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[Kevin]

meh.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Nice, so one last F U from JMS. Go suck the pipe, you hack.

 

[Kevin]

lol

 

[stillanerd]

Anyone read this: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/002865580.cfm

I reckon this is the end of the Spidey marriage.

Yup, but a couple of things I glean from it:

1. Definately the Spider-Marriage will be no more.
2. Considering how Joe Q has stated that making Peter an widower or a divorcee would age the character even more than him being married, you can bet those options are off the table, which leads to
3. He says Dr. Strange is "very important to the story." This can mean only one thing--MAGIC is somehow involved in disolving the Spider-Marriage.
4. If there's references to things that have happened early in JMS's run, that can only mean...you got it MORE NEW AGE MYSTICAL SPIDER-TOTEM CRAP!
5. Back when the unmasking first happened, I posted this bit of speculation on the Newsarama boards about how this could be undone: http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2081770&postcount=203
Maybe I'm not so far off. However, the other option is...

Time Travel Seriously, folks, considering the state Spidey is in, no thanks to Joe Q and JMS interestingly enough, this actually seems like one of the few options left to get rid of the unmasking (which quite a few people have a problem with), not to mention the marriage (which most people BTW have ZERO problem with).

BTW SIAT, weren't you the one on the boards several months back that you overheard this being a possible "solution" to Spider-Man at the Phily Comic Con?)

 

[DACrowe]

Given his stance on the marriage and he is gleefully drawing the four arc run....it seems pretty final they are somehow ending the Spider-Marriage.

Good job Marvel, you've officially killed Stan Lee's creation by doing this. Now he is just another static and boring title once this is complete. Woo-hoo.

 

[Kevin]

Going forward by moving backwards.

 

[Spade]

And the EIC says he owes it all to JMS. “Joe [Straczynski] is giving me a crash course in the Marvel Universe. ‘It’s sink or swim, kid,’ he likes to say. I’m just trying to keep up with him.”

If Straczynski comes on later saying "it was all Quesada's idea" it's going to be a bit hard to do after lines like this. That aside, this only reaffirms my belief this man should have been off the books long ago. Great writer, horrible storyteller- we all know where this is 'new life-changing twist' is going. Love how they call his run a "great Spider-Man era"...

 

[Kevin]

You know what? I've been thinking about this all night, and now i'm pissed.

Okay, they want to get rid of MJ? I accept that. If they wanted to kill her? I accept that. If they broke up? I accept that. If she killed someone and went to jail? I accept that too. But it would go too far, not saying that they will do this but, If they suddenly made Mj "Forget"...

You know how people felt during the clone saga when they found out that Ben was the real Peter Parker, and the Peter they'd been reading was the clone, therefore making the stories with the clone pointless because he wasn't the real spider-man? If they Made her forget, They'd make her whole history pointless, to me.

It'd make everything JMS had done with the character--hell, the WHOLE BOOK pointless. It'd make all of my spider-man comics with her in it pointless, I wouldn't even want them anymore. Sure, it's pretty easy to write a character to forget, but what about me? I'd still remember, and that'd be bulljack.

I would NEVER trust JMS as a writer again, and become one of the "JMS bashers." he'd be the writer "who Made 6 years of pointless spider-man stories."

I had more t say, but I'm tired and I forgot. Times like this I wish Ben really WAS the real spider-man. That way, they'd just leave **** be. No good talentless assed writing hacks.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

You know how people felt during the clone saga when they found out that Ben was the real Peter Parker, and the Peter they'd been reading was the clone, therefore making the stories with the clone pointless because he wasn't the real spider-man?

I believe the point of that storyline was that Peter Parker lived a real life and saved others whether he was a clone or not - that it's not biology that makes the man but rather the soul, and the life moments an individual creates regardless of origin. But I don't want to pull this wonderful thread off topic, I understand the analogy you're trying to get across and agree. I also say wonderful thread because hagnammit, I've waited for this thread ever since coming back to Spider-Man long after the Reboot kicked me off my post, only to have JMS's storylines almost lose me forever. So he's going, that's great - so he'll probably make even more damage before he's outta there - that's not so great. But one day, after he's gone, eventually someone will clean up Spider-Man and it won't be JMS. Just on that alone... oh yes, I have faith.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Or maybe erase MJ's memory......so that she doesnt remember gettign married to Pete.

Pete tell Strange to wipe her memories b/c he's hurt her too much. Or even wipe her memories of even meeting Peter.

Now that would be retcon.

(Thank goodness I'm not on AMAZING, eh?)t:

 

[arachnid-guy]

Having said that, I am actually looking forward to 'the end'.

