Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[DACrowe]

I'll see it...just potentially not OW. It's going to now depend on how the movie looks and who is doing it now. If they don't knock my socks off, I may voice my displeasure by skipping OW.

I'll see it... but not until streaming. Barring getting free tickets, I plan not to see in theaters and give Disney money for this.

 

[Frodo]

I'm not boycotting MCU films. I know myself, LOL! But, my hype for GotG3 has taken a hit and at least I may want to speak up about that by not contributing to OW. If enough people even just do that, still teaches a lesson. On average, I see an MCU film like, 4 times. I saw the Cap sequels and the Avengers films about 6 each. GotG3 if they don't find a way to win me over what happened here may get only 1 or 2 out of me.

I don't know about that really. Ultimately, its gonna have to be mediocre or bad enough for the GA to only see it once for Disney to really be taught a lesson. Ultimately, its the GA that Disney focuses on the most because they assume, rightly or wrongly, they're gonna get the money of fanboys one way or another.

If the film ends up with a high RT score, and general audiences end up loving it with repeat business , its unlikely to teach Disney a lesson not to do what they've done again.

I do think however, the whole hub bub over Gunn's firing has taught them a lesson PR wise in how to handle these type of situations better. That in a sense may correct or change their behavior and how they go about handling disputes with the talent.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

So correct me if i'm wrong here but Disney/Marvel will use Gunn's script but won't let him direct?

Makes no sense. If he doesn't "fit" with Disney's "family values" surely they won't still have him involved by using his script. Note, I'm glad they're using his script but the "moral logic" is ass.

The logic is indeed ass, but logic isn’t the point in all this. Disney is trying to split the proverbial baby. They’re afraid to bring Gunn all the way back lest the alt right trolls return in force, but at the same time backlash has forced them to partially reverse course. In just a few weeks, Horn has gone from declaring that Disney had “severed its business relationship” with Gunn to agreeing to keep his script and taking a cordial meeting with him. Feige not bothering with the meeting but being reported as OK with everything now strongly suggests to me that an understanding has been reached behind the scenes. Exactly what that entails, I don’t know, but I’d bet it involves a potential return a couple years down the road.

 

[TheVileOne]

I had a feeling they weren't gonna change their minds despite alot of the reports that Gunn would likely be back in the directors chair and despite the fury by fans and the press.

Disney is cutthroat, and unless they feel its really in their own best interest to rehire Gunn, they aren't gonna change their minds .

Their judgment may be totally wrong, but as long as they believe they made the right call, its gonna be hard to convince them they made a mistake.

You add to that the hubris of a mega corporation means they're alot less likely to bend to the will of angry actors, fans, and the media.

This was my feeling as well, they wouldn't change their minds in this case.

 

[TheVileOne]

i respect writters of movie sites who knew that he wont be hired back and squeezed around 5 extra articles in 2 weeks out of this story.

To all the fans without an adblocker who clicked on all those articles and gave them money through ads. cute

I have adblocker at least

Here's what I don't get. If the situation is so bad that Disney "needs" to fire him...then why even use his script at all? If you don't want to be associated with him at all, why even let him get a credit attached to your huge movie?

 

[jr24tw]

I don't know about that really. Ultimately, its gonna have to be mediocre or bad enough for the GA to only see it once for Disney to really be taught a lesson. Ultimately, its the GA that Disney focuses on the most because they assume, rightly or wrongly, they're gonna get the money of fanboys one way or another.

Only America seems to make such an issue out of entertainers and their lives. The GA, even the US I think, really doesn't care. This whole Gunn business won't affect overseas numbers at all IMO. Even if anyone from the GA has even heard of this, the movie is almost 2 years away from release. They will have forgotten about Gunn by then.

 

[Kuwolski]

Why the outrage and grand standing now? Why did you buy tickets for Disney/Marvel movies before? Disney isn't exactly squeaky clean. Why did you buy tickets when 'criminals' and people with shady pasts have and are still working there? You should have stopped giving them money a long time ago...

Which is why I called them hypocrites in my next post. No man or women is perfect, which apparently they agree with in some cases, so I'm not having this selective morality from these bums.

 

[gdw]

Yeah no. It's a PR nightmare for sure, but James Gunn is not going to sink a billion dollar deal years in the making.

Agreed. Gunn not being rehired is not a move to make sure they can buy FOX. That's just....no

So correct me if i'm wrong here but Disney/Marvel will use Gunn's script but won't let him direct?

Makes no sense. If he doesn't "fit" with Disney's "family values" surely they won't still have him involved by using his script. Note, I'm glad they're using his script but the "moral logic" is ass.

Just saying, the use of the script is a BIG deal, and this wasn't my own speculation. This is actually the scuttlebutt from those who specialize in these kinds of international approval processes.

 

[Frodo]

This was my feeling as well, they wouldn't change their minds in this case.

Yeah. I think what alot of fans need to realize is that Disney is not Warner Brothers.

They aren't stumbling around , trying to please hardcore fans, changing things left and right in order to please people, trying to hold onto Ben Affleck, scrambling to respond to fan backlash and outrage to please them.

That is not Disney.

On today's Screen junkies news, they compared them to the Mafia, and that's a pretty good approximation.

Don't let the mouse ears fool you. They didn't get as powerful as they've become by playing nice. They aren't gonna be easily intimidated by angry fans and actors to do something if they don't want to do it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Yeah. I think what alot of fans need to realize is that Disney is not Warner Brothers.

They aren't stumbling around , trying to please hardcore fans, changing things left and right in order to please people, trying to hold onto Ben Affleck, scrambling to respond to fan backlash and outrage to please them.

That is not Disney.

On today's Screen junkies news, they compared them to the Mafia, and that's a pretty good approximation.

