The Dark Knight Jim Gordon's daughter

[quara33]

In the credits for Batman Begins the baby is listed as James Gordon Jr. He's also mentioned in the Batman Begins novel. So the two films are out of continuity, unless he has three children, two boys and one girl. But that still doesn't make sense considering he would then have two sons with the same name.

- In Batman Begins Barbara (Gordon's wife) is feeding the infant James Gordon Jr. (James and Barbara's son) while Jim is talking to Batman.

- In the Dark Knight his son also listed as James Gordon Jr. is much older (about 9 or 10) and appears to have a sister. But considering the events in the Dark Knight are about a year after Begins, James couldn't have aged 9 years older.

I don't know. Just a small continuity error that all sequels have. I can easily look past this one.

As far as I can remember, the novel only refers to Gordon's daughter, not to a son at all. I'll look into the credits on Begins, but I don't remember the baby being credited at all...

 

[bkey]

In the credits for Batman Begins the baby is listed as James Gordon Jr. He's also mentioned in the Batman Begins novel. So the two films are out of continuity, unless he has three children, two boys and one girl. But that still doesn't make sense considering he would then have two sons with the same name.

- In Batman Begins Barbara (Gordon's wife) is feeding the infant James Gordon Jr. (James and Barbara's son) while Jim is talking to Batman.

- In the Dark Knight his son also listed as James Gordon Jr. is much older (about 9 or 10) and appears to have a sister. But considering the events in the Dark Knight are about a year after Begins, James couldn't have aged 9 years older.

I don't know. Just a small continuity error that all sequels have. I can easily look past this one.

The baby in BB is not listed in the credits, nor is it given a name or gender at all. I can't say anything about the novel, because I haven't read it, but based on the movie alone the baby could easily be a girl.

 

[Mr. E]

Just watched it, your right the kid isn't listed in the credits, Barbara (the mother) is. Check out the film again the baby with the brown striped shirt is definately a boy. You can just tell that their child was meant to be a boy. The full head, cut blond hair, and just the look of the kid. Definately not a girl.

 

[Sam_Cooksey]

The baby in BB is not listed in the credits, nor is it given a name or gender at all. I can't say anything about the novel, because I haven't read it, but based on the movie alone the baby could easily be a girl.

I assumed, when I saw BB, that it was James Jr. because James Jr. is born/an infant in Batman: Year One.

I believe that was the intention of the baby being seen in BB, whether credited or not.

Barbara(Batgirl) Gordon is older than James Jr. in the comics, and was adopted when Gordon's brother and sister in law died.

Jim's wife Barbara left him and took James Jr. with her in the comics. Babs stayed with Jim, or may have been adopted after his wife left (not sure what the continuity is)

Anyways, when I saw TDK the girl did look older than James Jr. to me. Was I wrong? I'll look closer on Friday.

And making James Jr. older in TDK, for whatever reason, forces us to change our ideas about the baby in BB. Maybe Jim and Barbara were babysitting the neighbor's kid? :P

 

[Mr. E]

Just watched it, your right the kid isn't listed in the credits, Barbara (the mother) is. Check out the scene in the film again. The baby with the brown striped shirt is definately a boy. You can just tell that their child was meant to be a boy. The full head of cut, blond hair, and just the look of the kid. It's not a girl.

 

[bkey]

Just watched it, your right the kid isn't listed in the credits, Barbara (the mother) is. Check out the film again. The baby with the brown striped shirt is definately a boy. You can just tell that their child was meant to be a boy. The full head, cut blond hair, and just the look of the kid. It's not a girl.

Ah ok. I did't remember that they showed the baby that closely. Maybe the Gordon's like to cross-dress their children

 

[quara33]

Ah ok. I did't remember that they showed the baby that closely. Maybe the Gordon's like to cross-dress their children

Next week on Gotham Tonight: Shocking revelations on the home life of Gotham's top cop!!

 

[Not_Sane]

I'd like to see an older like 16-20 yrs of age in the third movie. no bat-suit!!! but maybe show her kick some butt

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Just watched it, your right the kid isn't listed in the credits, Barbara (the mother) is. Check out the scene in the film again. The baby with the brown striped shirt is definately a boy. You can just tell that their child was meant to be a boy. The full head of cut, blond hair, and just the look of the kid. It's not a girl.

Maybe they were baby sitting

 

[bkey]

I'd like to see an older like 16-20 yrs of age in the third movie. no bat-suit!!! but maybe show her kick some butt

Yeah, that would really screw up the continuity.

No Batgirl or Robin for me.

