Is Superman getting the shaft in "Justice League"? - Part 2

[AnneFan]

It's a lose-lose straight down the middle.

"Superman's in the trailer! WB screwed up! WHY did they show him?!"

"Superman's not in the trailer! WB screwed up! SHOW HIM!"

Yep.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Well my view is that if you're going to do something, either go all the way or don't doit at all. Superman not being promoted as a member for most of this film's marketing, not being actively involved in the group's creation, being absent for most of this film, and only joining the group to help them out at the every end doesn't scream to me that he is a member of this group and just more of an ally.

I would rather see Superman branch off in his own film's with his own group than be involved with a group that he really isn't involved with and become a subordinate of Batman's.

It's already bad enough that we aren't getting any of the famous aspects of the return arc for Superman (i.e. no black suit). The DCEU not only wasted an good death arc for him but they can't even adapt the great parts for the return portion.

What if we legit found out that Herolee was Henry Cavill's catfish account?

 

[TheRedWraith]

I'd have to commend his commitment to the ruse.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Personally as someone whose not been a fan of the marketing so far I'd have to say that Superman's absence in trailers to this point seems to be an effective if unconventional manner. Particularly given the amount of Supes-related JL swag that just dropped into their online store. However, I don't think I've ever been this anticipatory about seeing Big Blue's return.

Perfectly fine they allude to his return in the trailer. It's not a secret he's involved in the film. The marketing not showing him in trailers is just meant to build up anticipation and interest. The fans will want to see him and want to see how and when they bring him back. It's working for me, I'm really looking forward to his return


I like the World Without Hope headline, a nod to the World Without Superman story arc. Superman = Hope. I really wouldn't want them to treat the idea of the character any other way. Hopefully they do a good job expressing that concept in this film

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Well, when you really think about it...I don't think this Superman will be an actual member of the group during the duration of this film.

Showing up in the end to help out the group isn't what some people would identify as him being a part of the group.

If anything, Henry's Superman doesn't even feel like he belongs with this group. The DCEU has done such a good (or terrible depending on your POV) job at isolating him from these other heroes that having him stand alongside them now feels weird. Had the DCEU actually built Superman up with these other heroes like how they've done with Batman and Wonder Woman interacting with the rest of the group, then it would have felt organic. But they kept Superman isolated from everyone and thus he doesn't really feel like he belongs with these other characters.

Therefore, it would actually be better for the character to just remain an ally to the group and have him create his own group in his solo films; a group where he had an actual involvement in its formation and where he builds that relationship with each of those given members.

No offense, but this sounds kinda like "I'm taking my toys and forming my own group."


It will be fine. Superman doesn't have to be involved and integrated into the group from the very beginning. Let the other characters get some time to interact and be developed. It will make it that much better when Supes joins the group

 

[Herolee10]

Hey good news Herolee10... There is a rumor that a good portion of the reshoots are dialogue based and that Superman is a big factor in that regard.

It's a lose-lose straight down the middle.

"Superman's in the trailer! WB screwed up! WHY did they show him?!"

"Superman's not in the trailer! WB screwed up! SHOW HIM!"

For the record, I don't have any real problems (now) with not seeing him in the trailers. I can actually understand (however very flawed) that logic.

Now it's things like excluding him from these things (posters) that really gets me going.

How can you exclude Superman from these once in a lifetime posters? Especially the Alex Ross inspired one?

It's things like this that really solidifies my belief that Superman isn't a member of this group (JL) because you don't promote a film about a group that's 99% complete.

Not showing him in any footage is fine in the long run but hiding him from these posters is just b.s. There's no excuse for it.

It's the one thing that I will never be able to forget or let go for this film.

 

[Herolee10]

It will be fine. Superman doesn't have to be involved and integrated into the group from the very beginning. Let the other characters get some time to interact and be developed. It will make it that much better when Supes joins the group

Honestly, they've done such a unintentionally good job on keeping Superman the outsider for this universe/group for so long, that at this point...I don't think many will give a damn about Superman joining this group because there's been nothing to build up to it.

Superman has had NO BUILD UP to join this group. He has been shunned in his own corner for the last two films. Why would anyone care at this point to see him interact with a bunch of people that are strangers to him when there has been no built up to that moment?

The whole purpose of this marketing strategy has been saying that "Superman is expendable" and that's why we won't need to advertise him. I'm not talking so much about trailers but everything else.

 

[vantheman77]

Without any buildup, whatever moment or two that Superman may have in JL is going to be meaningless.

I have a feeling they were originally didn't want to include Superman in the JL seeing how the group was promoted as complete without him.

 

[DOBSON10]

How can you exclude Superman from these once in a lifetime posters? Especially the Alex Ross inspired one?

It's things like this that really solidifies my belief that Superman isn't a member of this group (JL) because you don't promote a film about a group that's 99% complete.

Not showing him in any footage is fine in the long run but hiding him from these posters is just b.s. There's no excuse for it.

It's the one thing that I will never be able to forget or let go for this film.

I wouldn't worry about this that much, he'll be included in tons of posters and merchandise once the movie hits theaters. They're excluding him for now for marketing purposes because he's supposed to be dead and they're playing up the reveal hard going into the movie. Once it's out I think he'll be in plenty of this stuff and they'll probably re-release the Alex Ross painting poster with him in it.

Also, I wasn't joking about the reshoots rumor, that really is a rumor going around and that Superman is getting a big emphasis in the added dialogue scenes.

 

[Herolee10]

I wouldn't worry about this that much, he'll be included in tons of posters and merchandise once the movie hits theaters. They're excluding him for now for marketing purposes because he's supposed to be dead and they're playing up the reveal hard going into the movie. Once it's out I think he'll be in plenty of this stuff and they'll probably re-release the Alex Ross painting poster with him in it.

