Is the Punisher REALLY insane?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't....he is very, very left wing, and as you can see from the ultimates, anyone who doesn't take crap is usually considered a dick in his books...so I don't see him really liking punisher.

Someone can like a character without agreeing with him politically or philisophically. I think The Punisher is a self destructive, emotionally stunted sociopath. But I also think he's a great character.
 
I'm not. Have you ever even read a Millar comic outside Ultimates? The guy is about ****, ass, violence and cursing. Seriously, have you read Wanted? The guy loves the Punisher.

I would not have seen that coming at all to be honest. I thought he'd be the most anti punisher guy going. Goes to show you really cant tell.
 
If the writer writes the character completely out of character, then yes, I will ignore it.

Same reason I ignore Hulk destroying Gladiator, that's just not that character.

If you don't like the character, don't use him just because you have a massive ego trip going and you need to justify your position in your mind.

You're giving the writer WAY too much credit. You do know that Marvel employs editors, right? And the jobs of those people are to ensure the integrity of characters. Granted, in the last few years, the integrity of some of the characters has been compromised, depending on who you talk to, but that's not really the whole point.

The point is, if the Punisher is portrayed as having a screw loose, then he's got a screw loose. he is a FICTIONAL character who's every action is predetermined by a group of overweight males.

To quote a line from Lewis Black, "At some point you have to just agree on what the **** reality is." So get out of here with you're partisan bull****.
 
I would not have seen that coming at all to be honest. I thought he'd be the most anti punisher guy going. Goes to show you really cant tell.

Emphasis on "you". Goes to show you really can't tell.
 
I would not have seen that coming at all to be honest. I thought he'd be the most anti punisher guy going. Goes to show you really cant tell.

I would've. Even though it's politically charged, The Ultimates still rellies very heavily on good old fasioned ultra-violence.
 
You're giving the writer WAY too much credit. You do know that Marvel employs editors, right? And the jobs of those people are to ensure the integrity of characters. Granted, in the last few years, the integrity of some of the characters has been compromised, depending on who you talk to, but that's not really the whole point.

The point is, if the Punisher is portrayed as having a screw loose, then he's got a screw loose. he is a FICTIONAL character who's every action is predetermined by a group of overweight males.

To quote a line from Lewis Black, "At some point you have to just agree on what the **** reality is." So get out of here with you're partisan bull****.

LOL Calm down and stop being a big pansy...ok, you probably can't stop that, but calm down at least :oldrazz:
 
I would've. Even though it's politically charged, The Ultimates still rellies very heavily on good old fasioned ultra-violence.


Yeah but a lot of people (not me) see cap as a dick because he's so.....well....brutal (even though it's usually well deserved), and some people seem to think he's deliberatly portrayed that way....I personally never saw him as a dick before, but it seems a lot of people do.
 
The point is, if the Punisher is portrayed as having a screw loose, then he's got a screw loose. he is a FICTIONAL character who's every action is predetermined by a group of overweight males.

You've obviously never seen Grant Morrison.
 
Yeah but a lot of people (not me) see cap as a dick because he's so.....well....brutal (even though it's usually well deserved), and some people seem to think he's deliberatly portrayed that way....I personally never saw him as a dick before, but it seems a lot of people do.

He is deliberately portrayed that way. Millar's using Cap as a metaphore for the military in general. He's good person, but when faced with the fact that his old methods and philosophies don't always apply to the situation he's currently faced with, he simply refuses to aknowledge it. Millar writes Cap as a good, but flawed person. That doesn't mean that he hates the character, and doesn't enjoy writing some good old fasioned ultra-violence.
 
HAHA. Yes, he's a thin man. When I think of Marvel editorial, the image of Quesada appears. Not a thin man.

Thin? That hardly describes him. He's one of the dead sexiest creatures alive. He, like Mick Jagger, is one of the men that many straight men would still willingly have sex with, due to his sheer awesomeness.
 
Thin? That hardly describes him. He's one of the dead sexiest creatures alive. He, like Mick Jagger, is one of the men that many straight men would still willingly have sex with, due to his sheer awesomeness.

Oh. I was...unaware.
 
People, you can personalize your personal canon however you like; in my personal canon for instance, "House of M" is just a fancy name for a martini. But in a full-out forum discussion about the character as depicted in canon, one should possibly have a better reason for outright ignoring certain stories than "Well, I think they did it badly."
BrianWilly, you're a Joss Whedon fan, so you've probably read the two issues of Runaways Joss has written so far. Tell me, is it sane to fire a rocket launcher at a group of unarmed children, without warning, just because they are breaking into an unoccupied building, with the intent to steal?
Going by just this incident in itself, it was definitely very mean and naughty and wrong, but not really a clear sign of insanity as we know it. People can be morally bankrupt, do-whatever-it-takes evil bastards who've managed to convince themselves of the necessity of their shady ways without being outright insane to go along with it.

