Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 4

[2kt09]

I don't know, I feel like he's a lot more consistent in the episodes post-3. Its mainly those first couple eps where he seems to be directed to "Act like your a crazy dude". Past that, he's naive and goofy, but not seemingly incoherent.

He's not goofy when the Hand arc really gets going.
He is naive, though, but to a really dumb extent even for a guy who's trying to readjust after so long.

 

[The Infernal]

Quick reaction after watching. Loved the series overall. Definitely has some interesting twists and turns, but I have some issues with how they chose to define The Hand in the series contrasted with how they were in Daredevil. Plus some of the decisions Danny makes early on are puzzling.

I thought Finn was good as Danny and the actress who portrayed Gao was great. Glad they kept her throughout.

Ward is the MVP of this season by far

love that guy

Actually thought he did quite well. He had one of the more interesting character arcs. He went from being an antagonist to sympathetic to kinda likeable by the end. I think his character got better the more he unraveled.

 

[Nathan]

Considering he has been trained for the past 15 years to basically kill anyone who threatens the safety of K'un-Lun and terminate members of the Hand with extreme prejudice, that whole innocent and naive shtick really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Quick reaction after watching. Loved the series overall. Definitely has some interesting twists and turns, but I have some issues with how they chose to define The Hand in the series contrasted with how they were in Daredevil. Plus some of the decisions Danny makes early on are puzzling.

I thought Finn was good as Danny and the actress who portrayed Gao was great. Glad they kept her throughout.



Actually thought he did quite well. He had one of the more interesting character arcs. He went from being an antagonist to sympathetic to kinda likeable by the end. I think his character got better the more he unraveled.

I liked what they did. It showed us that there was a definite power struggle in the Hand, and it was interesting.

 

[The Infernal]

Considering he has been trained for the past 15 years to basically kill anyone who threatens the safety of K'un-Lun and terminate members of the Hand with extreme prejudice, that whole innocent and naive shtick really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I dunno. I can buy innocence and naivety from Danny (to an extent). Raised like a monk and only ged fairytales about The Hand, never seeing the real thing. Though I do think some decisions go beyond that (not questioning Harold, acting like Ward's attempts to kill him never happened). It's not treated consistent with the plot at times, but I feel the character trait is appropriate.

 

[legendkillin]

I liked what they did. It showed us that there was a definite power struggle in the Hand, and it was interesting.

Sort of the same thing with Hydra. They have many divisions with different motives among the leaders. I didn't think the Hand was that interesting since we have seen it before.

 

[The Infernal]

I liked what they did. It showed us that there was a definite power struggle in the Hand, and it was interesting.

Oh I didn't mean the factions. Not exactly. I liked the conflict between factions. It's just that[BLACKOUT] I wasn't aware Gao was Hand until this series. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I got the impression from Daredevil season 1 that Gao was seperate to the Hand. I thought of her more of a Triad like crime boss from Kun Lun whereas The Hand were like Ninja Yakuzas. Which makes me wonder if The Hand from Daredevil were seperate from Gao then would they be the main faction of The Hand and Bokudo's be the splinter faction or were they just part of the Gao faction?

Plus then there is the case of Claire uncovering The Hand raising the dead and her not mentioning this to Danny or anyone. That and undead ninjas seemed to be commonplace in Daredevil where here we're told only a few are chosen (like Harold). [/BLACKOUT]

 

[jihado86]

Watched the 13 episodes, well, not a bad show at all, the critics were harsh, it's not a great show but it remains miles better than all the comic books crap at CW TV.

BUT, this is the weakest show in Marvel/Netflix universe.

For me, I still put Jessica Jones as the best of them all. Consistent and solid from the beginning to the end, while Daredevil in the 2 seasons is great but it turns to **** whenever the Hand shows up, I hate how the Hand's story arc was written in both series, it really annoyed the **** out of me.
Luke Cage is good but Diamondback somehow ruined the 2nd half.

Please Netflix/Marvel, no more Hand unless you write something great about them.

 

[legendkillin]

Watched the 13 episodes, well, not a bad show at all, the critics were harsh, it's not a great show but it remains miles better than all the comic books crap at CW TV.

BUT, this is the weakest show in Marvel/Netflix universe.

For me, I still put Jessica Jones as the best of them all. Consistent and solid from the beginning to the end, while Daredevil in the 2 seasons is great but it turns to **** whenever the Hand shows up, I hate how the Hand's story arc was written in both series, it really annoyed the **** out of me.
Luke Cage is good but Diamondback somehow ruined the 2nd half.

Please Netflix/Marvel, no more Hand unless you write something great about them.

I hope the Defenders has the last Hand storyline. We are going to get one more since Elektra is around. I don't like the Hand either they are all over the place and bland. Seems like how AoS had Hydra involved in everything at first.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm guessing Sigourney Weaver is The Hand's ultimate leader.

 

[legendkillin]

I'm guessing Sigourney Weaver is The Hand's ultimate leader.

I hope not.

No way in hell is she going to fight the defenders. Not sure if I want another suit villain as the main bad. I want to see the Defenders or IF fight a physical threat and psychological threat.

 

[roach]

Finished it this morning and I'll add my voice to the chorus of not bad but not good either...meh.

