Is the Punisher REALLY insane?

[Horrorfan]

You don't really discuss, though, and that's my point. All you do is try and try and try to make people see it your way, which ultimately you think is not just the best way, but the only way.

I think that going around murdering people, whether they deserve it or not, is not normal behavior. It's sociopathic, and what we would just label as "insane". No, it's not the textbook definition of insanity, but I would call him insane.

See, NOW I understand your point of view.....now you explained why you feel that way. It's not normal behaviour, you are right, there's no doubt about that....but insane? But fair enough, I see why you feel that way.

Anyway, you are right in that I have been too confrontational before so now I'm trying to tone it down a little....it's still hard to resist the temptation but ultimately discussing is a lot more interesting and rewarding than trying to change someone's mind on fundamental differences of opinion.

 

[PhotoJones]

See, NOW I understand your point of view.....now you explained why you feel that way. It's not normal behaviour, you are right, there's no doubt about that....but insane? But fair enough, I see why you feel that way.

Anyway, you are right in that I have been too confrontational before so now I'm trying to tone it down a little....it's still hard to resist the temptation but ultimately discussing is a lot more interesting and rewarding than trying to change someone's mind on fundamental differences of opinion.

How old are you?

 

[Harlekin]

By the way, the Punisher has shot jaywalkers, and he has caused immeasurable amounts of collaterol damage in the past. Just thought you should know.

 

[gdatruth]

Was it really good? It sounds kinda...lame. Because I never have noticed Punisher trying to carry on the vietnam war, and I don't see the relevance to the personal war on crime....they were two seperate things...but maybe it makes sense when you read it, but right now it sounds kinda ill thought out....

you should pick it up good read.

Spoilers:

Spoiler

my interpreation of the mini-series was to show that frank castle is a natural born killer. he was highly affective at nam. It 'appears' that he made a deal with death(or a voice in his head) to continue killing. The death of his family is the justicifaction for him simply continuing to kill

 

[Horrorfan]

By the way, the Punisher has shot jaywalkers, and he has caused immeasurable amounts of collaterol damage in the past. Just thought you should know.

Really? Do you have scans or can you describe the circumstances? That doesn't sound like Punisher to me....a guy who killed those other vigilantes for killing innocents through recklessness.

 

[PhotoJones]

By the way, the Punisher has shot jaywalkers, and he has caused immeasurable amounts of collaterol damage in the past. Just thought you should know.

I was going to mention that, but I wasn't 100% sure if that was incontinuity, or had been retconned.

 

[PhotoJones]

Really? Do you have scans or can you describe the circumstances? That doesn't sound like Punisher to me....a guy who killed those other vigilantes for killing innocents through recklessness.

Maybe you should read some more Punisher comics, and then come back to "discuss".

 

[Horrorfan]

If you showed me scans or tell me the exact issue and circumstances I think I will get the gist :P

 

[PhotoJones]

If you showed me scans or tell me the exact issue and circumstances I think I will get the gist :P

Well, I'm at work, so I won't be able to scan pages in, or look up issue numbers (not that I would anyway). Looks like you're just going to take it at face value.

 

[Horrorfan]

Well, I'm at work, so I won't be able to scan pages in, or look up issue numbers (not that I would anyway). Looks like you're just going to take it at face value.

Well sounds like BS to me....it doesn't sound like the Punisher. At all. If proof is provided I will have no choice but to accept it, but for now, I think it doesn't exist.

 

[Harlekin]

Well, I thank you for the questioning of my integrity. I don't think I really have to prove the collaterol damage thing, since that's pretty much in 80% of the comics involving the Punisher. The jaywalker thing was some kind of insanity brought on by someone (can't recall who), but it did happen.

 

[PhotoJones]

Well sounds like BS to me....it doesn't sound like the Punisher. At all. If proof is provided I will have no choice but to accept it, but for now, I think it doesn't exist.

How did I know that would be your response? What's the point of discussion if you can't accept what others bring into it?

