Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Web-Head]

I wouldn't be opposed to him just being shirtless...I guess but I feel like fighting crime or whatever shirtless would be a little bit silly.

On a side note, Finn still has his beard, so I wouldn't count on him wearing a mask. Something similar to the first Daredevil suit would work, honestly.

Curious to see how it all ends up playing out. It doesn't look like Colleen is getting any type of costume either.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the perception is to the viewers that actual superhero costumes in and of themselves are silly, hence why we rarely see them.

Again these shows are TV MA and catering to a very adult demographic. Netflix and Marvel want the audiences that watch shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad.

A show like Avengers Assemble is aimed at kids ages 6-14. To them, superheroes with costume and lots of colors are cool. So we rarely see the characters out of their costumes in the shows. We can see Captain Marvel in her costume, with and without her mask look. We get both. We don't just get Zemo as Baron Zemo, but we can also get Baron Zemo and the other villains masquerading as the Thunderbolts.

The Netflix shows are meant to be darker and grittier. So a bad guy can't even just show up with a costume. If there are costumes, there have to be practical reasons for all of them. For Daredevil, it was more than just about having a costume. He needed material that was both lightweight but would protect him.

But for another example. Kilgrave is Kilgrave. He's never actually Purple Man. He never gets his purple skin.

I'm not condemning the shows for this. However, I simply wish the shows could embrace the costume elements a little more instead of dangling the carrot in front of us and teasing us with it. In defense of Luke Cage, I will say it was fine because Luke Cage's classic look wouldn't have worked for a modern series. It's a dated look. In his more recent appearances he doesn't even really have much in the way of a sophisticated costume.

 

[McSir]

The hero that started off the Netflix shows to begin with wears a corny ass devil costume and nobody has complained. There's no reason that Danny's costume could undergo reasonable adaptation because: 1) I don't think anyone here is expecting him to wear slippers and lime green spandex and 2) his backstory involves him being trained in martial arts in a mystical, kung-fu version of Brigadoon.

If they're going to adhere to his story at all, which going by the teaser it seems they are, I don't think him wearing a mask is going to be the breaking point for the audience.

 

[Lencho01]

[YT]d9QVGtYEOPA[/YT]

 

[TheVileOne]

The hero that started off the Netflix shows to begin with wears a corny ass devil costume and nobody has complained. There's no reason that Danny's costume could undergo reasonable adaptation because: 1) I don't think anyone here is expecting him to wear slippers and lime green spandex and 2) his backstory involves him being trained in martial arts in a mystical, kung-fu version of Brigadoon.

If they're going to adhere to his story at all, which going by the teaser it seems they are, I don't think him wearing a mask is going to be the breaking point for the audience.

I don't disagree with you, but other people might feel differently.

 

[McSir]

I don't disagree with you, but other people might feel differently.

I suppose we shall just have to see on March 17

 

[TheVileOne]

Once again, if I'm wrong, have that plate of crow ready .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't disagree with you, but other people might feel differently.

But doesn't Daredevil destroy this argument?

 

[TheVileOne]

But doesn't Daredevil destroy this argument?

Not really. When you look at plenty of other examples across the MCU. Purple Man not being purple. Hawkeye never having a traditional mask or look. Baron Zemo becoming plain clothes ex-soldier Zemo.

Also let's not forget that they waited until the very last scene to give Daredevil his costume. Let's also not forget that the suit has all those ugly black part mixed in and it's ditched the DD symbol. OK, he's not called Daredevil yet. The press gives him that name. They tweak his costume in season 2 after he's been formally named Daredevil. Still no symbol.

We didn't get to see Punisher don the skull either until the very end too.

I mean look at the Wolverine movies. Wolverine probably has one of the coolest looks and costumes around, and we've never really gotten to see it on screen. It's always black leather that has some references to the stripes and all, but never a more traditional version of that look.

I just get the sense they aren't too interested in creating an Iron Fist costume for Danny. The mask doesn't seem that important to him. He's fighting all these dudes without his mask. He doesn't seem too concerned about keeping his identity secret. The beard makes him easy to identify as well. He's kept it all throughout filming.

So if there is a costume, chances are it won't happen until the very end if at all.

And it's the one thing about these shows that's getting a little tiresome IMHO.

 

[kguillou]

I dont think we're getting a costume until Defenders. I think both he and Luke will get some sort of uniform that will protect them in battle against the Hand. Just like DD's though they'll be very loose adaptations of their comic looks.

Marvel's not stupid, they know the fans want to see these guys suited up in all their glory but theyre taking a slow build approach and making sure the costumes make sense. Theyre showing us WHY Matt would want to go around in a devil costume, WHY Frank Castle would wear a skull insignia, why Luke or JJ would wear a costume at all etc. Believe me, its frustrating to me too, but I understand it.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think Luke or Jessica will get a costume. These Defenders characters don't seem the uniform type.

Danny's Iron Fist outfit is the ceremonial garb of Iron Fist. There is a in universe logical reason why he dresses the way he does.

 

[McSir]

The costumes have never come in before the last episode. That's standard. There's no reason to think that's not the case here.

I'm confused about all the naysaying around this series. "Oh no, they're going to cast an Asian guy!" "Oh no, they're going to cancel the whole series!" "Oh no, he's not going to have a costume!"

Let's all just take a deep breath.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Didnt finn jones confirm that there will be a costume for defenders a few months ago. Maybe he just get it early in that series.

 

[Web-Head]

Didnt finn jones confirm that there will be a costume for defenders a few months ago. Maybe he just get it early in that series.