Im excited.

 

[shinlyle]

Sorry I'm late....let me out in my two cents...

F*** YOU JOE Q!!! F*** YOU, JMS!!!

I HAVE NEVER seen the marriage as anything "controversial", and neither have more than half the fans polled on this board, Newsarama, and every other method of opinion taking in the freakin' free world. You sorry sacks of s*** just need an excuse to ruin one last f***ing thing before you send JMS packing from a book that he has managed to drag through nothing but mud and s*** for the past 3 f***ing years!!!

"Let's end the marriage"....yeah, seeing as how you and the increasingly s***ty writing staff you keep under your emply at Marvel seem incapable of working in the bounds of PROGRESSIVE storytelling, you're going to hit your freakin' "RESET" button so that the writers can go back and reinvent the wheel by writing more of the same "Bad-luck Bachelor" stories that were done by FAR greater writers such as Stan Lee, Gerry Conway, Roger Stern, and every other Spider-writer who actually enjoyed seeing a character move forward with his life.

Why don't you dipS****s just pull a "DC" and have a "Crisis" so you can go back and retell everything from their origin onward all over again until you mess things up so badly that you have to do it again in 20 freakin' years?! HUH?! WHY NOT?!?!

This is just further proof that Joe Q doesn't know what he's doing. Look how much better Daredevil got as soon as he walked away and ignored him to do a crap-tastic miniseries called "FATHER". Hell, I'd be more pissed about this news if it wasn't for the fact that we probably won't see this "event" completed until sometime around the release of Spider-Man 4.


This will be it for me. I will undoubtedly be off of Spider-Man after this. I've read stories featuring the single Peter, and I've read them featuring the married Peter. Personally, I though it always amplified Peter's sense of responsibility to hav ehim a married man trying to be a good husband and a superhero. It really made (or could have made) for some interesting reading, but NO, they have to re-emphasize that Peter will NEVER have anyone, thus making every relationship after this one seem moot, as we will all know that the powers that be will never allow any relationship after this to become anything more than a temporary commitment before they either kill off the girl, or send her packing.


Now, I've vented, and I feel a bit better. Now, I'll let the logic kick in.

There is a slight chance that this is all just misdirection and that we're all being played like a harp from hell. It's very possible that this could all deal with something else, and that perhaps what JMS and Joey Q are setting out to do is to simply "fix" the marriage, as opposed to destroying it or killing off Mary Jane. I hope that is the case, then again, we've seen what happens when they try to "fix" things.

Personally, I think this will all revolve around Mary Jane questioning whether or not Peter loves her as much as he once loved Gwen, and Peter begins to question it as well. So, perhaps Peter is given a chance to have "one more day" with Gwen, to really ascertain his feelings. It would make perfect sense, as JMS has rehashed and dug up Gwen's corpse numerous times during his run, and this would be a logical closing point for him.

Still, the outcome of such a story is questionable, as it would involve one of two outcomes: Peter realizes he wants MJ, and they continue to live and love each other as their wedding vows said, or, Peter realizes MJ isn't Gwen, and MJ decides she can't play second fiddle to Peter's feelings for his now long-dead first love.

Either way, the fact that Marvel even considers going backwards to be moving forward is totally stupid and preposterous. Nothign will be accomplished by ending the Peter Parker & Mary Jane union except for JMS to have one more "I f***ed the Spider-man fans" notch in his belt as he exits the scene.

Well, You won't be getting my money, you asses. No freakin' way.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Originally Posted by Wizard Entertainment
And the EIC says he owes it all to JMS. “Joe [Straczynski] is giving me a crash course in the Marvel Universe. ‘It’s sink or swim, kid,’ he likes to say. I’m just trying to keep up with him.”


Errrr, JMS was schooling fat ass on the MU??? HOW? The man doesn't know a FREAKING THING about the MU! He never got anything right, and he pulled explanations out of his ass for things that were already established DIFFERENTLY for YEARS!

Wow...Dumb ass and Dumber ass. Unreal. My ban on Spider-Man comics is now stronger than ever.

 

[kainedamo]

I'm in complete agreement that ending the marriage would be a complete mistake. I intend to drop all my Spidey books if and when it happens. I've been saying that for awhile. I feel that MJ is integral to the Spidey mythos. She must stay alive, and she must stay in love and married to Peter. There are many reasons for this - one of the reasons for this is MJ is one of the only things that keeps Peter sane and happy. Remember issue 500 when Uncle Ben asks Peter if he's happy and he says yes? It's only because of Aunt May and MJ. Without MJ, Peter would be completely lost. And a couple of years down the line... they'd have Peter dating again. I cannot accept that. I can't accept it because it does not make any sense. Like I said, if Peter lost MJ, he'd lose himself.

