Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

I would settle for a Union Jack show. Joey Chapman going around kicking ass on espionage missions. Spitfire could be his boss and they could do flashbacks to the Falsworth families legacy as Union Jack/Baron Blood.

There have been some Jewish characters in the MCU. More are on the way.

Doc Sampson is Jewish. Gert from The Runawys is Jewish. Mircochip from The Punisher is also Jewish.

That character in Incredible Hulk was never once called Leonard Samson. And he's never been seen since. He doesn't count.

Runaways hasn't debuted yet. Microchip in Punisher hasn't debuted yet either, and he's not a superhero. Plus, is the character still going to be even Jewish in the series?

I believe Doctor Abraham Erskine and Doctor Noah Burstein were Jewish.

Most of Marvels well known Jewish superheroes like Kitty Pryde, Legion, Magneto and the Thing are at Fox.

Erskine if he was Jewish was a one off supporting character. Who was Dr. Burstein? I'm talking about legit MCU heroes. There are no Jewish MCU heroes.

 

[RaidenX]

I like what I'm seeing

 

[Mike Murdock]

Burstein is the scientist from Luke Cage.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't think Danny being a rich white guy is the problem, Batman and Iron Man are rich white guys and people like those characters a lot.

Dr. Strange had some contraversal casting, but people forgave that film because it was an entertaining product, I think the same thing would have happened to Iron Fist if that show was good.

Really Iron Fist's problem is its dull apparently and that is far bigger crime then any of this SJW stuff people are brining up here.

I am fairly liberal, but I am willing to leave my politics aside with entertainment and enjoy something that I may not agree with or may be problematic, if it is entertaining. But if its boring, complaints like the ones mentioned get amplified, because there is nothing entertaining to focus on instead.

 

[Flint Marko]

Anytime someone speaks in such general, vague swaths about why a large group of people ("fans","audiences", "critics") didn't respond well to something, they should avoid passing the blame off on something or someone else. Jones can't flat out say "we made a bad show" the week of it's release, but he can just keep it simple and say "we hope the fans like it" or something along those lines and not blame it on the current socio-political climate. I'll admit that his remarks do carry some weight as demonstrated by that article on the last page, but not enough to make it true and worth verbalizing.

 

[Heretic]

I like what I'm seeing

Look at that moron sneak up on her like he's about to snatch her purse...and he still seems completely baffled that just announcing his name doesn't clear everything up all on its own.

 

[Darepool]

 

[Darkraid]

Haven't read the article yet, so I could be wrong, but this is the stupidest f***ing title/basis for an article I've ever read regarding superheroes

"'Iron Fist' Is Too Rich And White For Me to Give A S**t"
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/03/iron-fist-is-too-rich-and-white

I give up.

 

[terry78]

If I dismissed people on being rich and white I pretty much wouldn't like any actors or people in the IT industry.

 

[rogue trooper]

Jessica Henwick defends Finn Jones:

http://www.cbr.com/iron-fist-jessic...Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm Latino, and from New York. I think representation matters, but I also think the source material is important. For the longest time, we had horrible comic book movies. Pretty bad shows, too. And usually it was because they didn't give a **** about the source material. BvS probably would have been better if they'd stuck closer to the source material. Maybe. I don't know, that movie was pretty bad.

I think the casting controversy with Iron Fist was just ****ed up. I mean, Danny is a white dude. That's kind of the beginning and the end of it for me. I'd be okay if they tried changing it, but them not...I don't know, I have too much respect for the comic book medium to rail against them sticking to it.

My point about the range widening, I mean it's kind of already happening really. It sounds like Marvel's going to do a Black Widow film at some point. We're getting a Black Panther movie. I think a War Machine movie is viable. We're supposed to be getting a Captain Marvel movie, too. The only reason we're getting those is because the long term plan has, so far, been successful. If they continue to be successful, and don't want to reboot Iron Man or Captain America (for example), refilling those roles with different characters as it's also happened in the comics, becomes a possibility.

If Marvel's Spider-Man movies are successful enough, for long enough, it could happen too. I mean, this is uncharted waters. But, we're already past the first decade of Marvel films. Iron Man came out in 2008. I don't know if RDJ can go another decade. Or two? What'll happen if we get to 2025 or 2026? I think Marvel will still want to make one, even if we're in 2030. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong.

It's a good problem to have, though. I mean, anybody want to ask DC Films? They seem to still be stuck in Phase One. And I'm a DC guy. The only thing that let's me sleep at night is the Dark Knight trilogy being on my bookshelf.

 

[samsnee]

The first trailer made this show look boring. A lead character with no charisma doesn't help. He's not boring because he's a rich white guy. He's boring because he has no personality.

 

[Web-Head]

I like what I'm seeing

I enjoyed both clips released today

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Look at that moron sneak up on her like he's about to snatch her purse...and he still seems completely baffled that just announcing his name doesn't clear everything up all on its own.

Yeah, can't believe a guy who's been cut off from this word since he was kid would do something stupid/moronic. Ugh. Just terrible.

I gotta say there was plenty one could nitpick/criticize with Matt, Luke and Jessica but somehow, folks still managed to enjoy them and their shows. I can already tell this show is going to be nitpicked to death. How exciting!

 

[Slick]

I like what I'm seeing

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Pretty cool clips. I'm still looking forward to this show.**** the reviews. Except that VileOne review I trust him way more then most of the reviews I read.

