Action-Adventure John Wick: Chapter 4

[Hunter Rider]

Oliver Stone Calls John Wick 4 Disgusting, Likens it to Video Games

 

[Drizzle]

Oliver Stone Calls John Wick 4 Disgusting, Likens it to Video Games

 

[squeekness]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oliver Stone Calls John Wick 4 Disgusting, Likens it to Video Games

I'm sorry no one wants to watch your conspiracy theory documentaries anymore, Oliver.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm sorry no one wants to watch your conspiracy theory documentaries anymore, Oliver.

When was the last time he made a truly good movie anyway, like 30 years ago? I'm tired of these veteran directors throwing shade at what's popular in film today when they're pretty far removed from their glory days themselves.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When was the last time he made a truly good movie anyway, like 30 years ago? I'm tired of these veteran directors throwing shade at what's popular in film today when they're pretty far removed from their glory days themselves.

JFK was 1991. If you like Nixon, it was 1995.

 

[squeekness]

JFK was 1991. If you like Nixon, it was 1995.

He did a decent documentary series on US history for Showtime a few years back that I really liked. Does that count?

 

[Hunter Rider]

I was never a massive fan of Oliver Stone's movies, he's had a couple of good ones but the sour grapes from directors who can barely get a project greenlit these days just comes off as pathetic, they always think that if a movie isn't 3 hours of gritty miserablism then it's worthless.

Personally I thought a couple of sequences in this movie went on too long, same issue I have with sequences in the Raid movies, but to call it disgusting and unrealistic when it's never claimed to be aiming for realism reeks of bitterness and attention seeking as this is the first time in years I've seen Oliver Stone in an article headline.

 

[Luigi]

 

[Drizzle]

JFK was 1991. If you like Nixon, it was 1995.

Never saw Nixon but JFK was good. The last two movies of his I saw were World Trade Center, which although not bad even I knew seeing it as a teenager at the time that it was a shameless capitalization on a very recent tragedy, and W., which was entertaining for the novelty of seeing actors cosplaying as the Bush administration but not a very good movie otherwise.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Oliver Stone Calls John Wick 4 Disgusting, Likens it to Video Games

I read the artical and what Stone said. Nothing to shrug about, he just said it was unrealistic like a video game, which is was.
These kind of movies are not his cup of tea, nothing to build a drama over that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I read the artical and what Stone said. Nothing to shrug about, he just said it was unrealistic like a video game, which is was.
These kind of movies are not his cup of tea, nothing to build a drama over that.

The shrug emoji was my response as in I don't give a **** what he thinks, and he didn't just say it was unrealistic, he said it was disgusting, which is an insult no matter how you try to slice it.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The shrug emoji was my response as in I don't give a **** what he thinks, and he didn't just say it was unrealistic, he said it was disgusting, which is an insult no matter how you try to slice it.

I understand that as "too much", "over stuffed".
Then again, I'm not English or American and can miss some semantic subtlety. In French it could translate as gross.
Anyways, it is no big deal IMO.

Edit : I agree with you about no giving a poop about what he said.

 

[The Shape]

I mean, Oliver Stone is not completely wrong and these movies HAVE become like videogames in a way. It's a reasonable assessment of JW4, in my opinion. I can admit this and still very much enjoy these films for the most part.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I mean, Oliver Stone is not completely wrong and these movies HAVE become live videogames in a way. It's a reasonable assessment of JW4, in my opinion. I can admit this and still very much enjoy these films for the most part.

No, they're movies. Before there was an invincible Leon Kennedy, there was the invincible John Rambo.

The use of videogame in this context is derogatory and lacking in understand of both film and videogames. Because Stone is an old man yelling at clouds because no one gives a **** about his work.

Also what are the chances Oliver Stone has a deep understanding of what encompasses a videogames these days? You think he's platinumed Ragnarok and Hollow Knight?

 

[The Shape]

No, they're movies. Before there was an invincible Leon Kennedy, there was the invincible John Rambo.

The use of videogame in this context is derogatory and lacking in understand of both film and videogames. Because Stone is an old man yelling at clouds because no one gives a **** about his work.

Also what are the chances Oliver Stone has a deep understanding of what encompasses a videogames these days? You think he's platinumed Ragnarok and Hollow Knight?

