Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

I want my Luke/Danny Bromance and Danny/Misty together.

 

[chamber-music]

I can see Cage being a big brother type figure to Danny. I think Cage and Danny will bond over Kung Fu movies and Hip Hop music.

He was far more along the lines of Bendis' Luke Cage than 70s Luke Cage.

Compare that to characters like Whiplash and Valkyrie who are effectively In Name Only or how major players like Quicksilver, Ben Urich and Rafe Scarfe were all killed off early on. Marvel change things from the comics and either change characters up entirely or they get rid of characters who still have arcs to explore.

Bendis and Seventies Cage have an edge that Colter's Cage doesn't quite have in my opinion.

Cage can be a intimidating figure to criminals in the comics and is known for trash talking.

I don't have a problem with Colter's take. I understand why he wants to portray the character the way he does.

 

[Lencho01]

If they don't forge that great friendship and relationship dynamic, I will be more sad.

I want my Luke/Danny Bromance and Danny/Misty together.

I just have this feeling it might not happen.

 

[Dark Raven]

What if they have no chemistry at all together and two other people do? Are they going to force the Cage/ Rand bromance just for the sake of it when clearly it might not work and if they don't play off each other at all?

 

[Dasher10]

I'm still quite excited to watch it, despite what I've been hearing. Mostly because the critiques I've heard from people on the previous Marvel shows were never things that bothered me.

I will say this though, Iron Fist seemed to have an uphill battle from the jump. Before anyone was even cast, the heat and anger and criticism was already being thrown at it. I mean, it felt like there were alot of things working against it before it even came together. So, I'm eager to watch it for myself and see what's what.

If not for anything, we'll finally get The Defenders.

People were angry about Benedict Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange for the same reasons as they were about Finn Jones as Daniel Rand. The difference is that Doctor Strange actually worked since Cumberbatch owned the role. Jones by all accounts portrays the character correctly but the first four episodes of Iron Fist are allegedly painful to watch while Doctor Strange was Harry Potter on LSD.

Keep in mind that I didn't like the LMD arc on AOS as much as a lot of other people did so now I'm wondering if the MCU is running out of steam this year and that makes me worried about Guardians 2, Spider-Man, Defenders, Thor 3 and Punisher.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want my Luke/Danny Bromance and Danny/Misty together.

How are Danny and Colleen together?

 

[Darepool]

People were angry about Benedict Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange for the same reasons as they were about Finn Jones as Daniel Rand. The difference is that Doctor Strange actually worked since Cumberbatch owned the role. Jones by all accounts portrays the character correctly but the first four episodes of Iron Fist are allegedly painful to watch while Doctor Strange was Harry Potter on LSD.

Keep in mind that I didn't like the LMD arc on AOS as much as a lot of other people did so now I'm wondering if the MCU is running out of steam this year and that makes me worried about Guardians 2, Spider-Man, Defenders, Thor 3 and Punisher.

I'm wondering if Rihanna is a singer or an actress...? Time will tell I guess.

 

[guyisnotcool]

I was worried that Iron Fist was too fanatical for Marvel Netflix. But now I wonder if they if it was to martial artsy for them too.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, the same things I'd heard about Strange were more or less equal with Iron Fist, although for some reason it seemed to start earlier with Iron Fist, with demands over casting. Strange, that stuff happened after we started seeing footage, and got about as aggressive as I saw it after the first trailer featuring Swinton.

I mean, Cumberbatch seems like he was born to play Strange. Can't say the same for Jones. Though, I've doubted MARVEL's casting every step of the way with the Netflix shows, and I've been proven wrong every time.

I think there's a case to be made that Marvel might be running out of steam, but that's why opening up to other properties is so important. The Punisher, no matter what, is probably going to be more different than the rest. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, even having the trippy, LSD like, experience of Strange can all be a huge benefit in changing things up.

Also, please God give me a Moon Knight series on Netflix.

Yeah, I haven't been digging the LMD arc on AOS. I ****ing loved the Ghost Rider arc, though. The LMD arc has been a bit of slog for me, honestly.

