Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[Zarex]

The difference is for most people disney were right to sack him.

Agree to disagree!

 

[Lilbaz]

Agree to disagree!

It's a discussion forum if we all agreed to disagree it would be pretty boring. Suit yourself.

We'll have to wait and see if they rehire him or not.

 

[DACrowe]

Then he should have deleted them when he joined disney. He didn't, then used his new found fame and twitter as a political tool which was then turned against him. He has to take his share of the blame and the consequences.

From here he needs to rebuild his career. Do some indy films (which if successful) in a few years this would have died down and a big studio will rehire him.

People are acting like he has been put out on the street or something? He will be fine and is a very wealthy man. Yes it is a shame that this happened but maybe he should have thought what direction he wanted his career to go in when making those tweets.

As I said in my last post, it is also somewhat the principle of the thing. What he did was crude, tasteless, and horrible... but they were just words, bad jokes that should never be made. They didn't harm people (and I'm not talking about "triggering"), and he has changed a great deal since then, including by bringing awareness (again) to how our government is allowing undocumented children to be abused by their own employees! So for Gunn to be blacklisted is simply wrong and is a bad look on Disney and Marvel.

And if he really is blacklisted for a "few years" as you suggest (I'll believe the rumors Disney is talking to him when a more concrete source reports it), it could do permanent damage to his career, never mind this franchise. While many will say, "good," I again just see echoes of the red scare.

 

[DACrowe]

This is coming from Variety, though. Variety is the most reputable source for all things movies. So if they say it may be on the table, I tend to believe them.

Oh I didn't see Variety was also saying it... still it sounds like they're basing it on Disney's radio silence. I hope they do rehire him, they should and the smug "burn him" segment of social media, not just the cybernazis, will be thunderstruck. But I doubt it is to be.

The difference is for most people disney were right to sack him.

Most? Or just a loud segment of internet culture.

 

[Ultron]

Not condoning the comments, in poor taste and bad but....

If it wasn't worth making a big deal of back then, why is it now? Fast forward to 2018 and NOW suddenly the jokes are upsetting and offensive enough that people want action?....

(Obviously Gunn is a bigger deal now and its more convenient to go after him, but still...)

 

[HunBoy]

What will say the fans if Disney rehire James Gunn but GOTG 3 will be worse thans GOTG 2...

 

[Spider-Fan]

If it is not the best GotG film, I would say I am glad he made it anyway. He deserved to have that chance.

 

[DACrowe]

Yes. If this is their last film together (Disney/Marvel and Gunn), fine. Let them end it his way and they can go off and make more cookie cutter stuff in the cosmic side after he is gone.

 

[AlluAllu]

Then he should have deleted them when he joined disney. He didn't, then used his new found fame and twitter as a political tool which was then turned against him. He has to take his share of the blame and the consequences.

Perhaps. But deleting them might be trying to hide ugly stuff and be dishonest. People should own up to their past and then grow from it.

Maybe Gunn should have released a statement when he was hired. "I used to say offensive stuff to provoke and entertain people. Those words don't reflect who I truly am and I'm not going to tell jokes like that again." Or something like that.

But of course even then Disney wouldn't have wanted to bring attention to those tweets. And in that scenario Gunn wouldn't have had years to build the trust in him.

I think there were four distinct choices for Disney back then:

- Move on quietly from tweets and hope that something like this won't happen.

- Address them early on and hope that the public lets you proceed.

- Delete them and hope something like this won't happen.

- Don't hire Gunn at all.

All of those choices have some negative aspects.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So let's fire RDJ right now then. Even though he has redeemed himself, he was a scumbag like 15 years ago. Just blacklist him again

I'm sorry, but I believe in second chances.

I believe in second chances. What I am asking is why does getting a second chance entitle anyone to anything? Also RDJ has a disease. It is not the same thing.

Can we be honest here. The only reason this is about giving people second chances, is because its a guy people here liked the movies of. If say, Snyder was fired for doing something like this, do people think the same uproar would be coming from the same people? Even with the cast and Blair, there is a level of, "its happening to our guy, so now we care".

 

[Spider-Fan]

I believe in second chances. What I am asking is why does getting a second chance entitle anyone to anything? Also RDJ has a disease. It is not the same thing.

Can we be honest here. The only reason this is about giving people second chances, is because its a guy people here liked the movies of. If say, Snyder was fired for doing something like this, do people think the same uproar would be coming from the same people? Even with the cast and Blair, there is a level of, "its happening to our guy, so now we care".

That probably makes a difference to some, but not to me. I'd feel the same way if it was Zack Snyder or Michael Bay.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh I didn't see Variety was also saying it... still it sounds like they're basing it on Disney's radio silence. I hope they do rehire him, they should and the smug "burn him" segment of social media, not just the cybernazis, will be thunderstruck. But I doubt it is to be.

They wouldn't say something like that unless they heard it was on the table. Though I am curious how high on the ladder that conversation is. In the end it is Iger's decision, or at least Iger gets to decide who makes the decision.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That probably makes a difference to some, but not to me. I'd feel the same way if it was Zack Snyder or Michael Bay.

But my man, you have been in here saying you understand what happened, but want him reinstated specifically from a creative point of view. So while I think the principle would be the same, perhaps not the passion?

 

[Spider-Fan]

But my man, you have been in here saying you understand what happened, but want him reinstated specifically from a creative point of view. So while I think the principle would be the same, perhaps not the passion?

