JLA vs avengers

[The_Mystery]

Cap vs. Bats- CAP
Hercules vs. Wonder Woman- WONDER WOMAN
Quicksilver vs. Flash- FLASH
Vison vs. Martian Manhunter- VISION
Scarlet Witch vs. Zatanna- DRAW
Wasp vs. Atom- WASP
Ms. Marvel vs. Hawkman- HAWKMAN
Sentry vs. GL- SENTRY
Thor vs. Supes- DRAW
Iron Man vs. Aquaman- IRON MAN
Moondragon vs. Green Arrow- MOONDRAGON

What do you guys think?

 

[roach]

that is the biggest problem with vs threads....because any arguement anyone gives involves someone using their power in a way they never did and the opponent just standing there and taking it

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Cap vs. Bats- CAP
Hercules vs. Wonder Woman- WONDER WOMAN
Quicksilver vs. Flash- FLASH
Vison vs. Martian Manhunter- VISION
Scarlet Witch vs. Zatanna- DRAW
Wasp vs. Atom- WASP
Ms. Marvel vs. Hawkman- HAWKMAN
Sentry vs. GL- SENTRY
Thor vs. Supes- DRAW
Iron Man vs. Aquaman- IRON MAN
Moondragon vs. Green Arrow- MOONDRAGON

What do you guys think?

That you've got some glaring flaws in judgement.

I'd take Martian Manhunter over Vision 7 out of 10.

Scarlet Witch over Zatanna based on feats, badly written or no.

Ms. Marvel over Hawkman SO easy.

The Thor/Supes match is quite close, but I'd take Thor.

Aquaman over Iron Man unless there's some type of special armor, but I suppose I could leave a window open for that match.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Ok, we can agree that Cap is a better tactitian than anyone on the JLA right?

So they would be more able to decide the match ups. So instead of quicksilver getting destroyed by flash, Sentry would take out Flash. Other than that, Mystery's list is prety accurate to how it would go down in terms of the matching up, altho the victorry's are a lil wrong in places.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

yeah but cant Flash bleed/rob people of their speed

Depends. Sentry is actually a chronologically displaced being. His power comes from jumping through time. And since his speed is rather extreme, chances are Flash (for once) might be too slow to do much about him.

 

[Marvin]

yea flash steals kinetic energy, not time displacement
(which is why he eats superman for dinner)

 

[The_Mystery]

that's funny, but in actually fact are you denying that he's vulnerable to science?
r u really
Yes, I am. There is nothing that specifically says the he's vulnerable to science. Sure a big honkin' science fiction guy could hurt him. I'm not denying that, but it's not labelled as a specific vulnerability, you're arguing semantics with me.


hmm
there good leaders eh, would u say that Diana(princess and leader of race of warriors) is a capable leader?
Superman?
Batman?
J'onn
are capable leaders?

cause they have all at one time or another led the team(and various others) to glorious victory.

ur point was that Cap is soo damn good that he makes the team that much better than their opponets...they need him if they are to be as good as to take out the big7....
so if he ain't there...that kinda means they're not that good
and you have to be (triple H) that damn good if your going to take them out

ie, are they really as mighty with Hawkeye leading?I didn't say they were as good as Cap. Yes, the leadership would falter a little, but Jan is a good leader. Tony is a great leader. The Avengers would still do alright. Cap's leadership would just push them over the edge.




just looking at a possible scenario...
thing is if they take bat's out of the fight, the rest of the team isn't as relaint on his presence to make them "mighty"Actually, I've seen instances when Bats was taken out of the fight and the members of the JLA would stand around and wish for Bats to be there to help them out of a jam. It happens throughout Morrison's JLA run.




(supermans words, not mine)
J'onns never stopped being vulnerable to naked flame, the rules just changed no? he stopped fearing it, or it had to be a flame with negative emotion behind it....Whatever Superman's words were DC COMICS just said this week in "52" that he's vulnerable to fire. Go read the issue. Plain and simple to me.

either way, fire use on the team or no, he's still just as big a threat...Didn't say he wasn't, but if he gets near any flame, it's the end of the road for J'onn.

do you want to know why?
(good cause i'll tell you)

Captian america would last what 1 maybe 5 seconds against Superman right? Didn't say he wouldn't, just saying that Cap is smart enough to not take him on, but call on some help.
but cap doesn't go up against superman(or flash or anyone with real powers) instead due to the faulty nature of these vs threads people match up with their counter parts...

my point, if cap would be smart enough not to engage superman...and infact try to avoid him and do something more productive...Yes, he would be smart enough not to. Look at any battle with the Squadron Supreme. Cap doesn't jump into a fight with Hyperion, he sends his big gun, Thor, after him.

why would J'onn head straight for his "weakness" on the battle field.
good i'm glad you agree
now, back to what i was saying...Not saying he would, but if anyone on the Avengers saw J'onn flinch at fire, it only takes one call for Firebird or Vision to come over and "light" J'onn up.

