Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

What's worst case scenario? Iron Fist doesn't get a second season? Or he does get a second season and gets replaced by an Asian character because of all the complaining?

Ideally, Defenders will make improvements to the character and give us more of what we want to see.

 

[Dasher10]

What's worst case scenario? Iron Fist doesn't get a second season? Or he does get a second season and gets replaced by an Asian character because of all the complaining?

Ideally, Defenders will make improvements to the character and give us more of what we want to see.

No second season and Marvel forget he exists after Defenders hits. No Mr. Xao, Steel Serpent or Master Khan as antagonists in the MCU.

 

[The Overlord]

Maybe that's their only option: to have Fist as a supporting character in Luke Cage.

They could recast. They could remark: "you look completely different without your beard, almost like a different person!"

He could reply that he feels like a new man.

Get someone who is more charismatic, and get a better choreographer.

I don't want them to recast, I kinda hate when when they do that. I think Jones could work better with a new directior and better writing.

I thought Luke Cage was the weakest Netflix show till it seems Iron Fist came along.

I think Luke Cage was best when it dealt with issues facing the African-American community, I am not sure how Iron Fist would add to that. I would not want Luke Cage to become just a generic super hero show, so I think Iron Fist would have to woven carefully to fit in with the Luke Cage show.

No second season and Marvel forget he exists after Defenders hits. No Mr. Xao, Steel Serpent or Master Khan as antagonists in the MCU.

I think Master Khan would be a hard sell nowdays.

 

[Panacea]

I take these reviews with a pinch of salt for the moment based purely on the political aspect of it. If social justice warriors can get Ghostbusters a fresh rating on RT then they can overstate the problems with Iron Fist too. Also, I'm pretty sure they only have access to the first six episodes don't they?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I take these reviews with a pinch of salt for the moment based purely on the political aspect of it. If social justice warriors can get Ghostbusters a fresh rating on RT then they can overstate the problems with Iron Fist too. Also, I'm pretty sure they only have access to the first six episodes don't they?

Dr. Strange has a fresh rating, too. So it's hard to chalk this up to SJW. Both are Marvel properties with Asian representation problems.

 

[Darkraid]

Can we give this a chance and watch all 13 episodes before saying that the show is a failure? Maybe it gets better after episode 5.

 

[The Overlord]

I take these reviews with a pinch of salt based purely on the political aspect of it. If social justice warriors can get Ghostbusters a fresh rating on RT then they can overstate the problems with Iron Fist too. Also, I'm pretty sure they only have access to the first six episodes don't they?

I don't think social justice warriors are the reason people are complaining about the show being boring, just throwing that term around does not negate all criticism.

I think with Iron Fist it was a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, because some people would complain about the show putting Asians in stereotypical roles, so the casting of Finn Jones didn't bother me.

I think Iron Fist is a bit of dated concept, but I could have rolled with it, if it has a lot of fun kung fu action, but this show is too concerned with board meetings.

Maybe this show builds to an exciting conclusion, but 6 dull episodes is a row is inexcusable. I think the gritty realistic tone that served DD, Cage and Jessica Jones well does not work for Iron Fist.

I think Iron Fist always had the deck stacked against it, from complaints casting and racism to trying to do something fantastic on a TV budget to having a character concept that is too similar to other heroes to having less of a hook then the other Netflix series, I am not surprised this show is the weakest of the bunch.

 

[Darepool]

Can we give this a chance and watch all 13 episodes before saying that the show is a failure? Maybe it gets better after episode 5.

I haven't given up on it, I think there will definitely be some strong material in the show. It just obvious that Marvel TV needlessly ran from source elements that make the character great. Analysis Paralysis strikes again.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just imagine an executive returning home from work on a Friday after a week of endless board meetings just wanting to relax, not have to see anyone but just binge watching some Iron Fist to escape and hoping for some action... only to have to sit through more hours of board meetings.

 

[Mike Murdock]

33% score on Metacritic. That's not good. I'd honestly hate to be Jeph Loeb right now.

Isn't it a little absurd to rate a show based on less than half the episodes? Particularly metacritic, which weights the scores. So if the first six episodes are a D, but the remainder brings it up even to a C, it would get a higher score.

No matter what, this is going to screw up my viewing habits since it's usually about three or four episodes I watch the first night and eagerly anticipate resuming the next morning. I may be less hyped.

