The Rise of Skywalker JJ Abrams is Writing and Directing Episode IX

[NealKenneth]

Personally, my biggest issue with The Force Awakens and therefore, the sequel trilogy as a whole, was that it didn't give us scenes or even a moment between Han, Luke and Leia as a group.

I get it:

- It's not their story anymore.
- Luke Skywalker is missing is a somewhat interesting hook.
- The loss of Han can propel both Rey and Luke's story forward

But still, it takes something away from the sequel trilogy for me, no matter how silly that may seem.

It's not silly. You've hit on a core problem with the sequels, and it's that the filmmakers underestimated how much we care about and understand the old characters. Just a few minor changes could have saved this film for me:

1) Rey and Finn don't stumble across the Millenium Falcon. Han and Leia are on Jakku because they heard that Kylo had been there the night before and are trying to find him. They see Rey and Finn running from the TIE fighter bombing and rescue them.

2) When the lightsaber is pulled out of the snow, it flies into Luke's hand instead of Rey's.

3) Poe Damaron dies from the crash...this was the original plan in the script and I honestly feel his character is way too overpowered and not fleshed out otherwise. Would have added some weight to the film to kill him off suddenly.

4) Kylo's Star Destroyer instead of Starkiller Base for the third act.

 

[Grootster]

Didn't JJ Abrams screw up the ending of Lost and upset a lot of fans? Didn't a lot of the clues and hints from that show end up leading nowhere? I can't judge firsthand because I haven't seen the show, but that's what I've heard.

Other than that I don't have any direct proof that JJ Abrams is specifically bad at endings, I just feel that he's bad at storytelling in general and endings are part of that.

Stupidity of a nebulous nature from online hacks.

It's funny that you call me a troll and have accused me of being passive aggressive in the past, but then you turn around and say this kind of thing. This statement is a hundred times more troll-y and insulting than anything I've ever said on this site. And I'm the one trolling?

 

[NealKenneth]

Didn't JJ Abrams screw up the ending of Lost and upset a lot of fans? Didn't a lot of the clues and hints from that show end up leading nowhere?

Yes, LOST is the standard for ending a show poorly and it earned that reputation. I was one of the people who watched every episode as it came out and, years later, I can still think of several major things that were unresolved off the top of my head.

Worse, JJ doesn't see a problem with that. A couple years after the show ended, he gave a TedTalk on his "mystery box" method, which is basically that people are super-intrigued by mystery and that the answers don't really matter. That theory is obviously wrong if you talked to anyone who watched LOST but it has made him a ton of money and he swears by it....meanwhile almost nothing he makes is still being watched more than a few years after it comes out.

 

[Marvolo]

Didn't JJ Abrams screw up the ending of Lost and upset a lot of fans? Didn't a lot of the clues and hints from that show end up leading nowhere? I can't judge firsthand because I haven't seen the show, but that's what I've heard.

Other than that I don't have any direct proof that JJ Abrams is specifically bad at endings, I just feel that he's bad at storytelling in general and endings are part of that.



It's funny that you call me a troll and have accused me of being passive aggressive in the past, but then you turn around and say this kind of thing. This statement is a hundred times more troll-y and insulting than anything I've ever said on this site. And I'm the one trolling?

JJ didnt run Lost after the beginning of the show. It was Lindelof and Cuse that ran that show, and they decided how the show ended.

Also, yeah youve been trolling. Calling dumb online reporters hacks one time wouldnt be considered trolling. If Darth came in here and repeatedly called them hacks and and was refusing to recognize and accept facts and repeatedly tried to beat a dead horse with a passive aggressive attitude then he would be trolling.

 

[Grootster]

The double standard here is hilarious. I get accused of denying the facts and being insulting while DarthSkywalker (among other users) is able to get away with doing that exact thing every other post. I suppose I could get away with it too if I bought up everything with the Star Wars logo without questioning it. He may not be a troll in the usual sense of the word, but it's obvious that a lot of you are keeping your eyes shut to anything non-praise, and aren't able to realize that people like Abrams are killing the franchise. Sadly life is too short to bother with these people, and this forum isn't just a fanclub for like-minded people to regurgitate the same opinion. I think it's about time to start using the ignore list, and DarthSkywalker has the honor of being the first one on it.

 

[Grootster]

Yes, LOST is the standard for ending a show poorly and it earned that reputation. I was one of the people who watched every episode as it came out and, years later, I can still think of several major things that were unresolved off the top of my head.

