It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread! - Part 1

Discussion in 'Man of Steel' started by Thread Manager, Sep 28, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Rust

    Rust First Son Of Yesterday

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,635
    Likes Received:
    0
    Me too, man. When the bad guys are tearing up the place, I wanna go, "Damn, where's Superman?", and when he finally shows up and starts kicking ass I wanna feel like a 10-year-old again.
    Yeah, I guess if I can feel like a 10-year-old again next summer MOS will have succeeded in my book.
     
    #501
  2. StarvingArtist

    StarvingArtist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    0
    This debate is going to devolve into an endless argument over wide abstractions and assumptions about Superman which I don't have time for. But what I will say... Is how is the marketing for Nolan's batman relevant at all? I'm confused, are you trying to argue that it's not the humanity and motivations of the characters that makes the audience care about a movie?

    First of all it WAS marketed as a BW story first. Watch the trailers. The whole point of the freaking series was to feature Wayne's rise to becoming Batman. In Rises, batman is missing for the entire middle of the movie and the series even ends with him choosing to just live his life as Bruce Wayne. The crowds knew what the movies were about, and that's why they went. They arrived to see batman movies unlike anything they had seen prior; the elaborate backstory and the gritty real world setting being the hooks. Special effects and ass kicking mean little if you're not invested in the characters. If they were everything, then Batman & Robin would have won a f-ing Oscar.
     
    #502
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  3. moviedoors

    moviedoors Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,333
    Likes Received:
    8
    That scene where Iron Man shows up to kick ass for the first time is awesome precisely because of what I'm talking about. If we hadn't seen Tony's struggles, if we hadn't seen his growth, hadn't seen what it took for him to become the man who has to save lives, that scene would have been so much empty spectacle. It would have been a Transformers movie. The action was married to Tony's arc as a character. THAT is drama. That is what Man of Steel has to have to work as something more than just a bunch of worthless Bayhem.

    I want to see Clark struggle with realizing he has a two fathers. I want to see Clark pine for his home world, personified in Zod, a man who knows more about where he really came from than anyone alive. I want to see him him tempted, to fight with his two heritages, to grow, and to become the hero. The ass kicking is going to be there. The drama will make it play.

    And whether he wears his suit under his clothes or it's something more alien is kind of a minor blip in whether that's going to work or not. I just happen to lean more towards something alien, because I haven't seen that before.
     
    #503
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  4. ConnorKon-El

    ConnorKon-El Amateur Film Nerd

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2012
    Messages:
    3,001
    Likes Received:
    0
    Pretty much this. :yay:
     
    #504
  5. The Shield

    The Shield It's really Happening!

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,820
    Likes Received:
    0
    This x 2!
     
    #505
  6. nogap87

    nogap87 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,857
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have no interest in seeing Clark "pine" for something that

    A) He shouldn't miss

    and

    B) No longer exists

    Agreed.
     
    #506
  7. moviedoors

    moviedoors Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,333
    Likes Received:
    8
    He shouldn't have some interest in what the hell he is? He grows up with powers and abilities that separate him from every other creature on Earth, he learns the people he thought were his parents only adopted him, he finds out that he's not even from here, and he just shouldn't care? Come on.
     
    #507
  8. nogap87

    nogap87 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,857
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have no problem with him showing interest in why he was sent to earth. But once he finds out that his homeworld blew up than he should move on with his life. Pining for something that is long gone is a waste of time.
     
    #508
  9. 747

    747 Fanboy rivalry? Yawn.

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    4,181
    Likes Received:
    0
    Being curious about where he comes from, having feelings for the Krypton legacy, having conflicted feelings about his purpose and not always feeling like he belongs are all huge parts of the character I would say.

    I don't get some people that just want a movie where Superman punches someone and saves the day and then they are satisfied. I want that too, but I also want so much more than just that. I want a Superman movie with great action AND great drama.
     
    #509
  10. nogap87

    nogap87 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,857
    Likes Received:
    0
    I want drama too. I also want Clark to focus on the here and now. Krypton and most of its inhabitants are dead. Earth is his home now and that should be his primary concern.
     
    #510
  11. StarvingArtist

    StarvingArtist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    0
    Truth is that whether the story revolves around his heritage or his heroics, a good movie can be found in either idea as long as the characters are compelling and you care about their motivations. That's the foundation. The rest is window dressing.
     
    #511
  12. not_a_victim

    not_a_victim Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    2,059
    Likes Received:
    0
    Excellent point.
    In STM, we got only the briefest mention that Kal-El would never really fit in with humans, and that was simply in the form of exposition from Jor-El's words. It looks like this film will deal more directly with his issues of being an alien and how that affects him on different levels.
    STM simply made him out to be s super Boy Scout. MOS will hopefully make us empathize with an self-outcast.
     
    #512
  13. not_a_victim

    not_a_victim Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    2,059
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's funny that the article equates the wearing of trunks on the outside with circus strongmen, then use a photo of a strongman NOT wearing external trunks. He just wearing a singlet and a belt.
     