Don't let the mouse ears fool you. They didn't get as powerful as they've become by playing nice. They aren't gonna be easily intimidated by angry fans and actors to do something if they don't want to do it.

And to be honest, they really didn't have to.

 

[Grommers]

I have adblocker at least

Here's what I don't get. If the situation is so bad that Disney "needs" to fire him...then why even use his script at all? If you don't want to be associated with him at all, why even let him get a credit attached to your huge movie?

being a director also means going around too different events to promote the video, a script writer RARELY does.

All it takes is a couple people going to these events and creating a scene to really tarnish a marketting plan. (Whether you agree with it or not.)

It's like if they give a rehabbed criminal a job as a sound guy. I really wouldn't know nor would I care, at the end of the day I'm looking at the director, and the actors too blame if everything goes awry, as well as heap the praise if everything is perfect. I acknowledge it takes all sorts of people to make a movie, from costume design to camera men, but all those decisions are still all passed by the director.(for the most part...sometimes the producers get involved.)

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah. I think what alot of fans need to realize is that Disney is not Warner Brothers.

They aren't stumbling around , trying to please hardcore fans, changing things left and right in order to please people, trying to hold onto Ben Affleck, scrambling to respond to fan backlash and outrage to please them.

That is not Disney.

On today's Screen junkies news, they compared them to the Mafia, and that's a pretty good approximation.

Don't let the mouse ears fool you. They didn't get as powerful as they've become by playing nice. They aren't gonna be easily intimidated by angry fans and actors to do something if they don't want to do it.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

It’s official. Gunn is not coming back


https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-disney-firing-1202907016/

Well sorry Disney but you can't do Guardians of the Galaxy without all of the Guardians, so you might as well give up. James Gunn as director was as much a Guardian as the cast.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

A strange party with a paedo theme. The party was based on the TV show, To Catch a Predator, that's the connection.

Maybe he's just a fan of the TV Show?

 

[Frodo]

Yeah, Pretty much , and that was before the Fox merger. Lol.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah. I think what alot of fans need to realize is that Disney is not Warner Brothers.

They aren't stumbling around , trying to please hardcore fans, changing things left and right in order to please people, trying to hold onto Ben Affleck, scrambling to respond to fan backlash and outrage to please them.

That is not Disney.

On today's Screen junkies news, they compared them to the Mafia, and that's a pretty good approximation.

Don't let the mouse ears fool you. They didn't get as powerful as they've become by playing nice. They aren't gonna be easily intimidated by angry fans and actors to do something if they don't want to do it.

People are just going to have to learn and accept this. Especially after that merger, the movie theaters is the stroll, these actors are the hoes, and the Walt Disney Company is the pimp.

For the GOTG cast to write that letter, they shot themselves in the foot. I truly think Disney will make an example out of them. Who needs them when X-Men is coming back anyway.

 

[The Sand Master]

Maybe he's just a fan of the TV Show?

Never the less, that's the connection you failed to see.

 

[jr24tw]

Well sorry Disney but you can't do Guardians of the Galaxy without all of the Guardians, so you might as well give up. James Gunn as director was as much a Guardian as the cast.

Because of Bautista's Drax? Pft, anyone can get painted on and spend an entire movie doing nothing but laugh. Doesn't take much acting for that.

 

[batfreakforever]

Gunn @#$ed up. People might not agree with Disney's decision but they made a choice and are sticking to their guns. If they were wrong to do so then Gunn would file for an unfair dismissal but he hasn't and can't because Disney are in their right too for whatever reason.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Disney and MARVEL stand by the decision. Feige couldn't be bothered to come back from vacation to talk about it (aka getting out of dodge to avoid the blame). Reports he backed the decision. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

People forget that Feige probably realizes how good he has it now. Especially after working with Fox and Sony in the past. Disney is a great employer who write massive checks. They give studio head's plenty of latitude.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Well sorry Disney but you can't do Guardians of the Galaxy without all of the Guardians, so you might as well give up. James Gunn as director was as much a Guardian as the cast.

Stop this nonsense already.

It's like saying Joss Whedon is the Avengers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Stop this nonsense already.

It's like saying Joss Whedon is the Avengers.

And then Joss "left" and the Russos made two much better Avengers movies in Civil War and Infinity War.

 

[DACrowe]

Stop this nonsense already.

It's like saying Joss Whedon is the Avengers.

I mean, way more than any MCU director... he kind of was.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiDAfjibWY8&frags=pl,wn

 

[TheVileOne]

Disney and MARVEL stand by the decision. Feige couldn't be bothered to come back from vacation to talk about it (aka getting out of dodge to avoid the blame). Reports he backed the decision. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

People forget that Feige probably realizes how good he has it now. Especially after working with Fox and Sony in the past. Disney is a great employer who write massive checks. They give studio head's plenty of latitude.

I think Darth and I have the same feeling on Feige. Dude got out of town to avoid any blame or responsibility for this. He's keeping a layer of separation here.

 

[Raiden]

Disney and MARVEL stand by the decision. Feige couldn't be bothered to come back from vacation to talk about it (aka getting out of dodge to avoid the blame). Reports he backed the decision. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

People forget that Feige probably realizes how good he has it now. Especially after working with Fox and Sony in the past. Disney is a great employer who write massive checks. They give studio head's plenty of latitude.

Bob Iger actually removed Perlmutter to let him be the head of Marvel Studios, and he's about to receive both X-Men and FF for MCU. I have a feeling that as much as he loves the Avengers, he wants the X-Men ever since his outline for the X-Men universe was rejected by Fox years ago; I don't think he wanted to leave, but at the same time by staying away he's also not looking like he's endorsing this decision either.