He's packing enough versitility to take out both teams...



he doesn't use it all the time...
but he does sometimes?When Flash is in battle with a group of people, he never seems to do it. Why do you have a problem with me saying that? He didn't steal Pietro's speed in JLA/Avengers and he didn't do it in Marvel vs. DC.

so i guess today is Pietro's lucky day right Like I said before, Pietro would get beat down by Flash, but all it takes is a helping hand. Especially if that hand belongs to someone like Namor or Sentry.

that's use it sometimes bit is tired...i'll admitt that alot of the time stories need it to further the plot...
but with the nature of these vs threads it's very tired.

(thor doesn't use his godblast(or rather his wide range of attacks) in every fight... so guess what? it's not a factor.
Fallace! I'm not using the godblast because it's a cheat. Yes, Thor can do it, but he doesn't use it all the time. He uses his MAGIC HAMMER all the time though.

time out...how does sentry "take out flash?" He has the "Power of a Billion Exploding Suns" dude. He's just as fast as Flash and a million times stronger. Dude, he just flew up to the sun and didn't flinch (Check the last issue of the recent Sentry Mini-series, for all you sticklers )




sure, but if want to give both teams full credit than JLA takes it all the way

the fact that half the roster can possible take out the planet demands itAnd the Avengers have enough power to destroy the planet and warp reality. What's your point.

You don't even like the Avengers do you?t:

 

[Marvin]

Ok, we can agree that Cap is a better tactitian than anyone on the JLA right?

So they would be more able to decide the match ups. So instead of quicksilver getting destroyed by flash, Sentry would take out Flash. Other than that, Mystery's list is prety accurate to how it would go down in terms of the matching up, altho the victorry's are a lil wrong in places.

i don't agree

cap is a better tactition/leader/demanding to be followed than anyone on the jla

and that combination makes him a better leader than anyone

but J'onn and Bats can no doubt out "Tacked" him

and supes is more of an inspiration.

caps just a better leader

 

[Genesis 1.0]

To be exact, Sentry exists what, a second ahead the timestream? So despite Flash's abilities, he'd always be 1 second too slow. That has to be a first.

 

[Marvin]

To be exact, Sentry exists what, a second ahead the timestream? So despite Flash's abilities, he'd always be 1 second too slow. That has to be a first.

actually he had a similar problem with Prof Zoom...

he delt with it

 

[Genesis 1.0]

actually he had a similar problem with Prof Zoom...

he delt with it

Keyword: smiliar. If you want to go that route then anyone that's beat Batman could be viewed as able to take down Cap just because they're similar. Not the case.

 

[Cyrusbales]

i don't agree

cap is a better tactition/leader/demanding to be followed than anyone on the jla

and that combination makes him a better leader than anyone

but J'onn and Bats can no doubt out "Tacked" him

and supes is more of an inspiration.

caps just a better leader

Whilst cap may not be able to find a way to use tactics to beat supes himself, he would be able to arrange his team in such a way they have an advantage.

I think sentry would be able to take out the JLA, the other avengers keep them busy whilst Sentry takes them outi n order of speed, first Falsh, then supes, then WW and MM.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Whilst cap may not be able to find a way to use tactics to beat supes himself, he would be able to arrange his team in such a way they have an advantage.

I think sentry would be able to take out the JLA, the other avengers keep them busy whilst Sentry takes them outi n order of speed, first Falsh, then supes, then WW and MM.

*Shakes his head and walks away*

 

[Cyrusbales]

*Shakes his head and walks away*

I'd like to see you take out Sentry

 

[roach]

*Shakes his head and walks away*

yeah I think im done too

 

[Genesis 1.0]

yeah I think im done too

Yeah well that'll do it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I thought Flash stole speed, not direct kinetic energy, as well as distributed speed, and not direct kinetic energy?

Hmm... Methinks I need to take a look at stuff real quick.

However, for the Sentry, his basic variety of powers are still up in the air. He pulls in energy from any light source, and possibly any energy source, producing what some believe to be a near infinite energy source, has shown that he can split his forms, and have drastically different powers in each form, speed possibly comparable to the Silver Surfer, durability and strength that can easily stand up to the Hulk (his weaker persona can destroy the Hulk with ease), can "repair" problems with humans (such as fix mental chemical disorders), and due to the very nature of his powers, may quite possibly have time related powers. And like said, his powers are still undefined to levels or even just what he might be capable of doing. We know he doesn't need air, and we know he can survive the deep vaccuum of space, and direct exposure to the sun in super close proximity.

I just don't see Flash winning.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

actually he had a similar problem with Prof Zoom...

he delt with it

Actually, he couldn't drain Zoom.

 

[Varient]

Whilst cap may not be able to find a way to use tactics to beat supes himself, he would be able to arrange his team in such a way they have an advantage.