    #513
  14. CLARKY

    CLARKY Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2004
    Messages:
    2,842
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think you are quite wrong, but your opinion is also the opinion of a lot of people and those people, ready to pay for a "realistic" Superman, are a part of the audience anyway.
    Since you were replying to something costume-related, and since this is the costume thread, I find it caricatural to make it a point of Superman losing his popularity related to a need of an upgrade, meaning a new suit. Wow. It seems a lot of people inneed for a realistic Superman can't in fact go further than the suit. Personnaly, the trunks are great, but even if, under a weird condition, I would have to take it away, I would replace it with something red in the middle of the suit. So for me the MoS suit is pretty lame and ridiculous, but it does not mean one MUST have the trunks, it's just that there are 100 000 better idea. Let's not mix things up (not saying that you did on this precise point).
    So, the lost of popularity is not due to his suit but due to the character itself, hisway of life, his opinion, his invincibility (how many times did I hear suckers asking me "what's the fun? He can beat them all, he's invincible". Most of the time people who did not open a comicbook, and even less a Superman comic. Those same who actually loved Nolan's batman trilogy).
    So is it so difficult to understand that Superman is more than just a suit? Is it impossible to "suspend ones disbelief" andjust accept that on Krypton people wear the "underwear on the outside"?
    Honestly: no it's not. It's easy. The problem is not in the character but in the people. Superman is out of place, like you stated, and right now what works is demystified heroes, I-explained-everything-heroes. Bourne, Bond, batman, New Spidey, etc... Simple pattern to follow. They do it with Superman. So they are going to explain why a guy from Krypton would feel the need to wear tights!!! forbattle while taking the trunks out because it'sa bit "lame"?!?
    Throughout the internet there are thousand of ideas illustrating a better suit than the one in MoS WHILE taking the trunks away AND keeping a red part, a red something. Superman's trunks are only a problem when yousee themas a problem. I just thought it was part of the suit, I don't need explanation, I don't need upgrade on the suit. Upgrade the character maybe but the suit? The ****ing suit?????
    You'll notice that Batman is the champion of stealth, better than the US marines (!!) while having a cape of 3 meters long.... If I lower my suspension of disbelief to the level of Trunks non-acceptance, I can't accept the batcape.
     
    #514
  15. Zeerola

    Zeerola Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2012
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0
    That why the cape was given purpose in the Nolan movies. It was made of memory cloth so it could be used for flying. This could actually work if the cape was bigger and it looked impresive so people suspended their disbelief.

    The red trunks look silly. I know that they are iconic and whatnot but still silly.
     
    #515
  16. redhawk23

    redhawk23 Wrestlin'

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2008
    Messages:
    16,927
    Likes Received:
    1

    Except even those parts sucked...
     
    #516
  17. StarvingArtist

    StarvingArtist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    0
    Touché
     
    #517
  18. GregoryGruesome

    GregoryGruesome New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    I had a thought. In regards to going back to the traditional suit after MOS... What if he (Clark) makes some changes to the suit to make it look less alien and more earthly after the events of MOS. I mean, from the set pics Zod wears a suit very similar to Clark's, so maybe he redesigns it to be something similar? Trunks and all... I dunno, just a though I had this afternoon.

    I do like the new suit, granted. I was just musing.
     
    #518
  19. Glassjaw

    Glassjaw In training

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,414
    Likes Received:
    0
    Without having seen the costume in action, I think its gone down well enough with those who've seen the set pictures to not have to revert back to the trunks. And the better the film is, the more forgiving people will be about costume or story changes.

    That said, it seems like every super hero costume gets updated or tweaked in some way come the sequel, so I'm sure if we get MOS2, I think we could see more changes.
     
    #519
  20. sf2

    sf2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    6,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    inedde. but the key word is "the BETTER the film is" if the film just a 'regular' superhero film, it will get whacked severely for all those changes.
     
    #520
  21. spidermanJLA!~

    spidermanJLA!~ SUPERHERO

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,270
    Likes Received:
    0
  22. Kal-El.9859

    Kal-El.9859 Trust No One

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Messages:
    11,872
    Likes Received:
    0
    haven't you guys heard?? This is the most disappointing film of 2012....and EVER!!!

    smh Yahoo!
     
    #522
  23. StarvingArtist

    StarvingArtist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    0
    Poster would have been more effective if it had been shot from the back with Superman's hands cuffed behind him. And even moreso if there were only a damn S emblem on the back of the cape.
     
    #523
  24. spidermanJLA!~

    spidermanJLA!~ SUPERHERO

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,270
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think that they wanted to flaunt the emblem.
     
    #524
  25. StarvingArtist

    StarvingArtist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    0
    Of course they did. Which is why I said it would have been great if they had included the cape emblem. Nevermind about aesthetics, (even though it does look awesome) from a simple marketing point of view, having the cape emblem gives Superman more branding power from angles other then front view.
     
    #525
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"