 

[Horrorfan]

Well, I thank you for the questioning of my integrity. I don't think I really have to prove the collaterol damage thing, since that's pretty much in 80% of the comics involving the Punisher. The jaywalker thing was some kind of insanity brought on by someone (can't recall who), but it did happen.

It's not so much you I doubt...I just think that maybe you have a slant on it that may be clouding your memory...I do think you are honest, but heck, everyone wants to see somethign that fits their view, im kinda doing it now....and I don't recall anyone dying of collateral damage in punisher, much like no one seems to die during 616 Hulk's rampages.

That sounds like Punisher wasn't himself and was controlled/driven by something other than his own mind, but I havent read it so i cant really say. but dont take it as a personal bash, I am just a cynic naturally who needs proof :P

 

[Horrorfan]

How did I know that would be your response? What's the point of discussion if you can't accept what others bring into it?

Like I said, I know you and others might want to put a slightly different spin on things because of yoru world views...so I would rather see myself with my own eyes the proof. That's not unreasonable yes? Speculation is one thing, claiming something did happen without proof is another...

 

[Harlekin]

I never said anything about innocents dying during one of the Punisher's raid, but he DOES cause a lot of collaterol damage, as he often doesn't limit himself to guns but uses bombs and stuff as well. The fact that nobody dies is the good old laws of comicdom, where as you say, nobody dies in a Hulk rampage either.

You said he doesn't cause that kind of damage. He does. He's just very lucky nobody dies.

 

[Horrorfan]

I never said anything about innocents dying during one of the Punisher's raid, but he DOES cause a lot of collaterol damage, as he often doesn't limit himself to guns but uses bombs and stuff as well. The fact that nobody dies is the good old laws of comicdom, where as you say, nobody dies in a Hulk rampage either.

You said he doesn't cause that kind of damage. He does. He's just very lucky nobody dies.

Sorry my bad, I meant in terms of civillian casulties.

 

[PhotoJones]

Horrorfan: "Your worldy views are clouding the memory of comic book pages you've read."

LOL.

 

[Horrorfan]

Horrorfan: "Your worldy views are clouding the memory of comic book pages you've read."

LOL.

 

[PhotoJones]

What's to be confused about? You don't believe anything people are telling you, and you say it's because of our "world views". And I thought it was funny.

If you can't accept anything people on the boards say, than why don't you just get the **** out of here?

 

[Horrorfan]

What's to be confused about? You don't believe anything people are telling you, and you say it's because of our "world views". And I thought it was funny.

If you can't accept anything people on the boards say, than why don't you just get the **** out of here?

It's not that I don't accept that, just suggested that your beliefs may have you a little biased...but everyone does. I never said different. I do, you do...everyone. But if I could read it myself, it comes with no baggage, just what's on the page. Why are you finding such a simple concept to figure out?

 

[PhotoJones]

It's not that I don't accept that, just suggested that your beliefs may have you a little biased...but everyone does. I never said different. I do, you do...everyone. But if I could read it myself, it comes with no baggage, just what's on the page. Why are you finding such a simple concept to figure out?

I'm finding it hard to figure out how you could think I could "spin" Frank Castle shooting down jaywalkers to be anything other than what it is.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Personally, I see Frank Castle as insane. But nowhere near on par with the criminals that he kills.

 

[DareDemon]

I'm finding it hard to figure out how you could think I could "spin" Frank Castle shooting down jaywalkers to be anything other than what it is.

It WAS spun in a different way, though. The person said the Punisher shot them down without saying that the Punisher was actually being controlled at that time. So you are wrong.

 

[PhotoJones]

It WAS spun in a different way, though. The person said the Punisher shot them down without saying that the Punisher was actually being controlled at that time. So you are wrong.

Frank's killed less then criminal people before on his own free will. That's the point of all this.

 

[Darthphere]

Screw your indie titles, if they were any good they would be in the top 10 of sales.

Oh, wrong thread.