BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 2

[Tra-El]

Yeah, MoS was a big step in the right direction. It gets across the line for me. I respected its ambition.

 

[dnno1]

You really don't think kids were the target audience for that show?

Even if adults were the target, new episodes wouldn't be airing that late. As pointed out, that time is pretty much left for showing the same shows' episodes shown earlier in the block.

I think that's what they initially wanted, but when they saw what the demographics of the DC Nation block really was they pulled the show and eventually moved it to Adult Swim where they could get that market. Like I said before, Beware the Batman had close to 700,000 viewers mostly in the young adult male demographic on Toonami. When it was in the DC Nation 10 AM time slot, it got twice as many viewers, but that number was below the average numbers that GLTAS got in that time slot. Now, 700,000 viewers is a small number, but the real question we should be asking is if it is worth it to advertisers to market to that size an audience at 3:00 AM. I want to think that is the reason why it is still on the air (because it could sell advertising that early in the morning). I doubt that GLTAS could do that in the Adult Swim block since it is more of a kids show.

 

[The Endless]

I think that's what they initially wanted, but when they saw what the demographics of the DC Nation block really was they pulled the show and eventually moved it to Adult Swim where they could get that market. Like I said before, Beware the Batman had close to 700,000 viewers mostly in the young adult male demographic on Toonami. When it was in the DC Nation 10 AM time slot, it got twice as many viewers, but that number was below the average numbers that GLTAS got in that time slot. Now, 700,000 viewers is a small number, but the real question we should be asking is if it is worth it to advertisers to market to that size an audience at 3:00 AM. I want to think that is the reason why it is still on the air (because it could sell advertising that early in the morning). I doubt that GLTAS could do that in the Adult Swim block since it is more of a kids show.

 

[Flint Marko]

What the heck are we even talking about anymore

 

[Spider-Aziz]

What the heck are we even talking about anymore

All things Superman & Batman, sometimes more

 

[Dr. Thanos]

^ They probably don't sell as many toys.

This is a misconception a lot of people have about the cancellation of the DC shows. Cartoon Network does not get royalties from the DC cartoons. The only people who get money off it are Mattel and DCE. I can't get you the source right now because I'm on mobile, but CN only gets money from the shows it produces, not from everything they broadcast. Thus the cancellation of YJ and BtB are only due to ratings - which, granted, was still a stupid decision because CN often screwed up the timeslots and didn't give either series enough time to develop.

 

[The Batman]

^ I did not know all that. And I agree that CN did not give shows like YJ/GL/BTB enough time to develop.

 

[serendipity]

I was not that impressed with Young Justice when it first started. I watched the first couple of episodes.

Should I go back to it and watch the rest?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Hey, I am NOT spinning anything here. Did you guys ever think that they moved the show to that time slot because Batman is not really a kids show? At the 3 A.M. time slot, Beware the Batman is number one in ratings with about 700,000 viewers. The demographic watching the show consists young adult males. Those are the folks who like the character most.

Are you seriously trying to justify a 3AM time slot?

 

[dnno1]

Are you seriously trying to justify a 3AM time slot?

Yes. They wouldn't put programming on the air if there wasn't anyone to watch it. I remember back in the day all stations would go out at midnight and come back on at 6 AM.

 

[dnno1]

^ They probably don't sell as many toys.

It's not about selling toys. It about selling ads. That's what pays for the show and helps the station make money.

 

[Lencho01]

I think that's what they initially wanted, but when they saw what the demographics of the DC Nation block really was they pulled the show and eventually moved it to Adult Swim where they could get that market. Like I said before, Beware the Batman had close to 700,000 viewers mostly in the young adult male demographic on Toonami. When it was in the DC Nation 10 AM time slot, it got twice as many viewers, but that number was below the average numbers that GLTAS got in that time slot. Now, 700,000 viewers is a small number, but the real question we should be asking is if it is worth it to advertisers to market to that size an audience at 3:00 AM. I want to think that is the reason why it is still on the air (because it could sell advertising that early in the morning). I doubt that GLTAS could do that in the Adult Swim block since it is more of a kids show.

