JLA vs avengers

[CBK]

why do u keep having these arguments when all the dc characters are leveled way up I don't care who could win against who because i don't even read dc because i just can't behind there characters.

 

[Tropico]

Not everyone is restricted the same way as you. We're able to appreciate other companies besides Marvel.

 

[CBK]

why settle for 2nd best

 

[Tropico]

Quesada, is that you?

 

[Sloth7d]

i think this question could be answered better if you took 7 of the most powerful members from each team(any incarnation) and then did a vs. thread bc there are heavy hitters, super geniuses,magicians/witches, archers, peak human prep time masters, and speedsters on each side so it's too open to just say who's better without defining exactly who's on which side. for example (this is just mine)

JLA-Superman,Wonder Woman,Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern (Jordan),Zantanna and The Batman.
VS.
The Avengers-Sentry,Iron Man,The Hulk,Quicksilver, Thor,The Scarlet Witch and Captain America.

With this line-up the edge goes to the JLA. The heavy hitters cancel each other out, but the variable lie in the powers and potential of The Flash and Green Lantern.

Sentry,Thor,Ms.Marvel,Hulk,ScarletWhich,Vision,Ironman
VS.
Superman, Greenlantern, Zantanna, Wonderwoman ,MartianManhunter ,Flash ,CaptainMarvel

Avengers WIN!!!!!

 

[CBK]

Just doing my job. Make mine marvel

 

[Sloth7d]

If Daredevil, Cloak, Dagger, etc etc can withstand having the hammer thrown directly at them and living, I think Superman can stand up to a few hits with it.

That was Clor and a robotic hammer. He hardly counts.

 

[Horrorfan]

Seriously, if anyone wants to see how a fight between the two teams would work out, read Squadron Supreme: Death of a Universe tpb.

 

[roach]

I've never said it would be an easy win for Thor or any of the Avengers characters. The title of the thread is "JLA vs. Avengers." As a whole, the Avengers would be able to take about the JLA due to four reasons. 1. Leadership(Cap, Tony, Reed, Clint, T'Challa); 2. Intellect.(Tony, Reed, Pym, Beast, T'Challa); 3. Brute Force(Thor, Sentry, Hercules, Wonderman, Hulk, Cage); 4. Power(Thor, Tony, Quasar, Crystal, Wanda, etc). I'm not saying that the JLA doesn't have memebers to fit those roles, I'm saying that as a collective, the Avengers work alot better together than the JLA. The JLA are problem solvers. In most all their stories they are portrayed as such. They seem to look for the way out of a fight with the least amount of violence. The Avengers FIGHT. It's what they do best. Their ranks are full of member who are too stubborn or hard headed to know when to lay down. They seem to specialize in finding away to fight their way to a win no matter how impossible to odds. Not saying the the JLA don't do that, but the Avengers, going by their stories, seem to be legendary for it.

How much JLA have you actually read???

 

[roach]

Seriously, if anyone wants to see how a fight between the two teams would work out, read Squadron Supreme: Death of a Universe tpb.

or JLAvengers

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

or JLAvengers

where Superman KO Thor for pissing him off.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

How much JLA have you actually read???

Roach, I'm totally with you on this one.

The big seven has taken down a host of angels. They've stopped a creature that destroyed a universe. Power for power, the big seven lineup of the JLA is one of the most formidable teams in all comicdom. Compound this with the fact that, if need be, they can call on several more, far more powerful, members. Zauriel. The Spectre. The Phantom Stranger. Ion. They're all on the JLA. What holds the JLA back from soundly beating the Avengers, in my opinion, is that the majority of the members of the League will not use the full extent of their powers with the readiness that, say, Thor will. Putting it bluntly, while the standard Avengers are outgunned by the Big Seven, the Avengers ramp up much more quickly and efficiently than the JLA.

However, if we remove PIS and CIS, it will take someone with essentially omnipotent power to take down the Big Seven. There's around, what, three Avengers that could take an Infinite Mass Punch on a good day?

 

[The_Mystery]

How much JLA have you actually read???

To answer your question I have the entire JLA run and have been a fan of the team since their first incarnation. I'm sorry, but I'm looking at the fight logically. Everyone likes to point out how "uber-powered" the JLA is but I'm just pointing out that for every ultra powered combatant on the JLA, there is a corresponding member of the Avengers that weilds one of their weakness. For instance, Superman is vulnerable to magic. Thor wields a magic hammer, rivals his strength and surpasses his battle experience. Not to mention the Scarlet Witch who, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, has the power to rewrite reality. Even in the JLA/Avengers mini she took out the JLA with one blast. You want another example: Martian Manhunter. He's vulnerable to fire. Well, there is Flamebird, Firestar and even the Vision with his solar beams. I'm just saying that (and I'm not considering them the be all end all) even Wizard magazine has most of the Avengers members taking down the JLA. Whenever they do their little one on one speculations, it's mostly the Avengers who are victorious. Hell, even in the JLA/Avengers mini, you see how riled up the Avengers got when Supes "took down" Thor. IronMan, Hercules, Wonderman, She-Hulk laid such a whoopin' on Supes. How were they able to do it, because they had dispatched their own oponents, meaning that there were a couple of JLA members laid out on the ground. Yes, their are some members (like Flash and Wonder Woman) that would handle their counterparts, but they would just end up pissing more Avengers off and, just ask Supes, that isn't exactly the best choice. The JLA might be powerful, but it isn't always might that wins the battle. It's strategy, leadership and, sometimes, a little stubborness. The Avengers (well until Civil War at least) always had each other's back and are just too damned hard-headed to stay down. I have a profound love for the JLA. I'm a big Superman, GL and Flash fan, but I'm just looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters and the Avengers stand above the JLA. The JLA might be able to stop the world from exploding, but the Avengers are damn near all soliders, warriors and royalty. The JLA might know "battles", but teh Avengers know WAR.

