
Rotten Tomatoes: 73%
Director: Christopher Nolan
Starring: Mathew McConaughay, Anne Hathaway, Jessica Chastain

Christopher Nolan's Interstellar is a rare gem: a "hard" science fiction space opera blockbuster from Hollywood, off the top of my head I can't think of any having been made since Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. Think about it: nobody's made a hard science fiction space opera blockbuster in 46 years, and Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan and Kip Thorne had the courage to do so. It is as such a movie building a new foundation, treading new ground and establishing the standard ... and it succeed spectacularly. Interstellar incorporates commentary about global warming and the failings of human leadership, the drive and power of exploration, and genuinely well thought-out science in several aspects. There is rational world-building in this movie that I can't recall seeing in any recent film.

The world of Interstellar is a dying world, environmentally and sociologically. It's like the dust bowls from the 1930s, but this time in the 2030s, or some other upcoming decade. Apparently the environmentally wasteland scenes are filmed in Alberta, Canada, and thus I think that the robot's name "TARS" may be a reference to the environmentally devastating Tar Sands, though I'm not sure. This world is decaying sociologically, school children are now taught that the moon landings were faked, a clever piece of writing in building a hopeless future. It's not altogether different from how we sometimes diminish or deny the successes of past societies.

It's when Cooper goes to space that the movie takes off. There's the obligatory shot of Saturn ... nearly every space opera including Man of Steel and Star Trek includes a shot of Saturn, it's the most beautiful planet in the Solar system, though Nolan manages to make it even more beautiful. Nolan is simply a superior visual artist. We then see something magnificent, a shot of a worm hole and what it would like (worm holes are probably impossible), the travelling through a worm hole, and then a different kind of solar system than the one we're used to seeing on Earth.

People who hate science are going to hate this movie. This movie doesn't just put pixels on the screen and calls them "worlds", it builds these worlds coherently and has the audacity to explain them. We see things we've never seen in movies before: planets where the gravity is not the same as on Earth, planets that are nearly habitable but not habitable, ... it was exciting, I can't recall the last time that I had seen a sensible alien world, we just always get phoney alien planets like in Pitch Black or in Guardians of the Galaxy or in Star Trek. One of the planets, shown in the trailers, has these monstrous tidal waves... I hadn't expected that, but once I saw it, it made perfect sense, obviously a planet in a large gravitational field would have huge tidal waves. Nolan has given me something I've wanted to see for a while: alien worlds.

Unsurprisingly, these worlds are more interesting than what we're used to seeing, and hopefully Nolan will have succeeded in elevating the standard of the standards of world-building.

Some other interesting bits:
- The physical design of the robot TARS, also, his comedy was excellent, I don't think I've laughed so genuinely in theatres this year outside of The Lego Movie;
- Seeing the accretion disk around the black hole, I didn't know you would be able to see it from all four sides but once I saw it, it immediately made sense, I wonder if people had already realised that;
- What Matthew Matthew McConaughey went through at the end of the movie was a good homage to the 4th act of 2001, and was actually an upgrade. The design of the meta-library reminded me of something I learned in General Relativity class;

There's some very strong character work in these films. As pointed out elsewhere previously, Brand (Anne Hathaway) checks on her samples immediately after the damage. There's a good treatment of the conflict between emotion and reason, in her discourse of which planet to go to. Dr. Mann (Matt Damon) going crazy is extremely plausible, and it's not something that would ordinarily be shown. Here we have an intelligent, good-looking character become a temporary antagonist and in some ways an indictment of the system -- that's writing contrary to standards. NASA is actually afraid of people going crazy on trips to Mars, and simulations show this to be a real threat. Anybody who doesn't cry or is close to crying when Cooper cries halfway through lacks a soul. Murph (Jessica Chastain) working for years to develop her theory is also not what Hollywood shows -- normally progress comes instantly. Here, progress came in a slow steady stream, which is sure to confuse modern audiences. Also, Murph trying to get her brother's family out of that home is good writing, it shows her general intelligence is not just about numbers -- which unfortunately may confuse mainstream audiences since it is contrary to Hollywood standards.