Worse, JJ doesn't see a problem with that. A couple years after the show ended, he gave a TedTalk on his "mystery box" method, which is basically that people are super-intrigued by mystery and that the answers don't really matter. That theory is obviously wrong if you talked to anyone who watched LOST but it has made him a ton of money and he swears by it....meanwhile almost nothing he makes is still being watched more than a few years after it comes out.

His "mystery box" thing is ridiculous. Mystery is fun in small doses, but withholding entire plotpoints is just lazy writing. I can't help but think he's just hiding his poor storytelling behind the guise of mystery.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Every post...

 

[Marvolo]

The double standard here is hilarious. I get accused of denying the facts and being insulting while DarthSkywalker (among other users) is able to get away with doing that exact thing every other post. I suppose I could get away with it too if I bought up everything with the Star Wars logo without questioning it. He may not be a troll in the usual sense of the word, but it's obvious that a lot of you are keeping your eyes shut to anything non-praise, and aren't able to realize that people like Abrams are killing the franchise. Sadly life is too short to bother with these people, and this forum isn't just a fanclub for like-minded people to regurgitate the same opinion. I think it's about time to start using the ignore list, and DarthSkywalker has the honor of being the first one on it.

Lying and distorting the truth is also considered trolling. Darth (among other users) has been presenting facts repeatedly. Ive yet to see him deny reality or facts about merchandise sales and the marketing of star wars.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

but it's obvious that a lot of you are keeping your eyes shut to anything non-praise, and aren't able to realize that people like Abrams are killing the franchise.

$2 Billion+ box office earning and the great response his movie earned, especially after the way the prequel trilogy turned out to be, is killing the franchise? The success of the Force Awakens helped make Rogue One a high grossing movie earning $1 Billion+ in box office.
What is being killed here beside wallets of the portion of the audience viewing these movies so many times in theater and buying home media copies?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy revived Star Wars after George Lucas nearly turned it into a laughing stock with the prequels.

Remember the prequels? Remember how boring Phantom Menace was outside of Duel of the Fates? Remember the awful love story of Clones (I hate sand... I find it coerce)? Remember NNNNOOOOOOO!!!?

How the **** can JJ Abrams kill Star Wars when Star Wars was able to survive much worse?

 

[writer0327]

Abrams killing the franchise based on what exactly? TFA is the only filmAbrams has done and it was a hit. You might not like the movie, but its hardly a franchise killer.

 

[Broseph44]

Every post...

Isn't it funny too how after one of them posts the other one shows up right away to agree with them and continue the trolling. And then the back and forth trolling continues from them both, but like Marv said I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same person using 2 accounts.

 

[Broseph44]

I've reported their posts and behavior to the mods. Was hoping they'd get a warning or some action taken for the blatant trolling that continues every day in numerous Star Wars threads and sections. Let's see, giving it some time. They're only gonna get worse and worse.

 

[NealKenneth]

Why are you being so hostile?

You and Darth are responding to all of Grooster's posts lately with name-calling and insults. Just because you are fans of the direction Star Wars is headed doesn't mean you should bully people who disagree.

 

[Grootster]

Holy moly, that triggered a lot of JJ fans. Hopefully no one here loses any sleep over the fact that someone online said something bad about Abrams.

If you all don't like to hear me criticize JJ Abrams or the sequel trilogy, feel free to just ignore-list me or don't read my posts. As I said, this isn't a fanclub for people who want to constantly heap praise on this stuff, if you're entitled to think Abrams is good for the brand, then I'm entitled to think he's bad.

 

[TheVileOne]

NealKenneth definitely lied about Rebels.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why are you being so hostile?

You and Darth are responding to all of Grooster's posts lately with name-calling and insults. Just because you are fans of the direction Star Wars is headed doesn't mean you should bully people who disagree.

You come into the Star Wars forum to complain, make things up to complain and get so hyperbolic to the point that multiple posters point out that you are doing it.

And this isn't a, "you have to like Star Wars" thing. Everyone here complains about Star Wars in one shape or form. Plenty of posters I really like aren't hot on JJ or TFA. That's cool. You just come here to troll and talk about the death of Star Wars. Star Wars is dying, no one buys the toys, no one like TFA, Disney Star Wars is way worse then anything ever. And you say this all as if it is some sort of fact. Like when the release of TLJ comes in December 5 people on Earth are going to see it.