It's not that I don't understand the decision, I just don't agree with it in. Now is my level of care enhanced by the property in question? I would be lying if I said it likely didn't. I mean, if this happened to Robert Rodriguez for the new Alita: Battle Angel movie, I probably would not be as active on the issue. But then again, I possibly would have given I followed the whole Rosanne deal when it happened for days and I don't watch that show (though as noted earlier, I see these situations being different). Either way, I'm arguing the decision on a moral front at this point. Not on a legal or PR front.

 

[Lilbaz]

Oh I didn't see Variety was also saying it... still it sounds like they're basing it on Disney's radio silence. I hope they do rehire him, they should and the smug "burn him" segment of social media, not just the cybernazis, will be thunderstruck. But I doubt it is to be.



Most? Or just a loud segment of internet culture.

No i'd say most people that spend money on disney products. If you walked round disney land and showed people those tweets and ask them were disney right to fire gunn i bet the majority would say yes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No i'd say most people that spend money on disney products. If you walked round disney land and showed people those tweets and ask them were disney right to fire gunn i bet the majority would say yes.

Context matters though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Context matters though.

But what would be the context? That he use to make jokes about the rape of children and adults online? That it was 6-10 years ago? Like I imagine taking this poll at the gates of the Disney parks, and I just don't think they go, "well in that case, its okay".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not that I don't understand the decision, I just don't agree with it in. Now is my level of care enhanced by the property in question? I would be lying if I said it likely didn't. I mean, if this happened to Robert Rodriguez for the new Alita: Battle Angel movie, I probably would not be as active on the issue. But then again, I possibly would have given I followed the whole Rosanne deal when it happened for days and I don't watch that show (though as noted earlier, I see these situations being different). Either way, I'm arguing the decision on a moral front at this point. Not on a legal or PR front.

What is the moral issue with firing him in your opinion? For me, when it comes to the morality of the situation, this is a you reap what you sow situation.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But what would be the context? That he use to make jokes about the rape of children and adults online? That it was 6-10 years ago? Like I imagine taking this poll at the gates of the Disney parks, and I just don't think they go, "well in that case, its okay".

I do think time frame and how someone changes does matter. Otherwise I could just show any random mug shot and do the same thing. Heck, I could even probably do that for RDJ if I wanted to and get a similar reaction.

 

[Zarex]

Can we be honest here. The only reason this is about giving people second chances, is because its a guy people here liked the movies of. If say, Snyder was fired for doing something like this, do people think the same uproar would be coming from the same people? Even with the cast and Blair, there is a level of, "its happening to our guy, so now we care".

To be honest, if Gunn decided to hang up his megaphone (Directors use those, right?) after GOTG Vol 2 I would have been fine with the decision. Iff Feige decided to move on from Gunn for creative reasons or personal conflict between the two, well what can you do?

I care about Gunn's firing because this was a cybernazi hit against a person who had done nothing wrong during his tenure at Marvel Studios outside of attacking the garbage human currently despoiling the White House. I care because I find judging people's morality based on a baker's dozen of gross jokes to be offensive. And I would have felt the same if this were Snyder, Scorsese or Uwe Boll.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What is the moral issue with firing him in your opinion? For me, when it comes to the morality of the situation, this is a you reap what you sow situation.

The moral issue is that they're firing him for things they already knew he did well after he wasn't doing them anymore. It's like I am McDonalds and I hire a guy that was in jail. I hire him knowing this. He is a model employee. Treats people well and people love him. Then years later I fire him because he was in jail before I hired him. I don't think that is right.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I do think time frame and how someone changes does matter. Otherwise I could just show any random mug shot and do the same thing. Heck, I could even probably do that for RDJ if I wanted to and get a similar reaction.

What would you say about RDJ? He has a disease that saw him as an addict a 12-15 years ago?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To be honest, if Gunn decided to hang up his megaphone (Directors use those, right?) after GOTG Vol 2 I would have been fine with the decision. Iff Feige decided to move on from Gunn for creative reasons or personal conflict between the two, well what can you do?

I care about Gunn's firing because this was a cybernazi hit against a person who had done nothing wrong during his tenure at Marvel Studios outside of attacking the garbage human currently despoiling the White House. I care because I find judging people's morality based on a baker's dozen of gross jokes to be offensive. And I would have felt the same if this were Snyder, Scorsese or Uwe Boll.

How did you react to the Sam Seder situation? Did you spend a lot of time discussing it?

 

[Spider-Fan]

What would you say about RDJ? He has a disease that saw him as an addict a 12-15 years ago?

He was an addict and he changed. So people can change, correct? Why is James Gunn different? Is the Darthskywalker I am talking to now the same guy he was 10 years ago? Did you ever think anything was funny when you were young Darth that you're not proud of now? Have you had moments you regret that you're glad people don't judge the entire basis of your character on?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The moral issue is that they're firing him for things they already knew he did well after he wasn't doing them anymore. It's like I am McDonalds and I hire a guy that was in jail. I hire him knowing this. He is a model employee. Treats people well and people love him. Then years later I fire him because he was in jail before I hired him. I don't think that is right.

Actually I feel like it would be more like the guy told me he went to jail, and I was cool hiring but he didn't tell us why he went to jail and maybe implied it wasn't as bad as one might come to find out. And then you find out you hired a someone who didn't disclose a crime that you wouldn't have hired him for.

Does anyone here really think that Bob Iger and Alan Horn knew the specifics of this 6 years ago? Honestly, by the speed of firing, I'd say not. Remember, Gunn never apologized for these tweets. It was that gross as hell blog post he made, that was sexist, homophobic and I also believe racist.

I also think this is a context thing, but the opposite way others might say. Like making gross past transgression and moving on when those things weren't considered so bad, doesn't change what you did and if context shows it as worse now, I think that matters. Just saying it was in the past, in a different climate, doesn't really change it imo.