There are a few errors though:
- Why is Murph calling Professor Brand (Michael Caine) "professor"? After years of working with him she should be referring to him by his first name;
- The music was really loud. That may just be a problem with my specific theatre but I had trouble making out a lot of the dialogue. That's a problem with a lot of movies lately, the music was also way too loud in Darren Aronofsky's Noah. I do think the score was good, but ... it was too loud.

Overall, an excellent movie. I hope I have another chance to see it, hopefully in a city with an IMAX theatre, while it's still playing. Most of the negative reviews of the film are rooted in ignorance and generalised anti-intellectuality, though that doesn't bother me I hope the film's reputation eventually rises above that cult of mediocrity. This is a brilliant film ... it's engaging, beautiful, and unlike anything we've ever seen before. It expands the conversation of what constitutes cinema, and it will even lead to some new scientific papers coming out :-)

Grade: A
 
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Yeah like i said, it's pretty okay. :b

I would have removed the [BLACKOUT]Matt Damon subplot alltogether, i understand having an "antagonist" made Brand and Cooper more closer as the perils grew, but i liked how it was about this space adventure, the stakes we're already high. Didn't like how Cooper's son became a grunt too.[/BLACKOUT]
If I were to score this film ,
I would say 3.5 out of 5 stars .
Or 7.5 out of 10.
I would deduct at least a point and a half if the part that you didnt like was removed .
 
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I thought it was ok but a bit average.

The matt Damon bits were boring and could easily have been removed to make a shorter film with a better story

Anne Hathaway was great but lost me with that ridiculous speech about the power of love. Seriously, who wrote that?

Jessica Chastain was wonderful. I have no idea why the movie didn't make her the main protaganist.

Random weird movements by the characters like casey affleck randomly becoming a bad father didn't make sense and weren't properly explained.

Loved the big science fiction ideas though even if they weren't wholely accurate

Yea I agree with all these points.
 
Nice to see you guys discussing the Novikov principle after I introduced it to the forum a few months ago :-)
 
Don't know if this was posted yet, but I just read that Neil Degrasse Tyson will have Christopher Nolan on his StarTalk Radio podcast soon.

Omg yes! I love Startalk radio and I've been waiting for Neil to talk about the movie. This will be awesome.
 
If I were to score this film ,
I would say 3.5 out of five stars .
Or 7.5 out of 10.
I would deduct at least a point and a half if the part that you didnt like was removed .

I dug the Matt Damon bit but I understand it prior to seeing the movie. I'm personal friends with someone who has engaged in Mars exploration simulations, I read Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson as well. I think that a lot of viewers might have no idea why Dr. Mann went crazy. It might have been better for the movie to introduce that issue earlier on.
 
While I'm not a fan of Interstellar, I do like how it's encouraging discussion and such.

On the other hand, the opening weekend for this movie is $50M, which means the actuals could be a bit lower or higher than that tomorrow. And it'll have to have a Gravity or Gone Girl hold in order to cross $200M domestic.
 
I don't understand how some folks think they can just throw away a subplot ala Mann?

It's not that easy... and kind of derogatory to the filmmakers.

It's more than a random action scene setup, it was a commentary on two different characters' inner demons and POV, plus a look into humans as a whole and our need for corruption and self.

I've got numerous films that yes I have something I didn't like in it, but I could see it overall worth within the whole story.
 
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Any eagle-eyed people out there know if there are any science or physics tomes on the bookshelf?
I thought I saw something with "Infinity" in the title .
 
While I'm not a fan of Interstellar, I do like how it's encouraging discussion and such.

On the other hand, the opening weekend for this movie is $50M, which means the actuals could be a bit lower or higher than that tomorrow. And it'll have to have a Gravity or Gone Girl hold in order to cross $200M domestic.

Oh, it will have solid legs... all Nolan films do. Plus, Thanksgiving will bring heavy family traffic, I feel.
 
Any eagle-eyed people out there know if there are any science or physics tomes on the bookshelf?
I thought I saw something with "Infinity" in the title .

I saw Conan Doyle; assuming it was a Sherlock Collection...
 
The funniest was the bookshelves in Gone Girl were basically B&N best seller shelves...
 