 

[Jubba]

maybe she will be a female Robin with batman being older, like in "dark knight returns" (from what i've heard..i have not read that story)
i figure that IF nolan ever includes ANY kind of sidekick, he'll do it in a way that makes sense and works on screen.....i trust him not to pull a sam raimi spider-man 3 on us

 

[Aidan2209]

Was anyone else reminded of Batman: Year One in this scene? Towards the end of BYO (haha), Bruce jumps off a bridge and catches Gordon's infant son as he's falling. Whether or not any inspiration came from that scene in the comic, I was definitely reminded of it.

 

[quara33]

I was also reminded of Gordon and Two-face's confrontation at the end of No Man's Land, when Two-Face puts Gordon on trial. Of course, I just adore the NML storyline, so I kinda see it everywhere, so YMMV

 

[Nathaniel Essex]

i just got a mental image of a little 5 year old girl in a batgirl suit being kicked in the stomach and flying through a wall from the foot of bane

 

[lujho]

Anyways, when I saw TDK the girl did look older than James Jr. to me. Was I wrong?

No, I totally had the impression that she was much older. Certainly bigger, than the boy.

But the baby (whoever it was) aging several years too fast is just a ridiculous error. An obviously deliberate one too, but really ****ing stupid. If he wanted an older kid why not just use Barbara (Barbara jr, I guess) as a young teen/tween have Jim Jr be a toddler? That would have (a) not messed up continuity so stupidly and (b) given the character of Barbara a deserved spotlight and even a bit of character development (being saved by Batman would be a huge influence to becoming Batgirl)... even if Nolan never does intend to actually get up to that stage in the story.

 

[lujho]

Was anyone else reminded of Batman: Year One in this scene? Towards the end of BYO (haha), Bruce jumps off a bridge and catches Gordon's infant son as he's falling. Whether or not any inspiration came from that scene in the comic, I was definitely reminded of it.

Yes. And, If I were directing an adaptation of Year one, I'd have used Barbara in that scene rather than the son (and just had her be Gordon's daughter, none of that post-crisis neice business).

 

[LaughingDarkOne]

Batgirl this and Batgirl that...who cares. You talk as if Nolan will/won't use her in the future. Fact of the matter is, we should be worried about Nolan not doing another Batman. It concerns me that there was no reference in TDK about a future "baddie". Honestly, the hype around this movie has been so HUGE, it's going to be tough to top it...and the lack of Two-Face for #3 doesn't help. I could care less about the age of Gordon's kids, I just want to KNOW that Nolan is going to do #3. Honestly, I don't think Batgirl or Robin stand a chance with Nolan directing. However, with the financial success that WB will have from TDK...a 3rd film is more than slated to happen, with or without Nolan. If someone else directs, I could very well see Robin and Batgirl. Who knows, perhaps Frank Miller will direct the next Batman film...and it'll be black and white, with the bat-symbol on Batman's suit being red. Hell, he can even play around with Batman raspy voice, and do some monologues with it...

 

[Vaako]

Yeah people should just shut up and go on with whatever will happen. I mean look at Spiderman 3 they totally mixed everything together because of fans who want this and that. And I wanted to see more of two-face in #3 but they're pretty screwed now since they made Dent died and Ledger's traggic loss.so no joker, no 2 face in #3. I'm not surprised if Nolan stepped down and basically agree on whatever LDO just said.

 

[Not_Sane]

So what will they do for a Third? I see these movies kind of going in the wrong direction.

 

[jdlynch1]

If it is batgirl (which i hope it isn't) I hope Nolan this time makes sure she doesn't have a huge mustache.

 

[Nephrito]

Doesn't James Jr. get adopted by Bruce Wayne, and turns into Robin?

 

[LaughingDarkOne]

Doesn't James Jr. get adopted by Bruce Wayne, and turns into Robin?

Yes...of course...Jim and Barbara put they're son up for adoption...and Bruce Wayne adopts him...

...

 

[Jubba]

Yeah people should just shut up and go on with whatever will happen. I mean look at Spiderman 3 they totally mixed everything together because of fans who want this and that. And I wanted to see more of two-face in #3 but they're pretty screwed now since they made Dent died and Ledger's traggic loss.so no joker, no 2 face in #3. I'm not surprised if Nolan stepped down and basically agree on whatever LDO just said.

excellent feedback, thanks. any thoughts on WHY the girl's face was concealed? that's all this thread is about, no need to get rude or ridiculously off topic. it's not fans that demanded gordon's daughter be included but hidden...just wondering what nolan's thoughts are behind it.