It's a show for kids. Simple as that. CN has more focus on comedy-centric shows. They didn't treat DC-related stuff with enough respect except for Teen Titans Go!, which fits more with the type of programming they're going for. Beware the Batman was sent to 3am to die a slow death. If the show's action-oriented and it's not called Ben 10 Something, in which they make good money off of, the chances of it staying on the air are slimmer.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yes. They wouldn't put programming on the air if there wasn't anyone to watch it. I remember back in the day all stations would go out at midnight and come back on at 6 AM.

CN wanted to burn off the rest of the episodes. If Cartoon Network had confidence in this show they would not have given it a 3am timeslot. This move is the equivalent of Local Networks sending their shows to friday or Saturday night to kill of the series, except worse because those shows are at least on at a decent time (most of the time).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It's a show for kids. Simple as that. CN has more focus on comedy-centric shows. They didn't treat DC-related stuff with enough respect except for Teen Titans Go!, which fits more with the type of programming they're going for. Beware the Batman was sent to 3am to die a slow death. If the show's action-oriented and it's not called Ben 10 Something, in which they make good money off of, the chances of it staying on the air are slimmer.

It is a kids show. It's a TV-PG show, whereas all the other Adult Swim shows are TV-14 or higher. It's not a show of faith, it's a slow death.

 

[dnno1]

It's a show for kids. Simple as that. CN has more focus on comedy-centric shows. They didn't treat DC-related stuff with enough respect except for Teen Titans Go!, which fits more with the type of programming they're going for. Beware the Batman was sent to 3am to die a slow death. If the show's action-oriented and it's not called Ben 10 Something, in which they make good money off of, the chances of it staying on the air are slimmer.

Yet the facts show that young adults and men watch the show. Conclusion: the show is not just for kids.

 

[hafizbat]

^You can say that about any children's property...there will always be adults that will enjoy it too.

 

[Boy Scout]

My Little Pony is a perfect example of that.

 

[Lencho01]

Yet the facts show that young adults and men watch the show. Conclusion: the show is not just for kids.

Kids were the target audience. Anyone else beyond that is just extra.

 

[MrsKent26]

I hope people don't mind me changing the subject because I have a query:

For people who were severely disappointed in MOS and are concurrently despondent with the same director returning for another round, what keeps you here? What keeps you interested in BvS and coming to this board to talk about it?

I don't mean this in a "Get lost, MOS haters!" sort of way. I've just noticed that some seem deeply unhappy with MOS and with choices made with its successor and yet still show up here to converse about it all. I'm curious to know what keeps you attentive to this movie? Hope for Terrio? Morbid curiosity?

 

[AnneFan]

For people who were severely disappointed in MOS and are concurrently despondent with the same director returning for another round, what keeps you here? What keeps you interested in BvS and coming to this board to talk about it?

The concept of Batman fighting Superman is just too good, I think. Superman is right - hope exists in all humans, even through disappointment and loss. I liked MoS for the most part, though.

 

[Naked Shia]

I wasn't disappointed with MOS. I really like it. The script is heavily flawed, but my grips are mostly with Goyer. I have faith in snyder. With Terrio on board, and with the mere thought of seeing superman and batman meeting on the big screen, I'm more than pumped for this movie.

 

[tomoe]

I hope people don't mind me changing the subject because I have a query:

For people who were severely disappointed in MOS and are concurrently despondent with the same director returning for another round, what keeps you here? What keeps you interested in BvS and coming to this board to talk about it?

I don't mean this in a "Get lost, MOS haters!" sort of way. I've just noticed that some seem deeply unhappy with MOS and with choices made with its successor and yet still show up here to converse about it all. I'm curious to know what keeps you attentive to this movie? Hope for Terrio? Morbid curiosity?

I didn't hate MOS, but the parts that pissed me off kind of overcame the parts I loved. I'll admit I'm biased; if this was another superhero I might have enjoyed it fine with no qualms. Terrio and Affleck's involvement, as well as the hope that Snyder actually listens to and addresses the problems some people had with MOS gives me hope that BvS might actually be good. Before Terrio's involvement, when it was just Goyer and Snyder, I was pretty much 100% convinced BvS would be complete crap.

 

[regwec]

I liked MoS, but felt the third act descended into a degree of farce, despite some nice moments. Were the "payoff" reigned in somewhat, it would have been a better movie overall.

 

[Sharkboy]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Not me.