Also, I wasn't joking about the reshoots rumor, that really is a rumor going around and that Superman is getting a big emphasis in the added dialogue scenes.

One could only hope. IF they do end up Re-rleasing some of the posters above with superman in it after the film is released then I will gladly take back most of what I've said.

Though in regards to the re-shoots, if they are true I just hope that It's more than the League just talking about superman and making him more into a bigger plot point/off screen character. I mean if that were the case, then they wouldn't need Henry for any of that.

 

[BH/HHH]

Must have missed the latest batch of posters, action figures, funkos etc that all featured Superman then

 

[BH/HHH]

It will be fine. Superman doesn't have to be involved and integrated into the group from the very beginning. Let the other characters get some time to interact and be developed. It will make it that much better when Supes joins the group

Exactly. those characters like the Flash, Aquaman Cyborg who haven't had there own solo films or major parts in films prior this one deserve some development.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Yeah, excluding Supes from the posters makes zero sense considering he's already going to be on your popcorn cup.

 

[morningmimosa]

Lel, imagine some lil guy whining if Supes' hasn't been shown in any promotional material at all.

Weren't you panicking months ago about Supes only being on the first SDCC poster and might not be included in any other promotional material? What happened to that?

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, excluding Supes from the posters makes zero sense considering he's already going to be on your popcorn cup.

Killing Superman in the first place makes zero sense. For all the talk about how WB is in a lose-lose position, they did this to themselves. They're trying to tell us how "important" this character is but they already bungled all that in BvS by chopping out most of his scenes, killing him as if anyone would care, and then immediately assuring audience's that he will return.

 

[sf2]

Yeah, excluding Supes from the posters makes zero sense considering he's already going to be on your popcorn cup.

It makes sense when he isn't a member of the team

 

[Broseph44]

It's a lose-lose straight down the middle.

"Superman's in the trailer! WB screwed up! WHY did they show him?!"

"Superman's not in the trailer! WB screwed up! SHOW HIM!"

yeah some fans are always going to complain either way, there's no winning with some of them.

 

[AnneFan]

Well, that's just 2 Bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfy9Ek4IyE

 

[nyyarod]

Killing Superman in the first place makes zero sense. For all the talk about how WB is in a lose-lose position, they did this to themselves. They're trying to tell us how "important" this character is but they already bungled all that in BvS by chopping out most of his scenes, killing him as if anyone would care, and then immediately assuring audience's that he will return.

Basically!

 

[DOBSON10]

Killing Superman in the first place makes zero sense. For all the talk about how WB is in a lose-lose position, they did this to themselves. They're trying to tell us how "important" this character is but they already bungled all that in BvS by chopping out most of his scenes, killing him as if anyone would care, and then immediately assuring audience's that he will return.

I agree with this. The Death of Superman arch shouldn't have taken place with Justice League as his next appearance. Preferably it would have been in a solo movie, after Justice League 1. Makes more sense for many, many reasons. The major reason being that they would have had more time to flesh out the character, build up his status as a hero and get the audience behind his character so that it would have more effect on the audience when he died.

BvS made alot of mistakes but I think it would have been alittle better received had it come further down the line in the world building, where it makes more sense to the audience, to see Batman's career, his frustration building with so many of his allies turning against him, criminals continuing to show up despite his best efforts, some failures and tragedies along the way to make him lose his way and for Superman to build up his status as a symbol of hope and inspiration so that his death felt more like a loss, rather than a timeout. It all felt incredibly rushed and contrived.

 

[STARMAN]

The best case scenario going forward is a well received appearance in JL, an appearance in Shazam, and a standalone sequel with a different creative team. The Shazam appearance isn't a requirement but a bonus.

 

[_Superman_]

I agree with this. The Death of Superman arch shouldn't have taken place with Justice League as his next appearance. Preferably it would have been in a solo movie, after Justice League 1. Makes more sense for many, many reasons. The major reason being that they would have had more time to flesh out the character, build up his status as a hero and get the audience behind his character so that it would have more effect on the audience when he died.

BvS made alot of mistakes but I think it would have been alittle better received had it come further down the line in the world building, where it makes more sense to the audience, to see Batman's career, his frustration building with so many of his allies turning against him, criminals continuing to show up despite his best efforts, some failures and tragedies along the way to make him lose his way and for Superman to build up his status as a symbol of hope and inspiration so that his death felt more like a loss, rather than a timeout. It all felt incredibly rushed and contrived.

IMO SvB should've been the third movie in the MOS trilogy. That way you could've showcased the impact Superman had on this world before he died.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Exactly. those characters like the Flash, Aquaman Cyborg who haven't had there own solo films or major parts in films prior this one deserve some development.

I think the problem is that despite appearing in two films, people don't feel like Superman has been given much development either.

I would argue that they did fairly well with him in MOS, aside from some weird moments where he seems oblivious to the destruction he's causing (like smashing Zod through a gas station and blowing it up). But in BvS, he barely feels like a character. In the theatrical version at least, he's just there for other characters to talk about and take action because of, like a McGuffin.

Hopefully JL will change that though. If so, then praise be to Whedon or Snyder or Terrio or whoever really allows him to shine.

 

[The Guard]

I have a feeling that after Superman gets revived that he and Batman are not going to co-exist in the League.

Except we've been flat out told that they will.

 

[Limonade]

yeah some fans are always going to complain either way, there's no winning with some of them.

It's not like this couldn't have been unavoidable. The decisions in the past has led up to this.

Doesn't matter who made those decisions but it's a classic example of reaping what they sowed.

I'm more interested in seeing if they can turn this JL ship around and be commercially sustainable. I'm optimistic that they will.