 

[Surfer]

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Pretty cool clips. I'm still looking forward to this show.**** the reviews. Except that VileOne review I trust him way more then most of the reviews I read.

Awesome, still hyped to see this despite all the negative buzz.

Surfer

 

[The Overlord]

I think if Danny was Asian and the show was still boring, the show would still be boring and that is what is important here.

I think this SWJ stuff is overblown, the problem with the show is it seems to be dull.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

I think if Danny was Asian and the show was still boring, the show would still be boring and that is what is important here.

I think this SWJ stuff is overblown, the problem with the show is it seems to be dull.

If Danny were Asian, we would have seen little to no premature bashing of the show and the critics likely wouldn't have been nearly as harsh. I am of the opinion that the latter were very much influenced by the former. And IF may turn out to be a mediocre show, at best, (DD, LC, JJ were viewed as dull/boring by some people) but no one can convince me that all the controversy with this show hasn't had an impact on how some people perceive or judge it.

 

[Surfer]

If Danny were Asian, we would have seen little to no premature bashing of the show and the critics likely wouldn't have been nearly as harsh. I am of the opinion that the latter were very much influenced by the former. And IF may turn out to be a mediocre show, at best, (DD, LC, JJ were viewed as dull/boring by some people) but no one can convince me that all the controversy with this show hasn't had an impact on how some people perceive or judge it.

Also, and I am not saying this is true of all reviewers, but I sometimes feel like if a show or movie is being bashed that other reviewers love to jump on the bandwagon and join in on the hate.

Surfer

 

[Heretic]

Yeah, can't believe a guy who's been cut off from this word since he was kid would do something stupid/moronic. Ugh. Just terrible.

I gotta say there was plenty one could nitpick/criticize with Matt, Luke and Jessica but somehow, folks still managed to enjoy them and their shows. I can already tell this show is going to be nitpicked to death. How exciting![/QUOTE

He was cut off from New York...he was still alive and theoretically getting some kind of education and we should assume developing some sort of common sense.

If everyone thinks you're dead and you show up a decade later sneaking up on people like a criminal...or walking into the family business...and say "Hey, it's me...whats up?" then you are stupid. And then...as we see in the trailer...when they did not believe him (and they have no reason to as far as we can tell), he assaulted innocent employees so he could get upstairs anyway (though I admit that context may alter that scene in the actual episode).

I don't consider that nitpicking.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

He was cut off from New York...he was still alive and theoretically getting some kind of education and we should assume developing some sort of common sense.

If everyone thinks you're dead and you show up a decade later sneaking up on people like a criminal...or walking into the family business...and say "Hey, it's me...whats up?" then you are stupid. And then...as we see in the trailer...when they did not believe him (and they have no reason to as far as we can tell), he assaulted innocent employees so he could get upstairs anyway (though I admit that context may alter that scene in the actual episode).

I don't consider that nitpicking.

LOL It's definitely nitpicking. It's akin to making a huge deal out of Matt being a hypocrite (and he can be a raging hypocrite). But I think most people see it merely as a character flaw that makes sense for the character... same with Danny's naivete. The fact that he may act without thinking of the consequences doesn't make him stupid, it simply means he doesn't yet have enough "real world" experience. Pretty much explains why he walks into Rand looking homeless, no shoes, expecting to be accepted with open arms. That's, again, naivete. But I guess if you've already decided to dislike the character/show, you'd chalk it up to him being stupid.

 

[Heretic]

LOL It's definitely nitpicking. It's akin to making a huge deal out of Matt being a hypocrite (and he can be a raging hypocrite). But I think most people see it merely as a character flaw that makes sense for the character... same with Danny's naivete. The fact that he may act without thinking of the consequences doesn't make him stupid, it simply means he doesn't yet have enough "real world" experience. Pretty much explains why he walks into Rand looking homeless, no shoes, expecting to be accepted with open arms. That's, again, naivete. But I guess if you've already decided to dislike the character/show, you'd chalk it up to him being stupid.

I actually HAVEN'T decided about the show itself, because I haven't seen it. I've made early opinions based on clips and trailers. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.

I'm a Marvel fan...I watch everything in the MCU. But I don't owe it to Marvel to enjoy everything they do. It is their responsibility to entertain us. I'm not one to convince myself that something is awesome just because it exists.

The Danny Rand you are describing is dangerously unqualified to be a superhero. We'll see if he actually learns anything and has a growth arc. According to the reviews, halfway through the season he is still an insultingly bad character that works to downgrade the other, stronger characters around him.

 

[Vartha]

Artist Larry Hama says he likes what he sees!
https://mbasic.facebook.com/story.p...2:0:1491029999:-8872050669438175515&__tn__=*s

Just saw a screening of Iron Fist. Went totally expecting to hate it, and it won me over. Carol, who absolutely hates super-hero stuff loved it, and she didn't even nit-pick over the effects, color and other post stuff that is her bailiwick. Some critics said it was slow, but what they are doing is nailing down the characters, and they are fascinating. And no, I'm not bothered that Iron Fist is white since that is what he was in the comics when I was drawing it. I'd be pissed if they cast a white guy as Lei Kung the Thunderere, tho.

 

[RaidenX]

Screw Critics Man.... Judge by yourself

 

[3dman27]

Screw Critics Man.... Judge by yourself

i'm in agreement with judging for yourself