Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[Zarex]

I don’t care, that’s not my point. I already said I don’t agree with his termination, but I can’t defend the guy, because he advocated these practices.

If you actually think Gunn was advocating for pedophilia or sexual assault you don't know how jokes work.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you actually think Gunn was advocating for pedophilia or sexual assault you don't know how jokes work.

I believe he means the dig up old tweets and hold people's words against them practice is what he meant Gunn supported.

 

[Zarex]

I believe he means the dig up old tweets and hold people's words against them practice is what he meant Gunn supported.

Well, if true that was damn stupid of Gunn and I hope he has learned a valuable lesson. But he was fired for the tweets, not for being a hypocrite, and I don't think ANYBODY should face termination for awful tweets that were subsequently disavowed.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I believe he means the dig up old tweets and hold people's words against them practice is what he meant Gunn supported.

I really need to see evidence of this because all of this sounds like hearsay. I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but the only thing I've seen Gunn do on Twitter other than talk about movies is speak out against the atrocities of the Trump admin. From where I'm sitting that put a giant target on his back. Disney took the bait and kicked to the curb one of their best creators.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree. Even if he said that, it changes nothing for me. I don't believe if you ever said in your life "I'll kill you" and then you get falsely charged for murder that you're not being wronged because you said it.

 

[Travesty]

I really need to see evidence of this because all of this sounds like hearsay. I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but the only thing I've seen Gunn do on Twitter other than talk about movies is speak out against the atrocities of the Trump admin. From where I'm sitting that put a giant target on his back. Disney took the bait and kicked to the curb one of their best creators.

You're gonna have to go on his twitter and find them, as I've seen him do it multiple times. Granted, he may have deleted some of them, as he deleted this one, but I found a screen grab, which I saw him tweet it live. In fact, the thread is still there to see, but this tweet that started the thread has been deleted, but he reiterates the "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line within that thread.



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[Zarex]

You're gonna have to go on his twitter and find them, as I've seen him do it multiple times. Granted, he may have deleted some of them, as he deleted this one, but I found a screen grab, which I saw him tweet it live. In fact, the thread is still there to see, but this tweet that started the thread has been deleted, but he reiterates the "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line within that thread.



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It's not as though Mr. Gunn was hoisted on his own petard. He was simply stating facts, not encouraging folks to dig up the opposition's old tweets.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

You're gonna have to go on his twitter and find them, as I've seen him do it multiple times. Granted, he may have deleted some of them, as he deleted this one, but I found a screen grab, which I saw him tweet it live. In fact, the thread is still there to see, but this tweet that started the thread has been deleted, but he reiterates the "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line within that thread.



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The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

That one tweet you cite doesn't fit the narrative of hypocrisy because A) Roseanne's offenses occurred while employed by Disney and B) Gunn has accepted the decision by Disney regardless of the differences between his situation and Roseanne's and after issuing a public and graceful apology hasn't been heard from since. Where's the hypocrisy?

And as mentioned he wasn't fired for hypocrisy. But that seems to be a big deal to certain people. As if it makes his firing somehow more just?

 

[Travesty]

lol, jesus christ, the amount of backpedaling and the endless maze of semantics to defend Gunn at all costs, is dizzying at best.

 

[terry78]

https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-3-james-gunn-script-disney/

So now word is they may be canning his script in favor of a rewrite if they move ahead.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

lol, jesus christ, the amount of backpedaling and the endless maze of semantics to defend Gunn at all costs, is dizzying at best.

Backpedaling? Semantics?

I asked for proof and you provide none and refute none of my arguments. It doesn't get any plainer than that.

And if you look at my posts I am not defending Gunn at all costs. His tweets were despicable.

Lastly, please don't use the Lord's name in vain. Some of us care about stuff like that.

 

[Travesty]

Oh jesus. I said I don't agree with Gunn's termination, but I can't defend him, because he was fine with these practices being used. You asked for proof. I showed you one instance. You then claim that doesn't count, because Gunn's tweets were old, and Roseanne's were new while she was employed, and Gunn accepted his termination. lolwut? What does that have to do with what I said? What does Gunn accepting his termination have to do with what I said? How does Gunn's tweets being old have to do with what I said? What does Rosanne being employed while she tweeted these things have to do with what I said?

How is this not dizzying to you?

 

[TheVileOne]

I really need to see evidence of this because all of this sounds like hearsay. I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but the only thing I've seen Gunn do on Twitter other than talk about movies is speak out against the atrocities of the Trump admin. From where I'm sitting that put a giant target on his back. Disney took the bait and kicked to the curb one of their best creators.

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I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn’t. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn’t mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent.

 

[TheVileOne]

Oh jesus. I said I don't agree with Gunn's termination, but I can't defend him, because he was fine with these practices being used. You asked for proof. I showed you one instance. You then claim that doesn't count, because Gunn's tweets were old, and Roseanne's were new while she was employed, and Gunn accepted his termination. lolwut? What does that have to do with what I said? What does Gunn accepting his termination have to do with what I said? How does Gunn's tweets being old have to do with what I said? What does Rosanne being employed while she tweeted these things have to do with what I said?