Instellar's did not hit 50million, Paramount's Sunday estimate is ridiculously generous. Maybe they will end up lying it to 50million like they lied transformers 4 to 100million opening weekend.
 
I give it a 7.5/10.

I just dont think Nolan was able to mesh well his ambitious intellectual artistic sci fi ideas with the cheesy lots of crying and screaming melodramatic scenes. The visual effects should get an Oscar, the art direction is top notch, the music was good, the acting was fantastic. But I still had problems with Nolan's cinematography, editing, use of dialogue, and the way he explores his themes. Watching 2001: A Space Odyssey before this was a mistake. Interstellar is a good movie, but not the masterpiece I was hoping it would be.
 
Instellar's did not hit 50million, Paramount's Sunday estimate is ridiculously generous. Maybe they will end up lying it to 50million like they lied transformers 4 to 100million opening weekend.


Yeah I was just going to post that. Same studio. Where's Puerto Rico when you need it? :hehe:
 
Yeah I was just going to post that. Same studio. Where's Puerto Rico when you need it? :hehe:
Yep Puerto Rico to the rescuse again.

The opening is pretty good but I suspected it wasn't opening with Inception numbers. Good luck with having long legs with Mockingjay coming out. I'm sure it will have pretty good legs but I doubt they are going to be Inception good. I could be wrong though, gotta wait and see what happens.
 
I find it difficult to assess this film. All I can say is that while I had my small issues with it, I was enthralled by it. Such a wonderful cinematic experience and indeed, epic.

It was well acted, that's what I loved most. MMc, Chastain and Hathaway were brilliant, with Chastain possibly being the one who steals it. The voice actors deserve acclaim also.

The story lost me in the end but you have to admire the balls of it, there were big ideas there and they were actually executed as opposed to something like Prometheus which talked a big game but delivered little.
 
Actuals should be around $48 million, if I had to guess. I'm kinda disappointed at the box office returns, but here's hoping it has decent legs. It's doing pretty good internationally though.
 
I think the best I could realistically hope for with this movie when taking into account it's apparently milder reception(than Nolan's last 3 films), run time, competition from THG3, yada, yada....I'll say around $150m DOM which is good legs, a solid 3X multiplier. WW probably low-mid $400m's. Why people were expecting Inception numbers WW is beyond me.
 
Something that I already saw JMC tackle and something I agree with him is that a lot of people are calling certain aspects "pseduo science"

(specifically the one pertaining to Cooper in the 5th dimension and love)

It directly deals with string theory/M-theory and in that sense like JMC mentioned is entirely plausible. As of right now General Relativity and Quantum Field Theory aren't even compatible which is why astrophysicist are still searching for the "theory of everything". The more you read up on it the more unbelievable the scenarios become but that's just a case where fact truly is much stranger than fiction.

You might appreciate this. [YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vYHOPFgcg&list=PLEB923BB17E5849A3[/YT]
 
The hype for the movie was outrageously massive, over the top some might say. If Paramount gives us the true numbers on Monday the opening weekend will officially be deemed disappointing. Heck a lot of people think it's disappointing already. The movie didn't have Leo or any great trailers so I think it's lucky to have done as well as it did. Maybe it will have a Gone Girl type of run and maybe it won't it's hard to tell right now.
 
Any eagle-eyed people out there know if there are any science or physics tomes on the bookshelf?
I thought I saw something with "Infinity" in the title .
I only noticed Stephen King's The Stand in a few shots.
 
Phil Plait of the Bad Astronomy blog doesn't like Interstellar, and I'm reminded of why I have never gotten into his blog:
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...movie_s_black_holes_wormholes_relativity.html

Plait still doesn’t like the movie. :word: But he has issued a partial retraction regarding Interstellar’s black hole/science “mistake” [blackout](particularly the 1hr=7 years time dilation stuff).[/blackout]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr..._followup_movie_science_mistake_was_mine.html

I admit, Plait’s initial criticism was concerning to me - as it seemed like something Thorne would have vetoed (or, at least, acknowledged as a “cheat” in interviews). Turns out, Thorne was on the ball. :cwink:
 
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