Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

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Marvel rebranded fu Manchu to Zheng zu years ago.

 

[Webhead2006]

Def interesting to see how Shang chi be used and what his story be. Curious to see who they land for him. And I doubt they adding him just cause they cast a white iron fist. Fist likely was never going to be changed in first place.

 

[mace1]

Fu Manchu (comics)

Fu Manchu first appeared in Special Marvel Edition #15 (December 1973). He was created by Sax Rohmer and adapted into Marvel Comics by Steve Englehart, Al Milgrom, and Jim Starlin. As the result of Marvel Comics later losing the rights to the Fu Manchu name, his later appearances give him the real name of Zheng Zu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_Manchu_%28comics%29


Zheng Zu (Earth-616)

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Zheng_Zu_(Earth-616)

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't want to put much stock into the Shang-Chi rumors until it's official. However, if they are true, it just seems like they are maybe doing it to placate the minority of critics who complained about the casting of Iron Fist. It's a consolation prize.

 

[Majik1387]

Pretty much. Yet again, side characters are okay to be minority, but not main ones.

 

[TheVileOne]

Pretty much. Yet again, side characters are okay to be minority, but not main ones.

Technically, Shang-Chi is more than just a side character since he's a longtime existing Marvel character who could potentially headline his own show. He has over 40 years of history and is a legacy character.

 

[Majik1387]

A lot of characters have that, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Hulk has had more history and legacy as a character and hasn't been more than a side character in 8 years.

 

[mace1]

I don't want to put much stock into the Shang-Chi rumors until it's official. However, if they are true, it just seems like they are maybe doing it to placate the minority of critics who complained about the casting of Iron Fist. It's a consolation prize.

Here is some chat about that.

Originally Posted by kalorama
I have no problem with Shang Chi being it it, but this comes across like a rather obvious desperation ploy/compromise to quiet critics, the kind of ploy that usually ends up not only not quieting the critics but often causing a new round of criticism because of the obvious desperation/compromise.

Originally Posted by XPac

Honestly I doubt they were desperate enough to throw Shang in there JUST because of some Internet controversy. I think it's entirely possible Shang would be used anyways.

I'm sure they want to throw a few other martial artists in there and Shang is an obvious option.

http://community.comicbookresources...-s-quot-Iron-Fist-quot-To-Also-Star-Shang-Chi

 

[RockSP]

A lot of characters have that, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Hulk has had more history and legacy as a character and hasn't been more than a side character in 8 years.

I'm assuming you mean mcu Hulk, who isn't the best character to use for your point. There are studio rights issues with Hulk that Shang Chi doesn't have (as far as I know).

 

[Jammat]

Pretty much. Yet again, side characters are okay to be minority, but not main ones.

The Netflix leading characters so far are a blind catholic, a woman with PTSD and a black, wrongly convicted ex-con. Marvel's Netflix output is streets ahead of the movies in terms of diversity. It makes for an interesting story to have rich white guy shoulder to shoulder with the other members of the team in The Defenders, and I'm looking forward to seeing how these dynamics play out.

 

[TheVileOne]

Here is some chat about that.




http://community.comicbookresources...-s-quot-Iron-Fist-quot-To-Also-Star-Shang-Chi

We shall see, don't want to put much stock into it now. Marvel hasn't even officially announced Finn Jones.

 

[Verick808]

The Netflix leading characters so far are a blind catholic, a woman with PTSD and a black, wrongly convicted ex-con. Marvel's Netflix output is streets ahead of the movies in terms of diversity. It makes for an interesting story to have rich white guy shoulder to shoulder with the other members of the team in The Defenders, and I'm looking forward to seeing how these dynamics play out.

Marvel television in general is ahead of the movies. AoS has two Asian characters on the main cast and Skye/Daisy is pretty much right up there with Coulson as a main character.

 

[Nayt Navare]

The Netflix leading characters so far are a blind catholic, a woman with PTSD and a black, wrongly convicted ex-con. Marvel's Netflix output is streets ahead of the movies in terms of diversity. It makes for an interesting story to have rich white guy shoulder to shoulder with the other members of the team in The Defenders, and I'm looking forward to seeing how these dynamics play out.

THANK YOU. I swear, almost every one of my posts in another thread has been about exactly, EXACTLY this.

 

[Pokkle]

I don't want to put much stock into the Shang-Chi rumors until it's official. However, if they are true, it just seems like they are maybe doing it to placate the minority of critics who complained about the casting of Iron Fist. It's a consolation prize.

The whining since a couple of days had nothing to do with this, the asian american for Iron Fist articles that are here since months maybe.

They won't change the story completly in couple days.
If he is there, he is planned since a long time.

 

[Jeight]

The New Avengers have currently two black superheroes soon to be three with Black Panther, two women and an android. I don't think Marvel lacks in diversity in general.