Joss was writing the Punisher as a villain, but I don't know that it was overtly insane. Though, yes, I definitely agree that it's a strong point in favor of the insanity thing (one of many that he's accumulated throughout the years)...in favor of, but not one hundred percent indicative.

To be completely honest, I thought the Punisher's appearance in Runaways was a bit of poetic justice in a lot of ways; other character like Wolverine and Spider-Man almost always, always get written off-character when they appear in Punisher's books -- and when I say "off-character," mostly I mean "like foaming ******s" -- just to make Frank seem that much more badass, so I'm frankly not quite as inclined to complain when the same happens to him when he appears in other books.
 
The Punisher isn't insane.
But let me remind you that neither were Hitler, Bundy, Hussein, Dahmer, or the majority of serial killers and ruthless dictators.

The question should be, Is the Punisher a psychopath, and without a doubt he is.

Cage called him a serial killer, and I think this is the truth. No matter if you label him vigilante, and if you consider all his victims to be deserving of death, that is neither here nor there.

When he is killing murderers and pedophiles, it is easy to justify his actions, but as far as I known guys like goldbug and the jester were just thieves, so why the harsh Punishment.

I might reconsider my position on him after reading the Born miniseries were he seemed to have voices in his head... Maybe that was his conscience? Or Mephisto, **** if I know.
 
Well, Hitler was pretty insane by the end there, pal.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right, and while pulling out the small intestines of a Rumanian Slaver and waking him up to let him see it might be cool, its still wrong...Ok its cool. As for Millar, his violence is pretty...I dunno, bland. Maybe its because of Hitch's cleaner pencils but Garth's violence seems all the more...well...violent. Also, with the way the Ultimates are going (killing every villain they encounter within 1 arc) I doubt we're going to see an Ultimates 4. I was really ticked off at the outcome of The Liberators though. Some of those characters could have really been a staying force within the Ultimate Universe
 
To be completely honest, I thought the Punisher's appearance in Runaways was a bit of poetic justice in a lot of ways; other character like Wolverine and Spider-Man almost always, always get written off-character when they appear in Punisher's books -- and when I say "off-character," mostly I mean "like foaming ******s" -- just to make Frank seem that much more badass, so I'm frankly not quite as inclined to complain when the same happens to him when he appears in other books.

"A Confedercy Of Dunces" comes to mind, a story in which :unishr: plays :spidey:, :daredevil, :wolverine, & :hulk:, like a bunch of chumps.
 
I just skimmed that issue of Runaways.....well Joss has convinced me not to buy this comic or even skim it again. That's what turned me off punisher, when ennis started doing that crap to other characters (like the above mentioned story) he personally didn't like.
 
but as far as I known guys like goldbug and the jester were just thieves, so why the harsh Punishment?


I beleive its because of the writer not fully informed on who the Punisher is. Next you have Joss here having Frank pull a gun on a kid and thats something he will never do. Writers dont like Punisher because he has no powers and they have to rely on good imaginitive storytelling which they don't want to do because it would require them to stay at the office later. :cmad:

Ok, the thing is, I notice a lot of characters seem to keep refering as Punisher as insane....I would highly, highly dispute this.

If I was DareDevil, running around in red tights capturing criminals only to defend them later, I may view the Punissher as insane. Why would he want to kill them when I can just defend them so they will be back on the street to rape or sell drugs to another kid again?

I just skimmed that issue of Runaways.....well Joss has convinced me not to buy this comic or even skim it again. That's what turned me off punisher, when ennis started doing that crap to other characters (like the above mentioned story) he personally didn't like.
stop being a whiner, Wolverine atleast got a comeback issue where he got to accuse Frank of being gay!!!! Wolverines the most overused character in Marvel history bub!! Anyway I thought that story was funny as hell!!! Frank played all those chumps!! hahahha!!!!:woot:
 
stop being a whiner, Wolverine atleast got a comeback issue where he got to accuse Frank of being gay!!!! Wolverines the most overused character in Marvel history bub!! Anyway I thought that story was funny as hell!!! Frank played all those chumps!! hahahha!!!!:woot:


But weren't you just whining about writers not knowing the character with punisher?:oldrazz:

You can't pick and choose which instances of character assassination is fine or not...
 

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