The Avengers Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye! - Part 1

[C. Lee]

Just don't tell me that Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston aren't really gods... I just don't know if I'd be able to take it

The way my wife acts sometimes...I think Hemsworth may be a god.

 

[bonzob2000]

My opinion on this debate: there are always going to be compromises in filmmaking. Stuff like this doesn't speak so much to lack of attention to detail as it does to priorities. You get Renner on set, his form is off, the bow is hitting his arm... do you shut down the production for a few hours while Renner takes some more lessons? Wasting millions? Losing time where you could be drawing out a fantastic performance, or getting more great footage? Or do you just throw a couple of arm guards on and roll cameras?

A bad performance is going to be noticed by nearly everyone. Bad archery form is going to be noticed by the .01 percent of the audience who have archery experience. Same reason why doctors, cops, etc., always complain about accuracy while no one else cares. Details of very specific professions/hobbies only have to right enough to fool the mass audience.

 

[Still Wynning]

The way my wife acts sometimes...I think Hemsworth may be a god.

 

[mara]

Aliens/gods... doesn't matter, all I know is in Thor it showed them able to fly and wield lightning, and freeze things, and be really really strong...

...if all that was just some lie - just some false imagery created in computers, well then... I just don't think I can trust movies anymore. I thought they told us the absolute truth


*lol*

LMAO!
ok, I assure you it was all real! It is the absolute truth! hehe Now you can smile again! t:

 

[mara]

The way my wife acts sometimes...I think Hemsworth may be a god.

He is....lol

 

[Poni_Boy]

My opinion on this debate: there are always going to be compromises in filmmaking. Stuff like this doesn't speak so much to lack of attention to detail as it does to priorities. You get Renner on set, his form is off, the bow is hitting his arm... do you shut down the production for a few hours while Renner takes some more lessons? Wasting millions? Losing time where you could be drawing out a fantastic performance, or getting more great footage? Or do you just throw a couple of arm guards on and roll cameras?

A bad performance is going to be noticed by nearly everyone. Bad archery form is going to be noticed by the .01 percent of the audience who have archery experience. Same reason why doctors, cops, etc., always complain about accuracy while no one else cares. Details of very specific professions/hobbies only have to right enough to fool the mass audience.

If I broke apart every nuance of every actor who played a cop or solider in every big budget movie I'd never finish. It doesn't matter how a guy holds a gun, wears his tac vest or puts his hands on a steering wheel, as long as he accomplishes his objective.

Bringing it back to Avengers and, trying reeeeeally hard to make this topic even viable, IT DOESN'T MATTER how Hawkeye holds his stupid bow as long as he hits his stupid target.

 

[C. Lee]

My opinion on this debate: there are always going to be compromises in filmmaking. Stuff like this doesn't speak so much to lack of attention to detail as it does to priorities. You get Renner on set, his form is off, the bow is hitting his arm... do you shut down the production for a few hours while Renner takes some more lessons? Wasting millions? Losing time where you could be drawing out a fantastic performance, or getting more great footage? Or do you just throw a couple of arm guards on and roll cameras?

A bad performance is going to be noticed by nearly everyone. Bad archery form is going to be noticed by the .01 percent of the audience who have archery experience. Same reason why doctors, cops, etc., always complain about accuracy while no one else cares. Details of very specific professions/hobbies only have to right enough to fool the mass audience.

Not to mention.......with CGI who says he's really holding a bow that's stringed with arrows in it? The behind the scenes stuff for LOTR showed Legolis with no arrows shooting Orcs.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not to mention.......with CGI who says he's really holding a bow that's stringed with arrows in it? The behind the scenes stuff for LOTR showed Legolis with no arrows shooting Orcs.

I don't want to be a stickler, but Legolas had the absolute worst posture holding that recurve bow. I have no idea how he managed to kill all those Orcs.

 

[C. Lee]

I don't want to be a stickler, but Legolas had the absolute worst posture holding that recurve bow. I have no idea how he managed to kill all those Orcs.

He was trained by Clint......

 

[Nova2113]

So.....Renner isn't really a world class archer.....I'm destroyed to the core of my soul......

I already cried my eyes out.... you be strong though

 

[Poni_Boy]

He was trained by Clint......

...and so it continues

 

[Savage]

Man, and I thought people on this board were nitpickers.

http://io9.com/5893693/is-hawkeye-from-the-avengers-the-worlds-worst-archer

Wow. That was really enlightening. It's not going to ruin the movie for me or anything but I've always wanted to get into archery so that was a good read. I know people don't like hearing anything negative about their movie but that was fun. Kind of a Mythbusters kinda deal. Except about something that could have easily been avoided. I'd like to read what this guy has to say about boxing glove arrows.

 

[C. Lee]

I already cried my eyes out.... you be strong though

The knowledge that they at least hired a real Russian to play Natasha gets me through the night.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The knowledge that they at least hired a real Russian to play Natasha gets me through the night.

Mr. Lee, we need to talk...