How is this not dizzying to you?

It's pretty simple. People like Gunn and want to defend him because he's "one of them."

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's pretty simple. People like Gunn and want to defend him because he's "one of them."

Not it at all why I am defending him. I'm defending him because I disagree with this firing on a moral level. Has nothing to do with he is one of "us."

Can we all just stop with the sweeping generalizations and actually listen to each other please? Instead of constant attempts to lump everyone into sides and misrepresent points of view.

 

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, I've seen a lot of hand-wringing to defend Gunn and ask for his reinstatement when people are crucified over comparable past statements or comments.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dunno, I've seen a lot of hand-wringing to defend Gunn and ask for his reinstatement when people are crucified over comparable past statements or comments.

What you're doing is lumping everyone into 1 category because it is easier for you to comprehend the argument for James Gunn using the way you're rationalizing it. But that is not the reality on why many of us are supporting him. Many examples you and others have provided I have commented on either why I agree with those people as well or where they're different. That is why generalizations don't work! In other words, maybe actually try understanding the other point of view as opposed to injecting your own reasoning on why we're opposing you on this.

 

[TheVileOne]

What you're doing is lumping everyone into 1 category because it is easier for you to comprehend the argument for James Gunn using the way you're rationalizing it. But that is not the reality on why many of us are supporting him. Many examples you and others have provided I have commented on either why I agree with those people as well or where they're different. That is why generalizations don't work! In other words, maybe actually try understanding the other point of view as opposed to injecting your own reasoning on why we're opposing you on this.

A lot of his defenders use this same excuse. "He already apologized in the past for his offensive tweets." He didn't. He only ever apologized for some inappropriate blog comments he wrote.

A lot of the message right now is also the source of who exposed the tweets. OK. But previously is offensive comments got exposed by The Mary Sue that did routinely attack his offensive blog comments and even suggested he should've been fired or boycotted back in 2012.

So why does the source of who discovered the tweets matter?

 

[Spider-Fan]

A lot of his defenders use this same excuse. "He already apologized in the past for his offensive tweets." He didn't. He only ever apologized for some inappropriate blog comments he wrote.

A lot of the message right now is also the source of who exposed the tweets. OK. But previously is offensive comments got exposed by The Mary Sue that did routinely attack his offensive blog comments and even suggested he should've been fired or boycotted back in 2012.

So why does the source of who discovered the tweets matter?

These are arguments I never made. I don't care who made the claim. Regardless if it was made by Trusty McTrustworthy, I still don't agree with it.

But if we want to examine his 2012 apology, let me point this out:

"People who are familiar with me as evidenced by my Facebook page and other mediums know that I'm an outspoken proponent for the rights of the gay and lesbian community, women and anyone who feels disenfranchised, and it kills me that some other outsider like myself, despite his or her gender or sexuality, might feel hurt or attacked by something I said," he continues. "We're all in the same camp, and I want to do my best to make this world a better place for all of us. I'm learning all the time. I promise to be more careful with my words in the future. And I will do my best to be funnier as well. Much love to all. "

Guess what? Twitter would be considered in "other mediums." Therefore he did apologize.

 

[TheVileOne]

These are arguments I never made. I don't care who made the claim. Regardless if it was made by Trusty McTrustworthy, I still don't agree with it.

But if we want to examine his 2012 apology, let me point this out:



Guess what? Twitter would be considered in "other mediums." Therefore he did apologize.

He's saying he's outspoken for LGBTQ going by his Facebook page and other mediums. He's not apologizing for his offensive comments in the other mediums.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Interpret the quote your way, but I am seeing him encompass all his platforms and his words in general in his apology. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It's pretty simple. People like Gunn and want to defend him because he's "one of them."

This is false. Gunn doesn't represent me. I would never have made the jokes he made.

But I don't agree with the way he was dismissed. It seems wrong to me.

Not it at all why I am defending him. I'm defending him because I disagree with this firing on a moral level. Has nothing to do with he is one of "us."

Can we all just stop with the sweeping generalizations and actually listen to each other please? Instead of constant attempts to lump everyone into sides and misrepresent points of view.

This right here. We're all guilty of it. But it doesn't help anyone understand one another. I think we can do better.

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This is the same tweet already quoted. I stand by my earlier statements. Comparing Gunn's firing to Roseanne's is false equivalency. They are not the same. If Gunn spouted off this stuff recently I would have an entirely different opinion on this and would agree with the firing.

At the very least, there should have been an investigation first, decision later. Even if Disney did decide to fire him after examining everything - he deserved the opportunity to present his case and/or make amends in some way if necessary. Especially after all the good he's done and everything he's contributed to helping make the MCU such a wild success. He deserved better than this.

It's like getting fired from Baskin Robbins for being an ex-con after you've already served your time and are trying to clean up your act.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Baskin Robbins always finds out.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Baskin Robbins always finds out.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I can already tell this board is going to be unbearable all the way until release UNLESS everyone's on board with his replacement and moves on.....magically