 

[bkhedr]

SMH @ serious fanboy denial.

1. How come thor can be scratched and bruised by battle with sumbody in from Wrecker to Hulk Range,.. yet he's supposed to be "as" invulnerable" as someone who Needs to expend most of his power stores to even be bruised by someone in that power range after HOURS of fighting?

2. When has Thor EVER "whipped up a portal" to end a fight against a strong foe? I seem to recall that Juggernaut beat him a few times,... coulda just "whipped up a portal" to the bottom of the ocean to "end the fight" HE DOEN'T Use the travel portion of his powers in a fight.

3. Why is it assumed that the God Blast will be utilized? Both are BoyScouts in their own ways and Superman could literally set his heat vision to vaporize, (He is canoned to be able to adjust aperture and intensity), and just waste Thor? Because both are "reluctant" to terminate living intelligent beings,... I don't see him pulling that out unless the planet was in danger or he was in fear of losing his Immortal life,.. So get off the "GOD BLAST TRUMPS ALL" riff.

4. Why do the more illogical of you say things in the same breath like "Superman is way overpowered and therefore boring" and "Thor and Supes are "about" the same strength level?" If "Superman is Overpowered" Then So is Thor "IF" you put him in the same power range.

5. Why is it assumed that Marvel Asgardian Godlet trumps DC Kryptonian Orphan? There are A LOT of characters who Thor cannot whoop in his universe who happen to be Aliens,.. Starting with Thanos and working your way up. (SMILE) Read the Origion of "Beta-Ray-Bill" for an example of sumbody from another planet who WHOOPED THOR.

Heck,... It just isn't enough for Avengers fans to accept that they beat the JLA IF they don't go up against their opposites,.. Some of you are trying to tell lies about THOR to convince yourself that he has a chance unaugmented.

TSK.

wow Varient

frustrated much?

In any case I'm not saying Thor would win. I'm saying he could win. Big Difference. And if the Godblast were utilized (not saying it would be) and it connected (not saying it would) big blue would be toast.

Now what of the above do you find unreasonable?

 

[Horrorfan]

or JLAvengers

AFAIK it's no longer continuity.

 

[roach]

Roach, I'm totally with you on this one.

The big seven has taken down a host of angels. They've stopped a creature that destroyed a universe. Power for power, the big seven lineup of the JLA is one of the most formidable teams in all comicdom. Compound this with the fact that, if need be, they can call on several more, far more powerful, members. Zauriel. The Spectre. The Phantom Stranger. Ion. They're all on the JLA. What holds the JLA back from soundly beating the Avengers, in my opinion, is that the majority of the members of the League will not use the full extent of their powers with the readiness that, say, Thor will. Putting it bluntly, while the standard Avengers are outgunned by the Big Seven, the Avengers ramp up much more quickly and efficiently than the JLA.

However, if we remove PIS and CIS, it will take someone with essentially omnipotent power to take down the Big Seven. There's around, what, three Avengers that could take an Infinite Mass Punch on a good day?

hell I like the Avengers better than the JLA but I have to give it to the League on this one

 

[Sloth7d]

I don't know. People like Sentry, Thor, Ironman, CaptainAmerica and Hulk make me lean towards the Avengers beating this one.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wasn't the Silver Surfer in the Avengers for an issue or two?

 

[samurai black]

Can someone posts pics of JLA/AVENGERS or the Squadron Supreme tpb? Or IM them.

 

[ibsisomis]

I said it before and i'll say it again. the avnegers have too many power houses for the JLA. if hulk, thor, sentry, scarlett witch, cap and iron man show up. the JLA are gonna have a looooonnnnggggg day! there is nobody on the JLA that can handle hulk or can even hang except supes. but then who is gonna take care of thor or sentry if supes is too busy with hulk (and busy he will be)? while flash is running around trying to take advantage against sentry or thor, scarlett witch can send him away to another universe or slow his own reality down, making im feel slower and able to be hit once or twice by the god of thunder. then we know that cap is gonna beat batman, ironman and green lantern will be good but i give that one to GL. but while he's finishing up with tony, sentry will take him out from behind seeing as how supes is still busy fighting hulk. by the time supes and hulk's fight is wrapping up in some strange instance where supes will start to win, he turns around and standing there is all his teamates beaten and battered. and standing before him is thor and sentry. i'm sorry i know he's the man of steel but isn't gonna even stand a chance against both of those 2 power houses!

