Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[Zarex]

That’s what I’m saying. I work in entertainment, I know a contingency plan when I see one. For Gunn to be so silent and so innocent for the last month, he surely has been awfully quiet. Just making an observation, but someone had to have found something more than just some tweets.

If you’re innocent and you know that’s not your character, you’d defend yourself and your career to the end. As quiet as Gunn is, someone had to have pulled his card.

See, I see Gunn acting all innocent because he is. I see someone who was wrongfully terminated for a handful of stupid jokes made (mostly) before he was hired. He is being quiet now because he already apologized for the tweets that have caused all of the pearl clutching.

And Gunn doesn't have any need to defend himself. His cast and crew, friends and supporters along with his terrific body of work are doing that for him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That’s what I’m saying. I work in entertainment, I know a contingency plan when I see one. For Gunn to be so silent and so innocent for the last month, he surely has been awfully quiet. Just making an observation, but someone had to have found something more than just some tweets.

If you’re innocent and you know that’s not your character, you’d defend yourself and your career to the end. As quiet as Gunn is, someone had to have pulled his card.

Not everyone is the type to make it a huge, public outcry. Especially if he is maybe trying to work something out with Disney behind the scenes (we don't know).

 

[The Sand Master]

It is most certainly child abuse. It is rape. Its just not pedophilia.

A 14 year old is a child, stop it.


If there were as many cases of male teachers engaging in sex (or rape as you call it) with underrage female students, there would already be a trending hashtag.

I think the term you're looking for is ephebophilia.

 

[Samuron]

If you’re innocent and you know that’s not your character, you’d defend yourself and your career to the end. As quiet as Gunn is, someone had to have pulled his card.

So, based on nothing other than "he's being too quiet", you're making the leap to asserting he must be guilty.

By the same fallacious reasoning, we could suspect you based on "methinks they doth protest too much".

That's how witch hunts work. Without evidence, your assertion is baseless and inflammatory.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

If there were anything worse than the tweets, my guess is that it would have already come out. I suspect that’s why the initial response from the cast took a while to come out. Everyone was waiting for the other shoe to drop...and it never did.

As for the silence on Disney’s part, if I had to guess I’d say it’s a combination of still trying to figure out what to do and hoping that if they just keep their corporate mouth shut this will all die down and go away.

Just my $0.02.

 

[MadVillainy]

Gunn is silent because there's nothing to say. Like it's not a he said she said thing. He wrote those tweets. End of story

Him complaining that he got fired won't help anything

 

[Travesty]

I don't agree with Gunn being fired, but I'm not going to defend the guy. He was advocating these types of witch hunt practices just a few weeks before he was let go, so while I don't agree with it, I'm not going to defend him.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The tweets were disgusting. I don't think anyone's really arguing that. Someone wrote earlier that the past can haunt you and that's a great point. But people can change and it seems like Gunn straightened out all right.

Meanwhile, he made GOTG a billion dollar property. Pretty crummy payback from Disney if you ask me. Gunn's unceremonious dismissal was basically treating him like utter trash. The process at the very least should have taken a little longer - an investigation could have been announced. If he still ended up leaving the project afterward so be it but they didn't do right by him.

And whoever dug up those tweets wasn't whiteknighting. I don't believe for a second they care about kids - this smacks of nothing more than a political takedown - just like with Franken. If it comes out that Gunn is a pedo well then I'll sing a different tune but I really don't believe he is.

I'm sure the "cybernazis" will be coming for Chris Evans next.

 

[JtheDreamer]

It's still ironic that anyone is trying to play the sympathy card for him when in reality he was inciting the same "cybernazi" behavior some of you are clamoring about. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It takes some serious ego to engage in that kind of behavior knowing he still had all those despicable things up on his Twitter even after he joined Disney.

But therein lies my biggest problem with Gunn i.e. his complete and utter lack of self-awareness - or is it ego? You'd think a guy who experienced child abuse himself would find the subject so deplorable that tweeting heinous comments in satire would be unfathomable to him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even the thought of Pirates 6 exhausts me...

The chance to see Keira as Elizabeth again is the only reason I care. But if Depp is in it, I won't watch it in theaters. The man has ruined two of my favorite franchises for me.

 

[ouroboros]

She did try to explain and apologize. She did it all over twitter for hours. She kept on changing her excuse.

I agree that Roseanne did indeed keep changing her excuse, but does that mean that the one in which she claimed ignorance of VJ's race is necessarily incorrect?

 

[ouroboros]

Yes. Very small children. Prepubescent according to the actual definition. Sadly, I know this thanks to Roman Polanski and Bryan Singer. If some teacher was molestating or raping a 10 year old child, it wouldn't matter if they were a boy or girl.

One might choose to add Marion Zimmer Bradley's name to the list.

 

[ouroboros]

Oh well perhaps we disagree.


I am of the belief that a male 'comedian' would be less inclined to joke about having sex with a female child.


I also believe in general that modern day society is a lot more reactionary when females in general, regardless of age, are victims of an injustice. I mean hell people lost their jobs because of ACCUSATIONS of abuse, even though the abuse had yet to be proven.

I would tend to agree that current American culture does not take male molestation nearly as seriously. While modern movies don't exactly "prove" anything, I've been noticing that a lot of current films are pretty comfortable with showing men (admittedly not kids) getting molested in some way. The recent BAYWATCH remake comes to mind as a popcorn flick that depends heavily on said humor.