 

[Dark Raven]

With Iron Fist they didn't change things up enough. If they're just going for more of the same serious, gritty Netflix tone, then that's probably why they wrote themselves into a corner rather than embracing the fantastical tone and martial arts trappings, along with the costume.

 

[Dasher10]

Yeah, the same things I'd heard about Strange were more or less equal with Iron Fist, although for some reason it seemed to start earlier with Iron Fist, with demands over casting. Strange, that stuff happened after we started seeing footage, and got about as aggressive as I saw it after the first trailer featuring Swinton.

I mean, Cumberbatch seems like he was born to play Strange. Can't say the same for Jones. Though, I've doubted MARVEL's casting every step of the way with the Netflix shows, and I've been proven wrong every time.

I think there's a case to be made that Marvel might be running out of steam, but that's why opening up to other properties is so important. The Punisher, no matter what, is probably going to be more different than the rest. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, even having the trippy, LSD like, experience of Strange can all be a huge benefit in changing things up.

Yeah, I haven't been digging the LMD arc on AOS. I ****ing loved the Ghost Rider arc, though. The LMD arc has been a bit of slog for me, honestly.

Agreed. Next up is the third AOS arc and GOTG2. Considering that there are so many dangling plotlines right now, leaving them hanging is a real fear of mine. Is The Superior Doctor Sun now? What's up with Vijay Nadeer's second terrigenisis? Why plug Dr. Radcliffe into the machine if he's dead? Like, if that stuff doesn't get addressed, then what happens next? And with GOTG2, comedy sequels usually don't fare well so I'm concerned that that'll flop at the box office.

 

[guyisnotcool]

With Iron Fist they didn't change things up enough. If they're just going for more of the same serious, gritty Netflix tone, then that's probably why they wrote themselves into a corner rather than embracing the fantastical tone and martial arts trappings, along with the costume.

Shame about that. Do think Marvel was afraid people wouldn't take him serious?

 

[BatsDC]

And with GOTG2, comedy sequels usually don't fare well so I'm concerned that that'll flop at the box office.

You're joking, right? Guardians is going to be huge.

 

[RockSP]

The Netflix shows don't have the budget to give Iron Fist the treatment he (IMO) deserves. I mean even his fist glow looks cheap as hell.

I remember years ago some people were saying they should do a Cage movie and an Iron Fist movie and then do a Power Man & Iron Fist movie as the sequel to both. I still think this would've been the better route. That would eliminate the boring parts that Iron Fist supposedly has (and that Luke Cage had), and give these properties the f/x budgets they need.

 

[Dark Raven]

Even if his fist glow didn't look that great, at least if the show moved along quicker and had more action which was better choreographed, and if he had a costume, it would've made up for the fist. People want to see good martial arts. While the fist is important, it's only important within the context of the fighting. If it's the main focus and these other elements aren't very strong, then he's just a guy who can punch hard.

 

[Dasher10]

You're joking, right? Guardians is going to be huge.

I hope so. I'm just worried that critics will now be biased against Marvel going forward after some minor missteps and be harsher on GOTG2 than they really should be.

 

[The Overlord]

Im trying to catch up with all this. Im shocked that this is being so panned, this seems like an easy homerun. This is basically Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and much better fight choreographers. Whats the big thing that seems to be bringing this down?

But isn't the problem with the show's premise is its too similar to other heroes like Arrow, Batman, Iron Man, etc.

We seen the rich entitled guy suffer a loss and rebound from it and give their life a new purpose, what does Iron Fist bring to the table?

I think the fantastic nature of the character is the only real hook that character has and they don't do anything with it on this show.

Daredevil was a fantastic crime noir story that features a blind character, Jessica Jones was about rape and victimization and overcoming it, Luke Cage told super hero stories from a modern African-American prospective, Iron Fist doesn't offer as much, especially if you take out the fantastic elements.

I think maybe if they just made a Netflix movie it would have been better, put all the money into 2 hours rather then 13 and spend it on awesome action sequences.