 

[kguillou]

Guys, lets get some perspective here, Fuller House, which was univerally crushed by critics is on its way to its third season. Iron Fist, a Marvel branded series, will be fine lol

 

[McSir]

I'm not surprised that the quality is lacking, but I am a bit surprised that the hate is this strong. Some of these reviews are quite savage. I think there's a pretty real chance of this staying at 0% on RT.

However, if the show's boring, it's boring. On the hot topic of cultural appropriation though: first of all, Danny has been in K'un L'un longer than he was in America so, really, that IS his culture regardless of race. Secondly, I think it's a pretty racist assumption to equate actual Asian culture with fortune cookie aphorisms and a few round house kicks, like the critics seems to be doing.

 

[TheVileOne]

Isn't it a little absurd to rate a show based on less than half the episodes? Particularly metacritic, which weights the scores. So if the first six episodes are a D, but the remainder brings it up even to a C, it would get a higher score.

No matter what, this is going to screw up my viewing habits since it's usually about three or four episodes I watch the first night and eagerly anticipate resuming the next morning. I may be less hyped.

Look even earlier before the internet was prevalent, EW would review shows and they'd probably base those reviews on the first one or two episodes.

 

[Darkraid]

I have a feeling that the show will get better in the second half. Just like AOS season 1.

 

[TheVileOne]

Can we give this a chance and watch all 13 episodes before saying that the show is a failure? Maybe it gets better after episode 5.

Yes. But all the previous Marvel Netflix shows had strong reviews out the gate. Here's that not the case.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Look even earlier before the internet was prevalent, EW would review shows and they'd probably base those reviews on the first one or two episodes.

I'm fine with reviews being based on whatever they've seen as long as they make that clear to the reader in the review. An aggregate rating system is trickier, though, because it means it'll eventually be combining ratings that aren't measuring the same thing.

I'm not surprised that the quality is lacking, but I am a bit surprised that the hate is this strong. Some of these reviews are quite savage. I think there's a pretty real chance of this staying at 0% on RT.

I've seen several positive reviews (even a 7.5 out of 10 would qualify on Rotten Tomatoes), so a 0% is very unlikely.

 

[McSir]

Yes. But all the previous Marvel Netflix shows had strong reviews out the gate. Here's that not the case.

Which is weird, because I know a lot of people thought Luke Cage had pacing issues at the start too, which seems to be the main complaint for this series. The first three episodes of Cage are glacially slow.

 

[Darkraid]

Which is weird, because I know a lot of people thought Luke Cage had pacing issues at the start too, which seems to be the main complaint for this series. The first three episodes of Cage are glacially slow.

It was slow, but it was interesting. IF's first few episodes are slow and not at all interesting. (I have gathered this from different reviewers.)

They need to get an Asian showrunner for Season 2.

 

[McSir]

It was slow, but it was interesting. IF's first few episodes are slow and not at all interesting. (I have gathered this from different reviewers.)

They need to get an Asian showrunner for Season 2.

It wasn't uninteresting, but it felt like a lot of wheel-spinning before finally getting into drive. However, multiple episodes of sitting in a boardroom doesn't sound particularly riveting.

And why? Not every Asian person has a connection to Asian spiritualism and martial arts. The show presents an Asian culture that's fictional. Come on, now. They need to get a show runner with a vision and passion for the project, someone who isn't clearly a hired gun, otherwise they shouldn't make a second season.

 

[roach]

Iron Fist:

Spoiler

I talked to one of my minions who has seen the full series. He says the first six are very rough but it comes together better in the back half.

 

[Slick]

I hope that's true.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I still get the SJW focus on race with all of this. When things are the other way around, nobody thinks twice. For example: There is a live action Full Metal Alchemist movie in the works and Edward Elric, a character who is essentially German, is being played by a Japanese actor and nobody cares.

 

[MadVillainy]

What's worst case scenario? Iron Fist doesn't get a second season? Or he does get a second season and gets replaced by an Asian character because of all the complaining?

Ideally, Defenders will make improvements to the character and give us more of what we want to see.

Maybe he gets folded into Luke Cage.

 

[Darkraid]

Iron Fist:

Spoiler

I talked to one of my minions who has seen the full series. He says the first six are very rough but it comes together better in the back half.

Sweet. I think this generation has to be a little more patient before handing out judgement.

But to be fair reviewers were given the first 6 episodes.

I for one have not give up hope.

Netflix though suffers from same problems.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yes. Also, in the show, Luke Cage grew up in Atlanta, Georgia instead of like a north inner city.

I thought it was Savannah.