I think sentry would be able to take out the JLA, the other avengers keep them busy whilst Sentry takes them outi n order of speed, first Falsh, then supes, then WW and MM.

(chuckle)
While the JLA calmly take a number and wait their turn to be beat by sentry.

"Keep them busy?"



LOL


Whatever.

 

[roach]

I thought Flash stole speed, not direct kinetic energy, as well as distributed speed, and not direct kinetic energy?

Hmm... Methinks I need to take a look at stuff real quick.

However, for the Sentry, his basic variety of powers are still up in the air. He pulls in energy from any light source, and possibly any energy source, producing what some believe to be a near infinite energy source, has shown that he can split his forms, and have drastically different powers in each form, speed possibly comparable to the Silver Surfer, durability and strength that can easily stand up to the Hulk (his weaker persona can destroy the Hulk with ease), can "repair" problems with humans (such as fix mental chemical disorders), and due to the very nature of his powers, may quite possibly have time related powers. And like said, his powers are still undefined to levels or even just what he might be capable of doing. We know he doesn't need air, and we know he can survive the deep vaccuum of space, and direct exposure to the sun in super close proximity.

I just don't see Flash winning.

didnt know all that...I'd put him against Ion then

 

[The_Mystery]

That you've got some glaring flaws in judgement.

I'd take Martian Manhunter over Vision 7 out of 10. The Vision negates alot of Martian Manhunter's abilities. By "negate" I mean, his telepathy is useless against a robot, they both can become intangeble, they both fly and can alter their mass. They both even have energy-firing abilities. The one thing Vision has over J'onn is his "solar-beams." If, going by "52," J'onn is still vulnerable to fire, then one of Vision's solar beams is gonna start some sort of flame and then it's just one phase from Vision away from J'onn being taken out the fight.

Scarlet Witch over Zatanna based on feats, badly written or no.I basically went on the "assumption" that their magics would cancel each other out. Although, and this is just my opinion, but I think that Wanda is more powerful even though I think Zatanna would have some tricks up her sleeves. So it becomes a draw.

Ms. Marvel over Hawkman SO easy. Hawkman has been a fighter for years and, not taking anything away from Ms. Marvel, but he's basically DC's Wolverine. He's the best he is at what he does and what he does is fight. Also, there is no energy from Hawkman for Ms. Marvel to absorb. It just basically comes down to who is the better fighter and it would be Hawkman.

The Thor/Supes match is quite close, but I'd take Thor. I say draw because I think this match would only end if another team member came in and helped either combatant. They would fight forever. Seeing as how in my scenario the Avengers come out the winner, Supes would be going down.

Aquaman over Iron Man unless there's some type of special armor, but I suppose I could leave a window open for that match. There is no way, in any universe, that Aquaman is beating Tony. Aquaman has a hard time fighting Black Manta, so Tony would just wail on him. You're talking about the most sophisticated and powerful "war-suit" none to man piloted by one of the smartest men alive who has been enhanced to basically be able to "speak" to computers vs. the king of the seas who is stronger than the average person, can swim underwater and can control sealife. Oh yeah, he can control water too, right, I'm not sure. Aquaman would get his @$$ handed to him.

Avengers win, plain and simple.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I can almost see keep them busy. But some of their players would just eat the Avengers straight through, giving the JLA a similar tactic.

They COULD rely totally on Superman, using their other members to "hold off" the Avengers until they can team up on the others.

Superman beats Iron Man, then the chain starts going down.

Unfortunately, for these tactics to work, we'd have to decide who fights who, and since we don't know, or at least, have not even come to a consensus, the "keep them at bay" theory won't hold down.

If the Sentry IS as powerful as they originally wanted him to be. Yes, of course the Sentry could do it. If he was half that powerful, he probably could. But currently, the Sentry is either: One, holding back in fear of the Void, which creates a maybe just above Thor level character, or Two, isn't capable of even breaching that level anymore (though it may be possible that his powers increase dramatically when the Void breaks away, releasing a possible restriction.) But since the Sentry is a definite unknown factor, we can't just say, "Sentry decides it."

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

didnt know all that...I'd put him against Ion then

Yeah, that would be quite a fight. But only if the Sentry is at half the levels he was at when he first had premiered.

 

[The_Mystery]

I'm sorry...did someone post that Cap is not an inspiration?! He's the symbol of freakin' America!!! He's the entire reason Civil War exists in the MU right now!!! If Cap had gone along with the Registration Act, I guarantee that the "Resistance" would be alot smaller than it is now. People follow Cap because he's damn near always right in every battle situation. I can't say the same for Supes. By the way, I would rather follow a great leader who is an inspiration than someone who is just an inspiration.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

People would also follow Superman based on the fact he's Superman. If anything, he's just as big an inspiration as is Captain America.