I say the one being hostile here is the ones who come here to consistently try and bring down a forum to their depths of despair for a series they don't even seem to know or care about. Because I will never forgot the classic from Grootster, where he explained he never read the old EU but knows it was better then the new canon material that he has never watched or read, because someone said it was. No knowledge of this material, and yet knows its quality. If that isn't trolling, what is?

 

[Broseph44]

You come into the Star Wars forum to complain, make things up to complain and get so hyperbolic to the point that multiple posters point out that you are doing it.

And this isn't a, "you have to like Star Wars" thing. Everyone here complains about Star Wars in one shape or form. Plenty of posters I really like aren't hot on JJ or TFA. That's cool. You just come here to troll and talk about the death of Star Wars. Star Wars is dying, no one buys the toys, no one like TFA, Disney Star Wars is way worse then anything ever. And you say this all as if it is some sort of fact. Like when the release of TLJ comes in December 5 people on Earth are going to see it.

I say the one being hostile here is the ones who come here to consistently try and bring down a forum to their depths of despair for a series they don't even seem to know or care about. Because I will never forgot the classic from Grootster, where he explained he never read the old EU but knows it was better then the new canon material that he has never watched or read, because someone said it was. No knowledge of this material, and yet knows its quality. If that isn't trolling, what is?

This is why I love you Darth.

 

[sueb1863]

I think the biggest disappointment with the ending of Lost was that a lot of fans guessed it a few weeks into the first season of the show.

Spoiler

I remember a LOT of fans came onto the message boards after the first few episodes and said, "I'll bet they're all dead already and this is some sort of purgatory or afterlife." The show's writers kept denying it and swore the fans were wrong, but darn if it didn't turn out to be exactly right.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think the biggest disappointment with the ending of Lost was that a lot of fans guessed it a few weeks into the first season of the show.

Spoiler

I remember a LOT of fans came onto the message boards after the first few episodes and said, "I'll bet they're all dead already and this is some sort of purgatory or afterlife." The show's writers kept denying it and swore the fans were wrong, but darn if it didn't turn out to be exactly right.

The problem with Lost is it was never going to live up to the mystery if they answered it (it was always going to be easy to guess), but they would have got crap for not answering it.

 

[The Chris]

See for me the island wasn't the afterlife, the flash sideways scenes in the final season were but not the actual island (just a figurative purgatory) so I never agreed with my fellow Lost fans on that.

 

[Man in the Suit]

I think the biggest disappointment with the ending of Lost was that a lot of fans guessed it a few weeks into the first season of the show.

Spoiler

I remember a LOT of fans came onto the message boards after the first few episodes and said, "I'll bet they're all dead already and this is some sort of purgatory or afterlife." The show's writers kept denying it and swore the fans were wrong, but darn if it didn't turn out to be exactly right.

But that's not exactly right.

 

[Grootster]

I think the biggest disappointment with the ending of Lost was that a lot of fans guessed it a few weeks into the first season of the show.

Spoiler

I remember a LOT of fans came onto the message boards after the first few episodes and said, "I'll bet they're all dead already and this is some sort of purgatory or afterlife." The show's writers kept denying it and swore the fans were wrong, but darn if it didn't turn out to be exactly right.

This is also the kind of thing I don't like about Abrams, he flat out lies to the fans. He did the same thing with the second Star Trek. Aside from that, making the ending reveal [BLACKOUT]purgatory/afterlife[/BLACKOUT] seems a bit uninspired after all that apparent buildup. From what I've heard fans were expecting something a little more.

 

[Marvolo]

I think the biggest disappointment with the ending of Lost was that a lot of fans guessed it a few weeks into the first season of the show.

Spoiler

I remember a LOT of fans came onto the message boards after the first few episodes and said, "I'll bet they're all dead already and this is some sort of purgatory or afterlife." The show's writers kept denying it and swore the fans were wrong, but darn if it didn't turn out to be exactly right.

The show's writers denied it because the characters werent dead the whole time. I dont understand why people seem so damn incapable of grasping what Christian told Jack in the series finale. The characters were alive on the island. Everything that happened on the island actually happened. Some of them died on the island. Sawyer and Kate left the island in the series finale and died sometime later. The flash sideways scenes are the only stuff in the show that took place in "purgatory".

So, no, the viewers that think they were dead the while time werent exactly right. In fact they were entirely wrong and still are.