That said, it is all Joe Q's idea. With or without JMS, we would be seeing an end to the Spidey marriage.

I'll buy the issues of "One More Day", and if indeed the marriage is over, I won't buy anymore Spidey books.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Holy crap, we agree on something. Well, there's goes the neighborhood!

 

[Kevin]

But hey, we never know. This could be the "Bring back gwen for one more day." Hell, we might finally see Peter tell her he's spider-man and see how she'd react to that.

 

[kainedamo]

But hey, we never know. This could be the "Bring back gwen for one more day." Hell, we might finally see Peter tell her he's spider-man and see how she'd react to that.

Could be.

I'm thinking, its possible that Joey Q has been pulling our collective legs all of this time.

What if this story is not what it seems? "One more day" - with Gwen Stacy?

Or maybe Aunt May dies?

Maybe they do the completely unexpected and have MJ become pregnant? Sigh, we can only hope.

How likely is it that Joey Q is full of crap and the marriage isn't ending?

 

[Kevin]

Do you want an answer? I think you already know

 

[diespinne]

5. Back when the unmasking first happened, I posted this bit of speculation on the Newsarama boards about how this could be undone: http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2081770&postcount=203
Maybe I'm not so far off.

Yup, it looks like that is exactly how it will play-out. One More Day for Peter and MJ to share what they have before all that knowledge and history are wiped-out of her mind...

Doesn't Loki owe Spidey a favor or something as well?

 

[shinlyle]

So...this "Controversial Marriage" is liked by damn near everyone on this thread....including people who NEVER agree on ANYTHING.

It seems the only people who DON'T like it are about 10 readers and at least 3 working professionals. You'll have to excuse me if I am entertaining the idea of vomitting on Joe Q the next time I see him. It's the least I can do for all the vomit he's placed in my lap via these asanine ideas he seems so intent on publishing. Argh.


Also, of all the artists on all the earth, who though to themselves "Joey Q would be the best choice! Sure, he puts books out at a snail's pace, and he's forgotten everything about anatomy, but we should get him to draw Spider-Man! It'll be cool!"

Really, if he weren't EIC, he wouldn't be getting to draw this. Then again, crappy art should go with this all-too-lame story.

Okay, his art isn't that bad, but it's a long way from where it was when he was drawing "Guardian Devil".

 

[shinlyle]

Yup, it looks like that is exactly how it will play-out. One More Day for Peter and MJ to share what they have before all that knowledge and history are wiped-out of her mind...

Doesn't Loki owe Spidey a favor or something as well?

I'm half-expecting them to do a mind-wipe at this point as well. What a cop-out. I just wish that the pros would listen to the fans just one freakin' time. They tried getting rid of MJ once, and it failed miserably. They're trying to get her to lose her memory now, and have Peter and MJ be like they were never married. Really, who the hell thinks up this s***?! ARGH!!

Watch out Reed & Sue, T'Challa & Storm, and any other fictional character who dares to achieve any smidgen of happiness....because Joey Q will make it as if never happened.

As for Loki, he died with all the other Norse Gods during Ragnarok back in "Disassembled".

 

[DACrowe]

Oh ****.

It seems final. This arc will probably be Spidey and Doctor Strange going back in time to erase everyone knowing his identity....BUT by doing this for some reason (maybe Pete chooses to, so he can "protect" MJ) they decide to erase MJ finding out all those years ago. And by doing this they never meet and he never dated, wooed or married MJ and is instead a swinging bachelor probably still living with his aunt in Queens after this issue.

When that happens I lose all respect for the Spidey comics and I'll probably just quit reading them. Because it means Marvel is giving in and making him a static character no different than Lois Lane and Superman during the 1950s. When that happens the progressive and happy superhero created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko is no more.

Alas, alas indeed.

 

[USMC]

Goddammit, will Joe Q just have a ****ing heart attack and die already?!

Biggest piece of **** in comics today. Seperating Pete and MJ will be the biggest mistake Marvel has ever made. Glad I stopped buying a long time ago.

Spider-Man isn't ****ing Batman and Daredevil. Guess they really want him to be, though.

Sonsa*****es, hope they ****in choke on their damn comics.

 

[kainedamo]

Romita JR should be able to draw the story.

Not only do I consider Romita JR the best Spidey artist, but JMS' best work was when Romita JR was on the title.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

By repeatedly referring to the Spider-Marriage as "controversial", JQ/Marvel/Newsarama etc. are collaborating to retro-actively change a public perception's history.