The Force Awakens John Boyega as Finn

[KRYPTON INC.]

I liked John's energy and his regular every day ness if you will.

 

[Eros]

which was the problem, Finn was raised as a storm trooper yet he displays non of the qualities you would expect from someone indoctrinated buy a Nazi like organization since he was a baby. While I loved the character, he didn't seem like a trained soldier to me.

 

[Mogwai]

Finn reminded of Luke in the OT. I think he'll grow and mature in the next two episodes.

 

[Havok83]

which was the problem, Finn was raised as a storm trooper yet he displays non of the qualities you would expect from someone indoctrinated buy a Nazi like organization since he was a baby. While I loved the character, he didn't seem like a trained soldier to me.

I thought it was implied that something about him was different. There was a reason he wasnt fully brainwashed like the others

 

[Voltron]

which was the problem, Finn was raised as a storm trooper yet he displays non of the qualities you would expect from someone indoctrinated buy a Nazi like organization since he was a baby. While I loved the character, he didn't seem like a trained soldier to me.

I'd equate Finn rejecting the stormtrooper lifestyle with being raised Catholic from birth and becoming an atheist later on. Also Finn said that was his first stormtrooper mission in the village and he just knows evil deeds and killing innocents is so not him.

 

[spider-neil]

I thought it was implied that something about him was different. There was a reason he wasnt fully brainwashed like the others

That's how I see it. His personality is so different from normal Storm troopers that is how he is able to break the brainwashing.

 

[chamber-music]

The first orders indoctrination clearly didn't take with Finn. We don't know why, it is possible there is something special about Finn that is yet to be revealed

 

[godisawesome]

No indoctrination is 100% effective, especially if it's applied to young children. History usually shows that indoctrination works best against people who are already susceptible to it; young men who came out of childhood looking for a new cause were prime targets for Stalinism and Naziism, while kids raised inside those systems would eventually find some kind of conflict with it, with a few generally escaping. Even child slave soldiers have breakdowns, like that one Janissary who wound up leading Albania against the Ottoman Empire. Plus, Finn's anger at Phasma (who actually has a name instead of a serial number) implies that the indoctrination didn't defend against the regular resentment that would naturally crop up if people get indoctrinated.

The closest they've got to an immediate comparison is the clones from the Clone Wars, and we saw that even with literal mind control plugs in their brains, the new canon shows some of the clones managed to avoid Order 66. And a few who did follow it are recorded as acting against the Empire's interests shortly afterwards.

And note that they've got a reconditioning program; you only need to fix something if it gets broken. Finn was unusual in that his break away took place with zero prior demerits or issues. The fact that they've got the apparatus to deal with "broken" troopers, and the speed with which Phasma noticed his break, implies that there is at least a broad spectrum of indoctrination. It seems the Troopers may be formed just as much to efficiently use the First Order's manpower limitations as to ensure loyalty. Makes Kylo Ren's clones comment a might bit more interesting.

 

[Golgo-13]

They touched upon the fact that he's the first Storm Trooper to go rogue. Plus he wasnt a soildier, he worked sanitation. It seemed like the Jakku slaughter was his first military style mission.

 

[The Infernal]

I loved Finn. Thought he was a great character and enjoyed his range of emotions. It was like he had little impulse control once he stopped being a Stormtrooper. Was a bit disappointed he wasn't force sensitive though.

I did feel a bit mis-sold on that given some of the marketing and his wielding of a lightsabre. I have to admit though that I didn't follow every trailer or bit of news prior to release. Plus I'm of the opinion that non-Jedi/Sith generally shouldn't be able to wield lightsabres effectively.

They touched upon the fact that he's the first Storm Trooper to go rogue. Plus he wasnt a soildier, he worked sanitation. It seemed like the Jakku slaughter was his first military style mission.

I think there is dialogue from Finn that implies that was his first mission. Can't recall who he says it to, but he describes feeling what they were doing was wrong and wanting nothing to do with the First Order.

 

[Snow Queen]

I loved Finn. Thought he was a great character and enjoyed his range of emotions. It was like he had little impulse control once he stopped being a Stormtrooper. Was a bit disappointed he wasn't force sensitive though.

I did feel a bit mis-sold on that given some of the marketing and his wielding of a lightsabre. I have to admit though that I didn't follow every trailer or bit of news prior to release. Plus I'm of the opinion that non-Jedi/Sith generally shouldn't be able to wield lightsabres effectively.



I think there is dialogue from Finn that implies that was his first mission. Can't recall who he says it to, but he describes feeling what they were doing was wrong and wanting nothing to do with the First Order.

While that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, canon says otherwise on multiple occasions.

