Is Nolan Scared?

[the_scream]

Why in sweet God's name would you want to go from The Joker and Two-Face in TDK to a Nolanized Penguin in the third installment? Talk about a jarring downgrade.

I believe there is no topping TDK. That's why I vote that Nolan needs to end while it's good. I don't want a Batman movie disappointment of catastrophic proportions. And let's be honest... that's all it'd ever be.

Heath Ledger is long gone, and The Joker and Two-Face characters along with him (unless Nolan wants to be a dumbass by recasting the Joker); and those were the only characters that made TDK a masterpiece. Bale sure as hell didn't make it a great movie. That was all Ledger and Eckhart, mixed in with some decent directing.

Relax dude. I agree. The Penguin is a jarring downgrade. But then, that's the challenge isn't it?

 

[obiwan]

you couldnt make the penguin more interesting then burtons penguin. nolan would make the penguin a typical mobster. i much prefer burtons "freak" penguin because it fits more with the batman world. i'd love to see a redone riddler though.

 

[the_scream]

you couldnt make the penguin more interesting then burtons penguin. nolan would make the penguin a typical mobster. i much prefer burtons "freak" penguin because it fits more with the batman world. i'd love to see a redone riddler though.

Why couldn't you make the Penguin more interesting? It is completely possible to make a very unique and interesting Penguin. Where's your imagination?

 

[the_scream]

Besides, if there is a third film, why does it have to be villain-centric? BB was a great film because it focussed on Batman. I don't want to see Batman 3 be all about the villains. The Joker should steal the show but other characters, like the Penguin, should be secondary to Batman and Gordon. So, a Penguin mob boss could be interesting especially if the story is clever.

 

[obiwan]

eh, im tired of all the mob bosses in nolans film. not that they arent essential, but im tired of mob bosses in every film. first grissom, then falcone, then maroni, then the cech, come on! how about a major villian like the good old days, before "realism".

 

[onDgrind]

TDK was better then batman begins, the fact that it was entertaining this time around. BB was very boring to me, i just couldnt get around the dragged out origin. and the batsuit was terrible.

as for a sequel, i wouldnt want to see nolan do catwoman and penguin again, because lets face it, jack was great joker but im pretty sure everyone was happy to see a different joker done in films. but, for catwoman and penguin, who are 2 completely unrealistic characters, i cant see nolan wanting to do that. penguin is unrealsitic that he would certainly need prosthetics, which would look weird in a nolan movie, and catwoman, a woman in skintight leather? are you joking? even if nolan decided to catwoman, you couldnt top pfieffer. no, just no that goes for devito too. they were both very dark and twisted versions, kinda like how nolan did joker. i dont see how much more you could do with the character without downgradeing them.

Penguin is way more realistic than the Batman, so he got a long nose, ve seen people with long nose, doesnt have to be too long, and if you referring to the Penguin in Returns , its possible aswell, seen the girl born with eight limbs? so a guy born with three fingers aint a big deal realy, and Penguin is a crime boss which is nothing unrealistic, Batman on the other hand is unrealistic, cuz no sane billionaire would dress up as a bat at night to fight crime, whereas Penguin can easily exist. So if you wanna talk about reality your point aint realy valid regarding the Penguin being unrealistic. And if Batman can wear rubber suits, why cant a woman wear skin tight leather?

 

[Grommers]

Penguin is way more realistic than the Batman, so he got a long nose, ve seen people with long nose, doesnt have to be too long, and if you referring to the Penguin in Returns , its possible aswell, seen the girl born with eight limbs? so a guy born with three fingers aint a big deal realy, and Penguin is a crime boss which is nothing unrealistic, Batman on the other hand is unrealistic, cuz no sane billionaire would dress up as a bat at night to fight crime, whereas Penguin can easily exist. So if you wanna talk about reality your point aint realy valid regarding the Penguin being unrealistic. And if Batman can wear rubber suits, why cant a woman wear skin tight leather?

if I was a billionaire, i would. and I am sane.

 

[onDgrind]

if I was a billionaire, i would. and I am sane.

Yh , jump off sky scrapers, walk into a building with thugs with guns and fight them bare hand , drive around the city chased by cops , have a gallery of villains always looking for a way to kill you, have a batcave under your mansion with lots of gadgets , Money sure drives people nuts

 

[CFE]

Either way I dont see Nolan tarnishing Heath's performance by casting another completly different Joker, to me its just not happening.

It wouldn't.

