It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread! - Part 1

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  1. dabilee01

    dabilee01 Well-Known Member

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    now, see, to me, i find it more believable for a nano-tech suit to exist than him wearing it under his clothes. krypton was light years ahead in technology, so it's not a stretch for me to believe it could exist (especially if tony stark can make it exist, and he's just a human).

    i always think of this snl skit when i think of the whole 'suspension of belief' with regard to the whole clark/superman dynamic:

    http://www.trilulilu.ro/video-divertisment/the-rock-is-superman

    amusing, yes, but it also brings up valid points.
     
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    Mindreaper21 It's Harvest Time

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  3. DoomsdayApex

    DoomsdayApex Well-Known Member

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    What the hell are you talking about?

    Superman possessing a Kryptonian Nanosuit is significantly more believable than him carrying the suit around in his briefcase or his business attire. In my opinion, it's less believable for an alien that came across the galaxy (from an advanced civilization) to jump into a phone booth and change into the 'super' suit.
     
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  4. StarvingArtist

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    Are you guys insane? lol

    Just so I'm clear, you're saying it's easier for you to buy the idea of super-sophisticated, nano-tech tights and cape activated by a giant chest mounted Superman S button, all from a fictional planet populated by aliens who look completely human... then it is for you to believe that he simply wears a skin tight costume under his clothes?

    Fair nuff.

    If you buy that then why not just give Superman super-masonry vision?

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    I’d describe the distinction this way:

    Generally, audiences will accept outlandish, sci-fi concepts as genre conventions. As long as the context is well established (advanced aliens or a future society) we’ll allow “warp drives” or “heat vision.” The pretext, I suppose, is that this stuff is so unfamiliar - so far beyond everyday experience - that we’re in no position to question or criticize it.

    That said, we do (legitimately) demand that the more mundane elements of a fantasy story conform to common sense. Zombies may be invading :wow: - but telephones, cars and elevators should work in the familiar, believable ways.

    And I think most people see the traditional Superman disguise as being in the "familiar category." It’s obviously not one of his superpowers or some other sci-fi conceit; it’s just a normal disguise. So we expect it to have a reasonable degree of realism and plausibility. And if it doesn’t… then you might actually be better off going for a futuristic “nano suit” - which is exempted from "mundane standards" by its very nature.
     
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  6. StarvingArtist

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    lol Let's not blow.... this out of proportion... :hoboj:

    I'm sorry you somehow missed the point of my post. I never said I thought him changing in a phone booth, or him carrying a costume in a suit case was believable either. But thanks for the words, they were delicious.


    Maybe it's not even that I think Kryptonian nano-tech tights and a cape aren't believable, maybe I just think it's stupid and too convenient? Then again maybe that equates to being unbelievable.

    Great post, I just disagree with your conclusions. Convenient Nano-tech suit stretches the imagination to a breaking point.
     
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  7. nogap87

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    Not really digging nano-suit technology. It's a needless "upgrade" for a character like Superman.
     
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  8. Kal-El.9859

    Kal-El.9859 Trust No One

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    I'm with you....
     
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  9. DoomsdayApex

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    I don't see how it's too stupid and/or convenient. Superman has always had a Sci-Fi background. Therefore, nanotechnology (or anything similar) was eventually going to be introduced to the character at one point or another. Kal-El is a being from a planet/civilization that is ages ahead of Earth's.

    I mean, is it truly "convenient" that alien technology is far superior to anything found on Earth? No, it's logical.
     
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  10. DoomsdayApex

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    Not really. There's a reason why Superman is losing his popularity with the modern audience. It's the identical reason why Returns received a 'meh' reaction.

    He's a product of a different era, and hasn't changed with the times like Batman and Spiderman have recently. For alot of people out there, the perception is Kal-El is stuck in the 80s.

    Upgrades are essential if you want the audience to respond.
     
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  11. Dr.

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    Well… depends on the context. Even among James Bond’s collection of semi-silly gadgets, a self-assembling “nano suit” would certainly stand out as over-the-top. But in a fantasy story about an alien society, interstellar spacecraft and weapons (not to mention superpowers)… not so much.