No, Charlie Cox did. He said Daredevil and Iron Fist would be the only costumed Defenders.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not really. When you look at plenty of other examples across the MCU. Purple Man not being purple. Hawkeye never having a traditional mask or look. Baron Zemo becoming plain clothes ex-soldier Zemo.

Also let's not forget that they waited until the very last scene to give Daredevil his costume. Let's also not forget that the suit has all those ugly black part mixed in and it's ditched the DD symbol. OK, he's not called Daredevil yet. The press gives him that name. They tweak his costume in season 2 after he's been formally named Daredevil. Still no symbol.

We didn't get to see Punisher don the skull either until the very end too.

I mean look at the Wolverine movies. Wolverine probably has one of the coolest looks and costumes around, and we've never really gotten to see it on screen. It's always black leather that has some references to the stripes and all, but never a more traditional version of that look.

I just get the sense they aren't too interested in creating an Iron Fist costume for Danny. The mask doesn't seem that important to him. He's fighting all these dudes without his mask. He doesn't seem too concerned about keeping his identity secret. The beard makes him easy to identify as well. He's kept it all throughout filming.

So if there is a costume, chances are it won't happen until the very end if at all.

And it's the one thing about these shows that's getting a little tiresome IMHO.

If you are going to bring in the movies, then you can't forgot Cap, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Vision, Thor, Black Panther, Widow, or any other character that has a version of their costume from the comics. Now we have Spidey, Strange, and do you think Captain Marvel won't have the suit? Nearly all the major heroes have a version of their suit. Even Hulk gets his pants. And while they got it late, Daredevil and Punisher both had costumes, Elektra got one as well, and much earlier. We also got a full season of Matt in the suit.

 

[TheVileOne]

He still had the beard while he was filming the finale. Something tells me he ain't getting a suit.

No, Charlie Cox did. He said Daredevil and Iron Fist would be the only costumed Defenders.

I doubt he really knows for sure. He knows he has a costume. It seemed like he was more spitballing at a convention fan Q&A and all the click bait blogs take all his comments at literal face value.

 

[Dark Raven]

We haven't seen a single picture of him in anything resembling a costume at all. If he gets one, it will be in the last 10 minutes of episode 13, as per usual.

 

[fallingend44]

He still had the beard while he was filming the finale. Something tells me he ain't getting a suit.

So? Charlie Cox/Matt Murdock has had one for both seasons and he has a suit. I don't think It matters the he has a beard or not. He has suit in comics, he'll get his in the show in the last episode as per-usual with the Marvel/Netflix shows.

 

[Moridin]

We haven't seen a single picture of him in anything resembling a costume at all. If he gets one, it will be in the last 10 minutes of episode 13, as per usual.

And how many pictures have we had? Out of a 13 hour series? That line of thinking is illogical.

I doubt he really knows for sure. He knows he has a costume. It seemed like he was more spitballing at a convention fan Q&A and all the click bait blogs take all his comments at literal face value.

We're weeks away from filming, Cox will have read at least some scripts and will of course be in contact with the showrunners & producers so he'll know the general arc of the season at the very least.

Daredevil got his suit, Iron Fist will get his, assuming otherwise makes no sense what-so-ever.

 

[TheVileOne]

So? Charlie Cox/Matt Murdock has had one for both seasons and he has a suit. I don't think It matters the he has a beard or not. He has suit in comics, he'll get his in the show in the last episode as per-usual with the Marvel/Netflix shows.

Stubble and beard are not the same thing.

We're weeks away from filming, Cox will have read at least some scripts and will of course be in contact with the showrunners & producers so he'll know the general arc of the season at the very least.

Daredevil got his suit, Iron Fist will get his, assuming otherwise makes no sense what-so-ever.

Brett Dalton didn't know he was turning to Hydra until he got his script right before they shot the episode. How do you know he intimately knows that Iron Fist has a costume?

Simone Missick didn't know what was happening to her arm right up until she got the script.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He still had the beard while he was filming the finale. Something tells me he ain't getting a suit.

That is a different conversation. You went with they are ashamed of the costumes, brought up the movies, and then forgot that Captain America wears a new one every film. That Iron Man collects suits like us fans collect action figures. That they couldn't wait to show Black Panther and Spidey in their suits. That they went all the way with Dr. Strange, who is probably the best comparison here. Then there is of course the 3 major heroes on Daredevil, all with suits.

If they are ashamed of them, why do the vast majority have them and why do they make a big deal out of their reveal?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Brett Dalton didn't know he was turning to Hydra until he got his script right before they shot the episode. How do you know he intimately knows that Iron Fist has a costume?

Simone Missick didn't know what was happening to her arm right up until she got the script.

Here is the obvious answer. Finn told Charlie he has a suit. Because these actors talk.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Danny's Iron Fist outfit is the ceremonial garb of Iron Fist. There is a in universe logical reason why he dresses the way he does.

Yeah, there's a good reason for it and it's possible to make it subtly in a way that doesn't look weird.

The costumes have never come in before the last episode. That's standard. There's no reason to think that's not the case here.

It's a sample size of one so I wouldn't say that so categorically.

Regarding photos, they kept most photos under wraps. If the costume was filmed indoors, it's possible it just didn't leak.

 

[fallingend44]

Stubble and beard are not the same thing

Both facial hair tho lol.

 

[Verick808]

I don't see how beard and mask are mutually exclusive. I'd say the creators know we want a costume as well. They bypassed it on JJ and Luke Cage because they don't really have costumes but Iron Fist does.