Ledger's performance in "The Dark Knight" is crystalized, solid...and done. It's there, no one else can do anything about it.

Recasting Joker for the 3rd film would have absolutely NO effect on Heath's portrayal.

On the other hand, Recasting the Joker would allow the story to be told the way Nolan and company were intending it.

Just recast the Joker so they can finish the trilogy the way they want to.

CFE

 

[obiwan]

guys, did nolan say he ISNT bringing back joker for a 3rd?

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

It wouldn't.

Ledger's performance in "The Dark Knight" is crystalized, solid...and done. It's there, no one else can do anything about it.

Recasting Joker for the 3rd film would have absolutely NO effect on Heath's portrayal.

On the other hand, Recasting the Joker would allow the story to be told the way Nolan and company were intending it.

Just recast the Joker so they can finish the trilogy the way they want to.

CFE

I know what your saying, but personally Ive seen enough, and I want Heath's portrayal as The Joker to be the definitive onscreen version, I dont want to see another Joker in the same style done ever again, thats how much I love his version.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

guys, did nolan say he ISNT bringing back joker for a 3rd?

there hasnt been any OFFICIAL word on a third at all yet so far.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Nolan wouldn't be a dumbass to recast the Joker.

It was already a given that the character was going to out-live Heath whether he passed away when he did or 80 years from now.

If Joker is a necessity for the story, Nolan and Co. need to be strong and move forward.

I don't see anyone complaining about re-casting Katie Holmes...now I'm hardly comparing her performance in 'Begins' to Ledger's...but if you're gonna throw up a flag of protest and say they shouldn't recast Joker in order to keep from compromising the vision of Nolan's universe, then you should either be saying the exact same thing about going from Katie to Maggie...or realizing from that example that the storyline and universe of Nolan's Batman did just fine with the recasting.

Heath was fantastic, but to think there's never ever going to be another actor portraying the Joker ever is an absurd thought. Whether it's in Nolan's 3rd film or in another film in the future, the Joker's going to be played by someone else.

With a character that iconic spanning 70 years...it's unavoidable.

CFE

We're talking in terms of the Nolanverse. Not all Batman films of the far future.

And to those who suggested I "calm down"... I was never excited. I choose to not be a stoic robot but that doesn't mean I'm going coo-coo for cocoa puffs. Some of you are, though. Catwoman isn't even all that great. Maybe for your bedroom fantasies, but not for the comics or films.

 

[the_scream]

Calm down Deathstroke. Calm. Breathe man. Breathe before you have a stroke. Relax. Shhhh. Down boy.

 

[Delete]

Why in sweet God's name would you want to go from The Joker and Two-Face in TDK to a Nolanized Penguin in the third installment? Talk about a jarring downgrade.

I believe there is no topping TDK. That's why I vote that Nolan needs to end while it's good. I don't want a Batman movie disappointment of catastrophic proportions. And let's be honest... that's all it'd ever be.

Heath Ledger is long gone, and The Joker and Two-Face characters along with him (unless Nolan wants to be a dumbass by recasting the Joker); and those were the only characters that made TDK a masterpiece. Bale sure as hell didn't make it a great movie. That was all Ledger and Eckhart, mixed in with some decent directing.

You realize there is no way in the world that Warner Brothers is going to take a look at the Box Office on TDK and not make Batman 3?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Calm down Deathstroke. Calm. Breathe man. Breathe before you have a stroke. Relax. Shhhh. Down boy.

Nope, sorry, I'm having a little too much fun humping your leg.

You realize there is no way in the world that Warner Brothers is going to take a look at the Box Office on TDK and not make Batman 3?

Realize that a typical fan never wants another Batman disappointment. Forever and B&R come to mind. Imagine the huge wreck that Batman 3 could cause.

Will we be getting another Batman movie in the next few years? Yep. Does that mean Nolan team (of whom I have little faith in to top TDK, since it was Ledger compensating for their shortcomings) will be on board? The radar picks up "not necessarily." Probably. But I hope not. The future will tell.

I want someone at the helm we can have full confidence in.