I meant to say they've become *like* video games in a way. Of course it's a movie, and movies predate video games. Whether or not Oliver Stone understands videogames, I can understand the comparison and I have played many video games. Stone's understanding of video games is likely something along the lines of "non-stop shooting and fighting" and "mindless action".

JW does kill hundreds of nameless goons in increasingly over-the-top ways leading to several "boss fights" and "levels". Even more so than Rambo, JW is nearly invincible and has survived some crazy situations only to get up and move on to the next fight. He wears a "suit of armor" and can be shot countless times without getting hurt, and the film is nearly non-stop extended action sequences. This is why I personally don't think it's unreasonable to say that a film like this is reminiscent of a video game in some ways.

However, when it comes to Oliver Stone, it appears his main gripe is that films like this are not at all realistic and instead fantastical -- something we can all likely agree on -- and he personally is bored by these types of films. Maybe he shouldn't have brought "video games" into the mix, but who cares. As you said, it's just an old man's opinion. Not sure why this is so offensive to you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I meant to say they've become *like* video games in a way. Of course it's a movie, and movies predate video games. Whether or not Oliver Stone understands videogames, I can understand the comparison and I have played many video games. Stone's understanding of video games is likely something along the lines of "non-stop shooting and fighting".

JW does kill hundreds of faceless goons in increasingly over-the-top ways leading to several "boss fights" and "levels". Even more so than Rambo, JW is nearly invincible and has survived some crazy situations only to get up and move on to the next fight. He wears a "suit of armor" and can be shot countless times without getting hurt, and the film is nearly non-stop extended action sequences. This is why I personally don't think it's unreasonable to say that a film like this is reminiscent of a video game in some ways.

However, when it comes to Oliver Stone, it appears his main gripe is that films like this are not at all realistic and instead fantastical -- something we can all likely agree on -- and he personally is bored by these types of films. Maybe he shouldn't have brought "video games" into the mix, but who cares. As you said, it's just an old man's opinion. Not sure why this is so offensive to you.

John Rambo "won" the Vietnam war in a movie.

As to boss levels, you mean like Game of Death?

John Wick Chapter 4 isn't "non-stop action". It has extended scenes of action, that's true. But it's not close to "nearly non-stop". The short action scene where he rides down a few dudes on a horse comes 25 minutes before the battle at the Osaka Continental. More then half the film's runtime is dedicated to non-action sequences (though I would point out the beauty of Wick's action, is that it actually is part of the storytelling).

It's an exaggeration that also ignores that all the elements that make up John Wick have been a part of storytelling, long before videogames were even a thing. Including movies. You did this, while branding videogames a very specific thing. What you described wouldn't apply to a game like What Remains of Edith Finch or Disco Elysium. Moreover something like a character having a "suit of armor" was a thing long before videogames.

As to who cares? I do. It's downplaying the beauty of storytelling in both John Wick and videogames. I's a lazy comparison and I'm calling it such. That's like 90% of this place. What's odd about it?

 

[Gothamsknight]

 

[Iceman]

He knows we’re buying it.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I hope Chad doesn't move ahead with it unless he has a "why".

 

[DarkKnight88]

Keeping his options open, but probably waiting to see if Rainbow Six spawns a franchise first.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Had to edit the original post. Completely missed that there was an F bomb in there.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I’m curious to see how the Ballerina will tie in with chapter 3 & 4.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Felt the length of this upon re-watch. I do think some parts could have been cut down and we could have easily lost at least 10 mins from the movie. Like the dessert sequence. JW could have just killed the elder and a quick line could have been given about JW killing his way there.

Still a great movie, I just hope the length doesn't become an issue with rewatches like it was my 2nd time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh look, the ending is "ambiguous", and they shot one where John was clearly alive? I'm shocked I tell, you shocked.

This is from Indiewire, can't post the link, bad words:

“We had a different ending,” Stahelski said. “[The theatrical ending] was the ending Keanu and I wanted, but we shot a different ending. We shot an ending where you actually saw John Wick at the end of the movie. So it was very clear that he was still alive. The audiences we tested with absolutely preferred the ambiguous ending.”

I look forward to seeing the Baba Yaga again.