Spoiler

Things kind of happen and sometime with no rhyme or reason. Danny's friend and make throwing stars out of aluminum foil and throw them hard enough to pierce metal and that never get seen again.
The Hand is inconsistent. Are they ninjas or triad or what? Did they like the Foot Clans plan in the first TMNT and just decided to ape it for....no apparent reason.
Danny is also inconsistent. One minute he's reciting fortune cookies and the next he's doing his "Logan" imitation.
Rosario Dawson's only purpose in this seems to get me to yell at my tv "Tell them about Daredevil"

Room for improvement for next season:
Give Danny a clear cut purpose.
Get a Hong Kong fight choreographer.
Learn the difference between Chinese Martial arts and Japanese martial arts.
Better villain with a clear cut plot.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Considering he has been trained for the past 15 years to basically kill anyone who threatens the safety of K'un-Lun and terminate members of the Hand with extreme prejudice, that whole innocent and naive shtick really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I think that characterization would have worked if they'd simply had Danny return to the world with one goal(like the Hand took some artifact) and he was kind of detached from caring about any of the things going on in his old life, but it kept sort of pulling him back in, and he sort eventually reconnects even though he did want to.

Him basically rediscovering who Danny Rand could have been.

Plus they could have put him in a costume that way.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I hope the Defenders has the last Hand storyline. We are going to get one more since Elektra is around. I don't like the Hand either they are all over the place and bland. Seems like how AoS had Hydra involved in everything at first.

I doubt it'll be the last. Unless the thread on Elektra is wrapped in Defenders. And I seriously doubt The Hand is done with Danny, too. Gao isn't going to just vanish, either.

I would, at the very least, expect them in the background of Daredevil if not outright at the forefront. And I would expect them to be a major player in the second season of Iron Fist.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I doubt it'll be the last. Unless the thread on Elektra is wrapped in Defenders. And I seriously doubt The Hand is done with Danny, too. Gao isn't going to just vanish, either.

I would, at the very least, expect them in the background of Daredevil if not outright at the forefront. And I would expect them to be a major player in the second season of Iron Fist.

I expect them to retool something. The Hand has been the weak point in two series now.

Once the Defenders is done, there's no reason to tie these characters so hard to New York. Unless they are going to do HfH, I expect Iron Fist second season to be more mystical and less NY based.

 

[Six]

 

[Pokkle]

I don't get the joke.
That's the opposite, Danny was supposed to guard the door and he left and didn't do it.

 

[Six]

I don't get the joke.
That's the opposite, Danny was supposed to guard the door and he left and didn't do it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The last thing I needed coming to this thread after being disappointed in this show is to see that jackass' face.

 

[The Infernal]

Poorly worded if you're trying to play on the white savior trope.

 

[Pokkle]

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Still make no sense since Danny left his guard and didn't stop anybody from entering.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Not that funny.

Finished the series last night. It was definetly more enjoyable than Luke Cage. Nothing particularly stood out that made me hate or love it. I kept finding myself thinking about the Defenders more so than Iron Fist himself. Towards the end, I became more into the Meecham storyline than Danny's.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Overall, I enjoyed this series, despite its numerous flaws. LOTS of room for improvement though, as there is with Luke Cage. Part of me cant help wonder what it would have been like with Christian Howard as Danny and Terry Crews as Luke. OK, Jones and Colter are so-called 'better' actors, and Crews' Cage wouldn't have been the smooth ladykiller that Colters' was, but at least you get guys that give us true physical representations of the characters and, more importantly, are physically equipped and willing (Colter, I'm looking at you) to throw themselves into the action and properly physically represent the characters they are portraying (Howard would have excelled in showcasing Dannys skills). It's not like Howard and Crews cant act either - anyone who doubts this only needs to watch Howard as Ken in SF: Assassins Fist (Mike Moh, who plays Ryu, has already been cast in Inhumans) and Crews in Street Kings.

But I digress as lead casting issues are now moot. I reckon that if they work on the choreography, get Finn in better shape and come up with an actual IF outfit its step in the right direction. Oh, and bloody show us a decent K'un Lun, fer chrissakes. Use Marco Polo footage if youre concerned about budget. Also fire Scot Buck if he hasnt got the imagination to give us these things.

What I will say is that I loved the score - shades of Carpenters score for Big Trouble in Little China.

 

[Flint Marko]

Finn's a likable presence. The writing is letting him down and it's a big problem that I have no idea what the character really wants, but he's someone I enjoy watching.

 

[marcvader]

But I digress as lead casting issues are now moot. I reckon that if they work on the choreography, get Finn in better shape and come up with an actual IF outfit its step in the right direction. Oh, and bloody show us a decent K'un Lun, fer chrissakes. Use Marco Polo footage if youre concerned about budget. Also fire Scot Buck if he hasnt got the imagination to give us these things.

What I will say is that I loved the score - shades of Carpenters score for Big Trouble in Little China.

I agree with all of this but will also add get better writers. Some dialog in many scenes were cringe worthy and the way some characters behaved were just head scratchers. Over all the show is ok entertainment but boy is the choreography which should be the main attraction was pedestrian and down right amateurish sometimes.