 

[Two-Face]

So i read Nolan aint planning to use the Penguin and Catwoman in his Batman universe, but could it be Nolan is scared he wont be able to top Burtons Penguin, especially Catwoman, yeah he topped Burtons Joker, i didnt see anything too special about Jacks potrayal of the Joker anyway , it was good but nothing out of this world. But Burtons Catwoman has set the standard and i can go as far as saying i dont think it could be topped, i might be proved wrong in the future, but the probability of that happening seems realy low to me. Most people dont like Burtons Penguin, personally i think it was one of the best villains portrayed in a superhero movie, people who didnt like the Penguin based this mostly on the mutation , however have you actually looked past that and marvel at the performance of Danny, it rivals Ledgers Joker, too bad people think about the mutation before the performance and delivery of the character. This are two characters i sense Nolan knows have been done well, and knows he has to top them if he wants to go there

I'm one of those people who likes BR as a Burton movie but not as a Batman movie. Sure Burton made Catwoman & Penguin interesting but I didn't like it at all. I prefer comics versions more maybe not Frank Miller's Catwoman version. I believe Nolan can top Burton's Catwoman & Penguin and the man has talent.

 

[CFE]

We're talking in terms of the Nolanverse. Not all Batman films of the far future.

And to those who suggested I "calm down"... I was never excited. I choose to not be a stoic robot but that doesn't mean I'm going coo-coo for cocoa puffs. Some of you are, though. Catwoman isn't even all that great. Maybe for your bedroom fantasies, but not for the comics or films.

I'm not talking about future films either.

If the story that Goyer and the Nolans came up with still needs Joker, then they need to go ahead and use him...not compromise their story because Ledger's gone.

CFE

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

All I know is I would LOVE to see Nolan do Catwoman and The penguin, I feel like he could even juggle them all with The Riddler even being included in the mix.

 

[justinianus]

I don't think he's "scared" of something. If he can include them in a way that it will seem he can add to them, he'll do it.

The way I see it, the Penguin (as he is in the comics) can't be a main villain in any of the movies, especially Nolan's continuity with extremely large-scale villain schemes, so he could use him simply as a part of Gotham's underworld.

 

[MrQuinn]

I think Burton's take on the Penguin was awesome. I hated, liked, and felt sorry for the character all at once. I think he did very well. His Catwoman was great too, although the transformation to was a little shaky, I suppose.
All in all, with a few minor changes (like the making of Catwoman, and the Penguin actually living with Penguins and all that jazz) I think both of these characters as Burton's vision would actually fit in Nolan's world.
Can't say I actually want to see him do these character's, however... I would prefer something fresh.

And "nolanite" ? Hahaha

 

[justinianus]

And "nolanite" ? Hahaha

Some people like to have black & white opinions on a subject to fit themselves in categories, like football fans that support a team lol

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It wouldn't.

Ledger's performance in "The Dark Knight" is crystalized, solid...and done. It's there, no one else can do anything about it.

Recasting Joker for the 3rd film would have absolutely NO effect on Heath's portrayal.

On the other hand, Recasting the Joker would allow the story to be told the way Nolan and company were intending it.

Just recast the Joker so they can finish the trilogy the way they want to.

CFE

WTF? You know the story for BB3? How do you even know that Nolan and Goyer were planning on using the Joker for part 3? The only quote we have regarding Joker and part 3 was when Goyer mentioned it years ago during BB, saying that the Joker would come back for part 3 to scar Dent. Obviously, things have changed. So where are you getting that Nolan needs the Joker to finish out his trilogy?

guys, did nolan say he ISNT bringing back joker for a 3rd?

Did Nolan ever say he is even doing a part 3? Did Nolan ever say he would be using the Joker if he did a part 3?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

So i read Nolan aint planning to use the Penguin and Catwoman in his Batman universe, but could it be Nolan is scared he wont be able to top Burtons Penguin, especially Catwoman, yeah he topped Burtons Joker, i didnt see anything too special about Jacks potrayal of the Joker anyway , it was good but nothing out of this world. But Burtons Catwoman has set the standard and i can go as far as saying i dont think it could be topped, i might be proved wrong in the future, but the probability of that happening seems realy low to me. Most people dont like Burtons Penguin, personally i think it was one of the best villains portrayed in a superhero movie, people who didnt like the Penguin based this mostly on the mutation , however have you actually looked past that and marvel at the performance of Danny, it rivals Ledgers Joker, too bad people think about the mutation before the performance and delivery of the character. This are two characters i sense Nolan knows have been done well, and knows he has to top them if he wants to go there

Don't believe it unless it comes out of the mouth of Nolan or Goyer. So many BS rumors will be popping up now left and right. According to reports, we already have Catwoman, the Riddler and the Penguin cast. You'll be hearing BS stories on BB3 on a daily basis. Unless you get a quote from Nolan or Goyer, don't believe it.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Ahhhh and the plot thickens ahahaha