 

[torkibe]

I said it before and i'll say it again. the avnegers have too many power houses for the JLA. if hulk, thor, sentry, scarlett witch, cap and iron man show up. the JLA are gonna have a looooonnnnggggg day! there is nobody on the JLA that can handle hulk or can even hang except supes. but then who is gonna take care of thor or sentry if supes is too busy with hulk (and busy he will be)? while flash is running around trying to take advantage against sentry or thor, scarlett witch can send him away to another universe or slow his own reality down, making im feel slower and able to be hit once or twice by the god of thunder. then we know that cap is gonna beat batman, ironman and green lantern will be good but i give that one to GL. but while he's finishing up with tony, sentry will take him out from behind seeing as how supes is still busy fighting hulk. by the time supes and hulk's fight is wrapping up in some strange instance where supes will start to win, he turns around and standing there is all his teamates beaten and battered. and standing before him is thor and sentry. i'm sorry i know he's the man of steel but isn't gonna even stand a chance against both of those 2 power houses!

Except Wonderwoman and Martian Manhunter are pretty close to Supes level. Either one of them could physically stand up to the Hulk. Now add to the fact that both can fly, and have other powers and weapons at their disposal, and either one of them has a chance of beating the Hulk, or at the very least keeping him occupied. Wanda would have to see the Flash to send him to another dimension and Zatanna might have something to say about that anyway. Also, if you're going to include anyone who has EVER been a member of the Avengers, you have to include anyone who has EVER been a member of the Justice League, so let's throw Captain Marvel into the mix... Superman's equal in almost every way, but oh... He doesn't have that pesky magic thing so I'm betting he'll have a grand ole time with Thor. My money is CM. As far as Iron Man is concerned, I don't think GL would be dealing with him, I'm thinking Hawkman would be dealing with him, freeing up GL to deal with someone else, probably the Hulk. So that leaves us with the guy who I always said was the X-Factor... The Sentry. Which Sentry comes out to play? While Supes spars with him, MM messes with his head and makes him think the Void is back. Bob being the Hero he is, flies off into some remote region of outerspace where the Void can't hurt anyone.

 

[ibsisomis]

Bravo my friend! Only one thing, there is no way and I mean no way that WW or MM can match Hulk. they aren't nearly as durable or as strong. I do agree with ironman not being much of a competitor in this fight though, but hawkman stand no chance against tony. No factual scans to prove it just of course my feelings but I don't see hawkman beating iron man. GL couln't stop Hulk either. CM probably would take Thor I'll give it to you there but in the Marvel Vs. Dc comic thor handed CM his booty! But I almost wish that comic series had never come out. why the hell did I even bring that crap up! oh wells, I'm not anti-Dc but there are too many characters on the roster that I don't like that much. oh and besides, MM would have his hands full with vision seeing how he is vulnerable to fire and vision as stated before has a "type" of heat vision. but your right it just depends on who is chosen to fight and who isn't. But my money is on the avengers because of leadership as someone else has said it as well.

 

[Sloth7d]

Except Wonderwoman and Martian Manhunter are pretty close to Supes level. Either one of them could physically stand up to the Hulk. Now add to the fact that both can fly, and have other powers and weapons at their disposal, and either one of them has a chance of beating the Hulk, or at the very least keeping him occupied. Wanda would have to see the Flash to send him to another dimension and Zatanna might have something to say about that anyway. Also, if you're going to include anyone who has EVER been a member of the Avengers, you have to include anyone who has EVER been a member of the Justice League, so let's throw Captain Marvel into the mix... Superman's equal in almost every way, but oh... He doesn't have that pesky magic thing so I'm betting he'll have a grand ole time with Thor. My money is CM. As far as Iron Man is concerned, I don't think GL would be dealing with him, I'm thinking Hawkman would be dealing with him, freeing up GL to deal with someone else, probably the Hulk. So that leaves us with the guy who I always said was the X-Factor... The Sentry. Which Sentry comes out to play? While Supes spars with him, MM messes with his head and makes him think the Void is back. Bob being the Hero he is, flies off into some remote region of outerspace where the Void can't hurt anyone.

Sentry is resistant to telepathy, and Ironmans armor can protect his friends from it aswell.
And Ironman would murder Hawkman as would Hulk do to GL.

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't remember any instance where Quicksilver gave the Flash any trouble at all when the two of them were fighting at top capacity.

In JLA/Avengers, the Flash pretty much spent every moment against Quicksilver laughing at him for his slowness. There was no contest.

Storm gave Wonder Woman trouble in Marvel vs. DC. That s**t is so not reliable as any source of anything, I don't even know why it keeps getting referenced. Also it was a decade ago, and Wally's abilities have pretty much quadrupled since then.

 

[samurai black]

I'm not sure of Zantanna full potential but we've all seen what Scarlett Witch can do. Given any scenario where she starts to lose it, all it would take is for her to utter, "NO MORE JUSTICE LEAGUE!", and the fight is over. The next morning lex luthor wakes up to hear lex jr. crying and lois leaning over saying "It's your turn honey."