Comics Jean and the Phoenix Force

[Intheknow101]

So gathering the energy of millions of suns, planets, and stars..AND ripping apart the ground And controlling ocean currents is weather controlling how?

The same way she grathers rain, lightning, etc. Since when did Storm rip apart the ground? Her powers are not seismic. Clearly misunderstanding of weather by several writers, same how some thought just because something has the word wind in it that it is weather. Anyways, I don't want to turn this into a Storm can **** out the universe debate, since we all know majority of Storm fans think she is god.

If you don't have something about Jean then continue this in the Storm thread.

 

[javon]

The same way she grathers rain, lightning, etc. Since when did Storm rip apart the ground? Her powers are not seismic. Clearly misunderstanding of weather by several writers, same how some thought just because something has the word wind in it that it is weather. Anyways, I don't want to turn this into a Storm can **** out the universe debate, since we all know majority of Storm fans think she is god.

First, don't make me get on some of the stuff the writers make Jean do. Second, no Storm fan thinks she's a God. You all just imply that because were always talking about her. Third, it was in a BP issue when she ripped apart the ground. Fourth, gathering the energy of those suns, planets, and stars wasn't weather controlling. That was her bond with the universe. Fifth, please show me somewhere when a Storm fan says Storm is a goddess?

If you don't have something about Jean then continue this in the Storm thread.

Now what were ya'll talking about on that previous page? About Storm and Jean, so please don't try to tell me to leave when ya'll have been rambling on about her.

 

[Intheknow101]

First, don't make me get on some of the stuff the writers make Jean do. Second, no Storm fan thinks she's a God. You all just imply that because were always talking about her. Third, it was in a BP issue when she ripped apart the ground. Fourth, please show me somewhere when a Storm fan says Storm is a goddess?


Now what were ya'll talking about on that previous page? About Storm and Jean, so please don't try to tell me to leave when ya'll have been rambling on about her.

What Jean does is based off tk. Manipulating everything and anything. Funny thing is Jean can do everything Storm can and more.

The talk about Storm was relevant because we were talking about X-Men and killing and then how that relates to Jean and the D'bari. We're not here to talk about Storm's wonderful, super, amazing, astonishing, ho @$$ powers. You were the one that jumped in all of a sudden and said Storm can do this and that. Well I don't care if she ****s out a universe go preach it in her own thread.

Do a search. There have been whole threads about Storm being a goddess. You yourself have referred to her as such in your signature and directly under your avatar.

As far as Jean and the D'bari go, she was insane. She made up for it by dying and building their afterlife. And saved the universe many times.

 

[javon]

"How exactly does she heal the damage she caused? She thinks she is healing it by bringing in rain from another area to fill the weather patterns she just used, but then she'd be in the same position again as she is then depriving that new area of it's natural weather patterns. She wouldn't have to move around rain if she could spontaneously create her own. Unless she could create her own weather patterns, she'd be constantly moving and removing weather to make it right because she has to take it from somewhere. But then if she could, she wouldn't need to do any healing in the first place. To think the woman callously uses her powers to water her plants."

Hmmmm. I doubt that isn't talking about her powers. But i'll keep quiet though.
And thats not saying Storms a goddess. I put it because she refers to herself as a goddess. I know she isn't a goddess. *Whistles suspicously*

 

[Intheknow101]

"How exactly does she heal the damage she caused? She thinks she is healing it by bringing in rain from another area to fill the weather patterns she just used, but then she'd be in the same position again as she is then depriving that new area of it's natural weather patterns. She wouldn't have to move around rain if she could spontaneously create her own. Unless she could create her own weather patterns, she'd be constantly moving and removing weather to make it right because she has to take it from somewhere. But then if she could, she wouldn't need to do any healing in the first place. To think the woman callously uses her powers to water her plants."

Hmmmm. I doubt that isn't talking about her powers. But i'll keep quiet though.
And thats not saying Storms a goddess. I put it because she refers to herself as a goddess. I know she isn't a goddess. *Whistles suspicously*

This wasn't done to discuss how powerful and great Storm is, but as a comparison to how Storm's powers have adverse side effects that kill just like how Jean's usage of her powers on the sun had the side effect of accidentally killing the D'bari by causing it to go supernova. That's the connection your're failing to see. Now if you want to go say Storm can split the earth in half when she sneezes, go to her thread.

 

[javon]

I get ya. I'm gonna leave in a little while anyway.

 

[Intheknow101]

Moving on, in Phoenix Endsong, Jean teleported with her tk. That's an application of her power that we've seen Maddie do as well and not acknowledged enough.