    I recall a comic in which Clark had to hide his super suit because he was meeting friends at a gym. He accomplished this by compressing it to tablet-size (and popping it under his tongue!). And according to the thought bubble, Supes can conceal his CK business suit and shoes in a similar manner.

    Now if that “explanation” doesn’t stretch the imagination to the breaking point… then a nano suit won’t either. :cwink:
     
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  12. ConnorKon-El

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    [​IMG]

    And it looks like Snyder and Nolan realized this, as those red trunks have been terminated.
     
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    :applaud:

    Excellent post, good sir. I certainly agree on all accounts.
     
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  14. DoomsdayApex

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    I love the fact that Goyer, Nolan and Snyder discussed the 'outdated' concepts that surrounds the character in the comics, and what works for his in his own universe. I'm ecstatic about it. I've been wanting to see a fresh take on the character for awhile. :up:
     
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    ConnorKon-El Amateur Film Nerd

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    Me as well, I'm quite excited to see what they brought to the table, and all i can hope is that it's an original and different take on the character, while still be faithful to Superman's mythology.
     
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    EDIT: ....lol I had a big long rebuttal I was going to post, but then I realized how short life is. Maybe I'll come back and chime in if the topic is still hot, but bottom line, you want to like the nano-tights? Go ahead and like it :up:


    (shout out to TDK, you're the man.)
     
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  17. TheWatcher

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    Oh I thought they were talking about a Justice movie.
     
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  18. xmangambit

    xmangambit I come fom the net...

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    I just want to know where it goes when not in use. This will be the make or break of it.

    If it goes inside his body... I don't know how I feel about it. Then it's augmentation. He's like a cyborg. Get's rid of feeling connected to him as a person because he altered, before he was a person with extra-ordinary powers and was fun. But a cyborg, if I wanted that I would go play Deus Ex or watch host in the shell.

    If it goes inside the necklace or ring he wears then what the hell happens if it's misplaced or someone else gets it?

    It's a bit spurious. I'm up in the air I do like the concept but there's con's to the pros.
     
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  19. StarvingArtist

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    This

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    is better,
    then this.

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  20. WoodyROM

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    While I don't share your fondness of wearing the suit under his clothes, this is hard to argue with :)

    I fully believe that Snyder and co. have put plenty of thought into this. Their answer will be met with mixed feelings I'm sure, but I can't wait to see it!!
     
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  21. nogap87

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    Honestly, I would probably be more accepting of the nano-suit idea if it was anywhere close to being duplicated in the real world. I know Superman is a comic book about an alien with super powers and should not be limited to more reality based concepts. I just feel that giving him an overly fancy costume that spreads over his body further emphasizes that he is an alien and goes against the purpose of making him more relatable.
     
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  22. moviedoors

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    I hope they are emphasizing that he's an alien. Born of another world, raised on this one. I hope they push that dichotomy, that conflict, to the forefront. It's so clearly one of the key aspects of Superman's mythology that is ripe for drama.
     
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  23. nogap87

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    Meh. At this point I'm sure most movie goers would rather see Superman punch something rather than a rehash of the "I have two daddies" issue. Seeing how Krypton will be blown to bits I don't really care for it to be mentioned much once Clark gets to earth.
     
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  24. StarvingArtist

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    I'm curious, what makes you think that will make good drama? What are you hoping to see?

    Personally, what I want to see is innocent, decent people and their kids in terrifying as f-ck danger, either by disaster or villain..... Then Superman swooping in to save the day and look badass doing it. The kind of formula that made that scene in the first Iron Man so satisfying. I want people to root for Superman again.
     
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  25. DoomsdayApex

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    I'm sorry, but I'm not buying what you're selling. Superman's heritage (and nano-tech suit) doesn't make him any less relatable to the general audience whatsoever. Kal-El has always been a man of two worlds. Why would it be any different now?

    What Snyder, Nolan and Goyer have done is humanize Superman but also showcased him as this ass-kicking titan.

    At any rate, it won't be Kal-El's humanity that will bring forth the audience. For instance, Nolan's Batman wasn't marketed as Bruce Wayne's story at first. The crowd arrived for Batman potentially beating criminals into a bloody pulp but they were also treated to a grand story involving the man behind the symbol and legend.

    Superman's Kryptonian heritage doesn't hinder a damn thing. It's all in the writing and execution.
     
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