Maybe they should just pair up Luke Cage with Iron Fist, because Danny is having trouble maintaining a solo show.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hope so. I'm just worried that critics will now be biased against Marvel going forward after some minor missteps and be harsher on GOTG2 than they really should be.

You are the definition of overreacting right now.

 

[Dark Raven]

But isn't the problem with the show's premise is its too similar to other heroes like Arrow, Batman, Iron Man, etc.

We seen the rich entitled guy suffer a loss and rebound from it and give their life a new purpose, what does Iron Fist bring to the table?

I think the fantastic nature of the character is the only real hook that character has and they don't do anything with it on this show.

Daredevil was a fantastic crime noir story that features a blind character, Jessica Jones was about rape and victimization and overcoming it, Luke Cage told super hero stories from a modern African-American prospective, Iron Fist doesn't offer as much, especially if you take out the fantastic elements.

I think maybe if they just made a Netflix movie it would have been better, put all the money into 2 hours rather then 13 and spend it on awesome action sequences.

Maybe they should just pair up Luke Cage with Iron Fist, because Danny is having trouble maintaining a solo show.

Maybe that's their only option: to have Fist as a supporting character in Luke Cage.

They could recast. They could remark: "you look completely different without your beard, almost like a different person!"

He could reply that he feels like a new man.

Get someone who is more charismatic, and get a better choreographer.

 

[Dasher10]

Maybe that's their only option: to have Fist as a supporting character in Luke Cage.

They could recast. They could remark: "you look completely different without your beard, almost like a different person!"

He could reply that he feels like a new man.

Get someone who is more charismatic, and get a better choreographer.

I've heard that Jones isn't the problem, it's the script.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

On the realism front, watch that Colleen video. She rushes for her katana before heading out. In the realms of realism, why isn't she reaching for a gun?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

My problem is that Scott Buck and the staff couldn't get the Iron Fist concept to gel with the whole grounded, gritty realism thing. They wouldn't even let him wear a costume despite the fact that you know, Danny Rand is a public billionaire corporate heir and figure, and he would probably want to keep his street vigilante ties private.

What's weird is all the other aspects of the Iron Fist concept, aside from the defeating a dragon, could/have been pulled off on the small screen in other examples

Focusing so heavily on the corporate billionaire thing is bizarre.

All that work setting up the Hand in DD just to put it in a holding pattern until the Defenders is bizarre.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why do they think we're remotely interested in seeing the corporate side of things?

Imagine an Iron Man movie where he just attends board meetings and creates a few designs on his computer.

Civil War should've just been about the Avengers reading over the Accords and going through the small print.

 

[Dasher10]

To be fair, they did have to explore the side of Danny that's an executive since it's a TV show. The problem was that Netflix gave Marvel a limited budget to work with and Marvel decided to waste it all on the second half and penny pinch where they could for the first four episodes where they aren't working their way up to the more fantastic stuff.

Keep in mind that when it comes to the Marvel Netflix series, the stories all have pacing problems. Daredevil bit off more than it could chew and wound up resolving the Punisher and Hand storylines separately. Jessica Jones didn't give itself enough of a story and wound up feeling an episode or two too long. Luke Cage wound up revealing things in flashbacks only when they were relevant to the story being told instead of showing them earlier when they would have been more impactful and the whole season felt a bit rushed as a result. By only offering the first six episodes to critics despite knowing full well that the series was a slow burn, Marvel Studios really went out of their way to sabotage their Metacritic score and give themselves their first true critical failure.

I think that Thor 2 was atrocious despite the fact that critics liked it. I also find the first 11 episodes of Agents of SHIELD to be so boring that they're unwatchable. I couldn't get past the first two episodes and then went back to binge watch when I heard that Ghost Rider was coming and getting through Season 1 was painful and I kept finding myself websurfing on other tabs while the show was still playing. But critics somehow still liked both which begs the question of just how boring are the first four episodes of Iron Fist? Like, how can this possibly be a worse start than Agents of SHIELD had?

 

[UltimatePyro9]

On the realism front, watch that Colleen video. She rushes for her katana before heading out. In the realms of realism, why isn't she reaching for a gun?

Because katanas are kewl!!!