 

[javon]

Now i'm just curious, how can she teleport with TK?

 

[Intheknow101]

Now i'm just curious, how can she teleport with TK?

Either by opening up a wormhole or displacing her molecules and reassembling them.

If she wanted to she could phase too since she can slip her molecules around solid objects similar to how Kitty does it.

Did you know tk had so many applications Javon?

 

[javon]

Nope. But now I do.lol And what do ypu mean opening a warmhole?

 

[D-scythe]

Um, scientifically, the applications of telekinesis is almost infinite. The ability to take away or impart kinetic energy on the atomic/sub-atomic level (or even lower) through telekinesis is without doubt one of the most powerful mutant powers ever. Hell, theoretically Jean can freeze time if she wanted to.

So long as a telekinetic is powerful enough, they can do anything, literally, anything, except magic.

 

[javon]

Freeze time?

 

[Exploding Boy]

Jean can do anything and along with the Phoenix Force she can really really do anything.

 

[S7ilver]

Couldn't Jean theoretically; at White-Phoenix level, rearrange her molecules to look exactly like someone else? Plus; since she could duplicate every superheroes power and read their mind, she could "slip" into someone's life by looking like them, having their powers, and having every memory and fact about that person in her head..

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I saw her do that in the Phoenix Saga... I think it was in both sagas... it was confusing at first lol..

 

[phoenixstorm]

You know what. I've been thinking and I am slowly changing my mind. Yes I am still sick to death of "phoenix" but I still love jean and as long as jean is alive and kicking in the marvel universe and she's writter in character then I will be happy.

 

[aidol]

okay...this thread was supposed to be how people think they can blame jean for the phoenix's actions. Jean isn't the Phoenix in reality...it entered her body because she is just about the only person strong enough to handle the phoenix's powers....phoenix force is not jean....they act as one but jean is the puppet and phoenix is the puppeter. You can't blame jean because she didn't do any of it on her own will...it was phoenix who killed all those people!

 

[D-scythe]

Freeze time?

Yup. Time is only present so long as all the atoms, sub-atomic particles, etc. in a system is moving, or in motion (which they always are). Time as scientists have understood it so far.

So, as long as Jean's telekinesis is powerful enough, she can literally freeze time in a room, a planet, or even the entire universe, as she only has to stop any/all movement by any type of particle and bring it all to an absolute stop.

Theoretically, of course. Time and space are still things that humans know very little about, as it's mostly theoretical, but having Jean freeze time actually has more scientific backing than 99% of all other things in Marvel.

 

[javon]

Yup. Time is only present so long as all the atoms, sub-atomic particles, etc. in a system is moving, or in motion (which they always are). Time as scientists have understood it so far.

Well I know a certaint someone who can manipulate a sub-atomic particle....

 

[D-scythe]

Well I know a certaint someone who can manipulate a sub-atomic particle....

Nope, not gonna work. ALL subatomic molecules have to be frozen to a complete STOP, not simply just manipulated. In fact, even when atoms and stuff smaller are not physically moving, they are still vibrating, therefore in constant motion. Jean can bring everything to a complete stop, even the subtle vibrations.

And I'm assuming you're talking about Storm? She can only influence where the electrons are gonna go, that's it. She still cannot make electrons do what they don't want to do - for example, there's no way she can bring two electrons together without them repelling each other due to like charges, or make them stop vibrating/moving even when at a standstill. Jean can, with telekinesis. Hell, Jean can probably create a lightning bolt so big it'd make Storm's look like a tiny spark.

As long as one has infinite potential, telekinesis is the way to go. As long as the potential is there, telekinesis can do literally ANYTHING in the physical world. Jean has infinite potential, telekinesis and telepathy - which means the only thing she cannot control/do would be magic.

 

[javon]

Could we sorta take this into the Storm thread? I don't wanna cause a debate.

 

[D-scythe]

Could we sorta take this into the Storm thread? I don't wanna cause a debate.

There is no debate. Storm cannot freeze time, like Jean can. I honestly have no idea what you want to "debate."

 

[javon]

Noi'm saying anytime someone nrings storm up someone calls it a debate. Therefore I'd like to discuss it without disturbing anyone. If you don't wanna do it..oh well.

 

[D-scythe]

Noi'm saying anytime someone nrings storm up someone calls it a debate. Therefore I'd like to discuss it without disturbing anyone. If you don't wanna do it..oh well.

It was your idea to start it

 

[javon]

lol