 

[ouroboros]

I actually think Bautista doing this is important. This situation was a screw up from day one because Disney turned a grey situation into something black and white. The lesson here has to be to not rush to judgment, because reputations and careers are being weaponised by unsavoury characters.

I suspect Disney's "zero tolerance" position is legal in nature.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree that Roseanne did indeed keep changing her excuse, but does that mean that the one in which she claimed ignorance of VJ's race is necessarily incorrect?

It definitely hurts its credibility. I mean, if it was the truth, why even suggest anything else? Why start claiming it was medications fault?

 

[ouroboros]

I don't agree with Gunn being fired, but I'm not going to defend the guy. He was advocating these types of witch hunt practices just a few weeks before he was let go, so while I don't agree with it, I'm not going to defend him.

I haven't heard of Gunn advocating any witch hunts, only heard that he was very anti-Trump. Can you specify on Gunn's witch hunts?

 

[superion]

The tweets were disgusting. I don't think anyone's really arguing that. Someone wrote earlier that the past can haunt you and that's a great point. But people can change and it seems like Gunn straightened out all right.

Meanwhile, he made GOTG a billion dollar property. Pretty crummy payback from Disney if you ask me. Gunn's unceremonious dismissal was basically treating him like utter trash. The process at the very least should have taken a little longer - an investigation could have been announced. If he still ended up leaving the project afterward so be it but they didn't do right by him.

And whoever dug up those tweets wasn't whiteknighting. I don't believe for a second they care about kids - this smacks of nothing more than a political takedown - just like with Franken. If it comes out that Gunn is a pedo well then I'll sing a different tune but I really don't believe he is.

This. Its amazing to me that some people on this thread are implying he's a pedo based on no evidence other than some tasteless jokes.

 

[honestbharani]

By wanting him reinstated it’s saying it’s okay for him to continue on. He doesn’t need to be directing movies, the man needs clinical therapy.

It would be true if he were doing it today. Fact is, it happened years ago and he on his own owned up to all his faults and accepted that he had to become a better person and has since then gone on and done just that, from all accounts. You can't punish a person for wrongs they committed ages ago and already took steps on their own to become better people. Its a stupid message to provide to society.

 

[TheVileOne]

I haven't heard of Gunn advocating any witch hunts, only heard that he was very anti-Trump. Can you specify on Gunn's witch hunts?

I can't find it now, but I recall an incident in the past where he advocated looking through someone's Twitter history to expose them or get them in trouble. That's the closest example I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[samsnee]

As much as I loathe how all this brought to light, I’ve come around to the idea that Gunn really did this to himself. He may be a better person today, but he didn’t he delete those vile messages as soon as he signed up with Marvel and Disney? The Disney brand is targeting toward kids and families and I can’t think of something more opposite of that than pedophilia.

He should have deleted his social account years ago when he apologized the first time.

 

[Zarex]

As much as I loathe how all this brought to light, I’ve come around to the idea that Gunn really did this to himself. He may be a better person today, but he didn’t he delete those vile messages as soon as he signed up with Marvel and Disney? The Disney brand is targeting toward kids and families and I can’t think of something more opposite of that than pedophilia.

He should have deleted his social account years ago when he apologized the first time.

It's setting a bad precedent to expect artists to delete their past before doing business with the Mouse. Every comedian worth their salt has done jokes about pedophilia, incest, rape and other unsavory topics (But not Cosby! He NEVER worked blue!). Should they be forced to wipe out their past work and pledge to never, ever make another filthy joke in order to be welcomed into Disney's good graces? That seems silly to me.

Gunn made a handful of gross comments years ago and Disney, in their effort to be consistent after the Roseanne firing, tossed him overboard even though the two situations are nothing alike. The outrage over Gunn's potty mouth would have been over in a week if handled correctly. I give Gunn a teeny tiny portion of the blame for this ongoing debacle with the majority of the fault on the Mouse.

 

[DACrowe]

Yes, the irony is many fanboy darlings have gone there for humor, although not as tastelessly as Gunn. Including Taika Waititi in Hunt for the Wilderpeople, Ryan Reynolds in both Deadpools, and Donald Glover in his stand up comedy and pre-fame internet skits. I suppose they should all be run out on a rail and get "clinical therapy."

I am not condoning the awfulness of Gunn's jokes, but we're becoming quite like Claude Rains in Casablanca. "I'm shocked, SHOCKED that there's gambling going on here!"

 

[Travesty]

I haven't heard of Gunn advocating any witch hunts, only heard that he was very anti-Trump. Can you specify on Gunn's witch hunts?

He said it all the time on his twitter. Anytime someone he didn't like got fired for saying things on social media, he would always say, "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences". He did it quite a bit.


So you can go there if you want, but before he was fired, the dude tweeted like a 13 year old who just got a smartphone for the first time. So you'll have to wade through hundreds or even thousands of Trump/Russia conspiracies and anti-Trump tweets. I honestly don't understand how he had so much time on twitter?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequence. That is 100% true. But a company firing him for tweets they no doubt knew about when he was hired after he stopped doing it and made them over a billion is a bad look.

 

[Travesty]

I don’t care, that’s not my point. I already said I don’t agree with his termination, but I can’t defend the guy, because he advocated these practices.