 

[Majik1387]

The New Avengers have currently two black superheroes soon to be three with Black Panther, two women and an android. I don't think Marvel lacks in diversity in general.

And who is it that leads the Avengers?
A 3 white guys, with help from a white woman and another white guy or two.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I so hope to see the other Immortal Weapons. The new stuff added to the mythos in recent years is great material to adapt. I can't say that I liked how a lot of the stories themselves played out but I do love all the concepts especially the Book Of The Iron Fist and the previous Fists and their varying specialties and techniques. I just hope that one of the things that they did in picking Finn was a face to face with Colter and some testing of how they come across together on screen. For myself as a fan, I really want Danny and Luke to pop on screen.

It would be a shame if yet another animated version of something nailed and aspect better than in live action.

[YT]PAggszey0Po[/YT]

 

[Pokkle]

I so hope to see the other Immortal Weapons. The new stuff added to the mythos in recent years is great material to adapt. I can't say that I liked how a lot of the stories themselves played out but I do love all the concepts especially the Book Of The Iron Fist and the previous Fists and their varying specialties and techniques. I just hope that one of the things that they did in picking Finn was a face to face with Colter and some testing of how they come across together on screen. For myself as a fan, I really want Danny and Luke to pop on screen.

It would be a shame if yet another animated version of something nailed and aspect better than in live action.

[YT]PAggszey0Po[/YT]

I hope to see a lot of K'un lun, that we will probably have in flashback like Daredevil/Jessica Jones.
But I hope the next season will have arc like the tournament or the eight city.

And who is it that leads the Avengers?
A 3 white guys, with help from a white woman and another white guy or two.

And they were assemble by a black guy, Nick Fury.
I don't see the problem, Captain America is a very well-know character, so he was one of the first adapted, he was a good leader in the books, no need to change everything in an adaptation unless the change is related to the plot and not just for the sake of changing.

The mcu will continue, the leaders will change like in the book.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I so hope to see the other Immortal Weapons. The new stuff added to the mythos in recent years is great material to adapt. I can't say that I liked how a lot of the stories themselves played out but I do love all the concepts especially the Book Of The Iron Fist and the previous Fists and their varying specialties and techniques. I just hope that one of the things that they did in picking Finn was a face to face with Colter and some testing of how they come across together on screen. For myself as a fan, I really want Danny and Luke to pop on screen.

It would be a shame if yet another animated version of something nailed and aspect better than in live action.

[YT]PAggszey0Po[/YT]

To be fair, that show was great.

I'd also point out that the two could be together later, it doesn't have to be right away (it wasn't right away in the comics).

 

[Jeight]

And who is it that leads the Avengers?
A 3 white guys, with help from a white woman and another white guy or two.

Cap leads the Avengers as he has done for more than 40 years in the comics. It's one thing to ask for diversity and another to become paranoid and upset about comic book accuracy...

 

[ernesth100]

Can't wait to see the first shots of filming.

 

[metaphysician]

Maybe Shang Chi could point out that the "Iron Fist" is nothing special, because simply channelling chi through your fist in that way has been done dozens of times in hundreds of martial arts movies. Sammo Hung even did that in the final episode of Martial Law to break through a door.

That really wouldn't work, given the Iron Fist mythos. The Iron Fist really *is* special. Its the champion's super power of a mystic kung fu city, gained by fighting and beating a dragon.

 

[Nayt Navare]

And who is it that leads the Avengers?
A 3 white guys, with help from a white woman and another white guy or two.

Your math does not add up. More importantly, if you're honestly trying to put forth the notion that the Avengers are racist because they are led by Captain America, or subsequently trying to insinuate that Steve Rogers is racist for being a white male straight leader, then you are a terrible comic book fan and should feel ashamed to even post here. For someone who's own casting call in their own signature has Danny as white, you seem to truly be rallying behind the idea of Danny as an Asian American to a petulant degree. What happened, did you lose a bet? Seriously, I can find a championing diversity and justice in societyas absolutely something to be proud of, but you come off more as a whining, petulant internet keyboard warrior in these types of posts, and your Avengers math is more offensive to me than anything that could possibly be derived from Danny's casting.

 

[Nayt Navare]

To be fair, that show was great.

I'd also point out that the two could be together later, it doesn't have to be right away (it wasn't right away in the comics).

To be fair, that show WAS AMAZING AND DISNEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR ITS ENDING.

..... GDI, Zemo. You're my favorite purple puss...

To your point, they can absolutely come together. In fact, I prefer that, it's not a commonly portrayed part of their story, and is almost taken for granted.

 

[Webhead2006]

ya the whole diversity thing is such a silly thing to continue on while the tv side of things have been handling more ethnic characters more then the movies have touched on yet.