 

[NJCaliboi]

which was the problem, Finn was raised as a storm trooper yet he displays non of the qualities you would expect from someone indoctrinated buy a Nazi like organization since he was a baby. While I loved the character, he didn't seem like a trained soldier to me.

...a trained soldier who said he worked in sanitation. I'm sure his training is more than efficient for that environment.

What makes the character so interesting is part of what you say. He is so different than what you would expect. I hope his past is fully explored.

 

[The Infernal]

I just tend to go by the movies. I enjoy the cartoons, some comics etc, but I don't treat them as equal when it comes to canon.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Finn works really well as the everyman audience surrogate. Giving him force abilities might detract from that.

Though I actually have a crazy inclination that Poe could have force sensitivity because of his ridiculously good piloting skills and the fact that he grew up with a force-sensitivity tree in his home (from Shattered Empire). That probably won't be the case though.

Again, just because someone is ridiculously good at something doesn't mean they are force sensitive. People in the SW universe can be highly skilled on their own. I think you're taking away a lot from the uniqueness and individuality of the universe if it always points to the force when it comes to these certain aspects. Out of the three, Poe is the least likely to be force sensitive.

 

[jokesonm3]

 

[Pecola1]

I think there's still some questions that need to be answered about Fin. For instance: Will Fin become a Jedi? (With more specific questions that follow...)

Spoiler

Why did Fin leave the First Order? (e.g. Why is it that all other storm-troopers seem brainwashed into following TFO, but Fin somehow isn't affected in this way? What makes him different? Why is he the only one ever seen? (Unless you count Luke & Han sporting Storm-trooper armor...)

Another note, why is he the only non Jedi seen wielding an actual light-saber? (Unless you count that storm-trooper with a taser sword... General Grievous, or Han Solo using it, but not fighting with it) However, he doesn't have the weird visions, or the calling from the light-saber as Rei did. (Could be that Rei is called specifically as Luke's daughter or something, or even that those visions are memories of her past, if she was trained by Luke and then brain wiped)

I personally think it is very easy to say that Fin will become a Jedi, and that the force is calling him. I don't think it's a sure thing, or even that supported by evidence, but I still think it seems most likely for the story.

 

[spider-neil]

I really hope Finn is given more dramatic moments in the sequel. Boyega has a lot of range (watch Attack the Block) and is so much more better utilised with drama than comic relief.

 

[Hotwire]

Finn is going to be our Han Solo 2.0. My only question is...

Where was his accent?

 

[FlareKnight]

It's more an interesting mystery where they will take Finn's character next. Seems unlike some of the others in the main cast it's a bit more free in terms of possible directions. They could reveal at some point that he is actually force sensitive. They could just make him the gunner of the group.

Can't exactly make him the Han Solo since he doesn't seem to have mechanical skills or piloting skills. In that sense his skillset is kind of limited. He was key in this one because he happened to have important information on that base to help with. But going forward he probably won't be that handy in that sense.

Will be an interesting struggle to see where they go with him.

 

[spider-neil]

It's more an interesting mystery where they will take Finn's character next. Seems unlike some of the others in the main cast it's a bit more free in terms of possible directions. They could reveal at some point that he is actually force sensitive. They could just make him the gunner of the group.

Can't exactly make him the Han Solo since he doesn't seem to have mechanical skills or piloting skills. In that sense his skillset is kind of limited. He was key in this one because he happened to have important information on that base to help with. But going forward he probably won't be that handy in that sense.

Will be an interesting struggle to see where they go with him.

I want Finn to be given a mission that takes an entire movie to complete so we can see him given a character arc

 

[hellified]

just waiting for Finn and Rey to have that Han and Leia moment.."I love you"..I know"

how much you wanna bet they reverse and have her say I know

 

[I Am The Knight]

I would hope we don't get too many more callbacks to the OT. Especially since the I Know reversal was already done in ROTJ.

 

[FlareKnight]

I would hope we don't get too many more callbacks to the OT. Especially since the I Know reversal was already done in ROTJ.

Agreed. Be nice if this trilogy tried to create some of it's own big and memorable moments. I know there's a fear people won't get behind it if it isn't extremely similar to the original trilogy, but let's limit those kinds of callbacks.

 

[magneto23]

I personally think it is very easy to say that Fin will become a Jedi, and that the force is calling him. I don't think it's a sure thing, or even that supported by evidence, but I still think it seems most likely for the story.

How? If it was "most likely" for the story, Finn would have gone with Rey to meet Luke. If becoming a Jedi was likely for his character then he never would have been sliced down by Kylo and left in a coma. At this point, based on the evidence, it is unlikely.

 

[Voltron]

just waiting for Finn and Rey to have that Han and Leia moment.."I love you"..I know"

how much you wanna bet they reverse and have her say I know

They're hinting at Finn/Rey. But what if it ends up being Rey/Poe or Finn/Poe.