 

[Nova2113]

...and so it continues

THE CIRCLE OF LIFFEEEEEE, AND IT MOVES THE SO......... sorry I got besides myself. Lost it a lil

 

[Nova2113]

Mr. Lee, we need to talk...

You stop that... I thought the red hair showed that she was a real russian ... this **** is getting deep

 

[Raiden]

You stop that... I thought the red hair showed that she was a real russian ... this **** is getting deep

Red hair? I thought her accent was a dead giveaway that BW is from Russia.

 

[BigThor]

Aliens/gods... doesn't matter, all I know is in Thor it showed them able to fly and wield lightning, and freeze things, and be really really strong...

That's enough for them to be considered "Gods" in my eyes, f*** that "they're not Gods in the MCU" nonesense.

 

[jacobed]

Its dumb to examine his stance, everybody is different and has different stances. My stance is very unorthodox but it gets the job done.

 

[metaphysician]

That's enough for them to be considered "Gods" in my eyes, f*** that "they're not Gods in the MCU" nonesense.

Its really a matter of semantics, IMO. He's a mostly immortal being with vast superpowers who comes from a place not of this world. That's pretty much what the Norse meant when they called Thor a god.

Its just when you presume the word "god" must mean "dealing in mystical symbolism" or "representation of cosmic principles" or "completely outside the possibility of scientific understanding" that things look odd.

 

[Nova2113]

Red hair? I thought her accent was a dead giveaway that BW is from Russia.

touche

 

[JimMacQ]

Wow. That was really enlightening. It's not going to ruin the movie for me or anything but I've always wanted to get into archery so that was a good read. I know people don't like hearing anything negative about their movie but that was fun. Kind of a Mythbusters kinda deal. Except about something that could have easily been avoided. I'd like to read what this guy has to say about boxing glove arrows.

Thank you! That is exactly what I was trying for.

As for the boxing glove arrow, well, it sort of works, for very short distances. It's basically a showboating version of what's called a "blunt" arrow, a rubber arrowhead used for killing small game without putting a hole in the hide.

You can't use a real boxing glove; a small child-size one, or a miniature replica sculpted and cast in a semi-rigid material will work. We used that white Crayola modeling compound, and it worked pretty well, but eventually the shaft punches through it unless there's something inside to stop it. I think if one were cast in silicone or some such, it would pack a wallop.

The arrow needs large fletches to offset the weight of the head, and it needs to be shot from a bow with at least a 35-lb. draw; the 20-lb. bows we use for classes just don't do it. And even then, the thing only hits with a decent impact at up to about 20 feet. At 30 feet it's a love-tap and at 40 it's on the ground.

But it's big dumb stupid fun. Almost as much fun as an exploding arrow.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Man, and I thought people on this board were nitpickers.

http://io9.com/5893693/is-hawkeye-from-the-avengers-the-worlds-worst-archer

Oh man, the comments on this article are fantastic! I've been laughing so hard for almost 10 minutes. Make sure you click "ALL" to see the best ones

 

[JimMacQ]

So you're saying that a film like this, that features a main character who's claim to fame is archery, just said **** it when it came to the archery? I'm not buying it. Film making is a very deliberate thing. Besides, who gives a flying **** if the archery isn't perfect. That's not going to make or break this movie. Hawkeye looks awesome doing Hawkeye stuff. 'Nuff said.

No, he didn't say **** it; he just didn't find a competent coach to show him what to do and how to make it look good. If he had called Don Rabska at Easton, or anyone at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista (like Jennifer Lawrence did), or the Pasadena Roving Archers (like James Cameron did for Avatar), or any number of instructors across the country, one 45-minute session would have vastly improved both his archery and his performance. The confidence of knowing what he was doing would have colored every scene and made his acting even better.

It's like those movies where somebody is supposed to be playing a guitar or piano, but they just sort of flail around miming to a recorded track with an occasional cut to somebody else's hands doing real playing; not only can you always tell they're faking it, they know they're faking it and it shows in their performance.

The bad archery isn't going to ruin the movie, but good archery might just have improved it in ways nobody would even be aware of.

 

[JimMacQ]

Oh man, the comments on this article are fantastic! I've been laughing so hard for almost 10 minutes. Make sure you click "ALL" to see the best ones

Fanboy outrage is just the best.

Funny thing, the article I wrote about the Kickstarter campaign to build an Angry Bird car for Burning Man took a lot longer to write than this post, but nobody told me to get a life or that I had too much time on my hands. They didn't call it nitpicking when I critiqued the archery in BRAVE and THE HUNGER GAMES. They didn't go to the trouble of posting to tell me they don't care when I interviewed Tom Chapin and wrote about WhyHunger's "Do Something" campaign. They didn't call it ranting when I reviewed REED GUNTHER.

But, boy oh boy, say something mildly critical about a superhero movie, and it's like you raped Hello Kitty.

At least now I know I can drive some people into a frothing rage whenever I want to. I wonder if this is how trolls feel? "Dance, monkey! Dance!"