Justice League Justice League Spoilers Thread - Part 3

[Arachnerd]

I want someone to photoshop Cavill as the Joker right there.

That pic is just asking for it, don't let me down internet.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I cannot believe Luthor was in this. And Slade. That blew my mind, I was assuming that was all tied to Affleck's movie and jettisoned.

Considering the box office unfortunately looks like JL is a flop in the making, I'm going to be really bummed if we don't get a JL2 vs the Legion of Doom. That's a great concept for a hero film, tho you'd obviously need a talented director/writer to pull off that many characters.

 

[Cats]

Considering the box office unfortunately looks like JL is a flop in the making

I don't think it'll be a box office flop. I'd expected low opening day intakes because BvS and SS were not particularly the GA's cup of tea, and likely some parents were apprehensive about bringing their kids to see a DCEU film post that freaky horror scene in the morgue that likely gave a ton of kids nightmares. But this film is likely to have much better legs than its predecessors, once word of mouth gets out that JL is more suited for kids and has a ton of cool action sequences for adults. I don't expect the drop off rate to be as severe, and currently apprehensive people are going to have their fears abated after realising there's been a course correction.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

That's good to hear, Cats. I'm not an expert on box office, that's for sure, but I've been avoiding everything about JL for the past week or so, and just now am reading the reviews and saw a story about it only making 90 million or so, which apparently is not so hot. Maybe it'll have decent legs, it wont surprise me, esp after SS, and I think this is a much better film than SS (what isn't!)

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Speaking of Suicide Squad, you wanna get nuts, come on, lets get nuts: I would have loved Leto and Margot Robbie standing over Luthor's shoulders, or walking out to join him. Could have tied into the end of SS, and to see Lex and the Joker together would have added to my shock and hype

 

[Cats]

saw a story about it only making 90 million or so, which apparently is not so hot.

Opening weekend is already set to rake in 110mil, so that story is a dud.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Opening weekend is already set to rake in 110mil, so that story is a dud.

So Deadline is wrong?

 

[Cats]

So Deadline is wrong?

We'll see. The weekend ain't over yet.

http://deadline.com/2017/11/justice-league-box-office-weekend-winner-wonder-the-star-1202210465/

 

[Spoonman]

Spoonman's post just makes me feel a full Synder extended cut would've been better.

i feel WB/Whedon watered this down a bit too much for my personal tastes.

maybe the GA likes it more now though?

the movie and superman's return felt less epic than it could've been.

After the detailed Snyder Vs. Whedon breakdown, I gotta say I disagree with the bolded, I know I may be in the minority given the quantity of "**** Whedon!" I have encounter in the boards, aswell as the big qty of people upset that Snyder's "vision"was botched and not allowed to continue.

Reading the breakdown, most of Whedon's contributions improved the film IMO, namely the character dialog and interactions (maybe except some quips here and there and the bit were Flash lands over WW, yet I don't seem to mind that as much as others).

Sorry to Snyder diehards, but again, from what I am reading, Snyder mainly excels on painting cool pictures on screen and action scenes, character development and interplay is not his Strength; so by removing Whedon's punch ups I am afraid we were stuck with yet another incoherent slog of a movie like BvS was at times, maybe a tad lighter. I prefer the heroes be depicted right on the big screen and IMO Whedon did the best he could with the time constrains he had.

EDIT:

I gotta say I was also surprised to learn that Batman opening scene was Whedon, could've swear it was Snyder!

 

[The Shape]

From a user on Reset Era forums, not really sure on the validity of this, but I still found it an interesting read.

Snyder Cut Vs. Whedon Cut.

Spoiler

-superman in the cell phone footage is Whedon

- intro with Batman was Whedon, same with Batman in the plane talking to Alfred

- World without Hope montage was Snyder. The Lois bit with the empty bed next to her is actually from a later point in the movie repurposed for this

- Snyder original cut had the World without Hope montage go straight into Batman meeting with Aquaman in the village which went on longer as well. Same with their conversation after as Aquaman swims off

- Deleted Snyder scene with Martha and Lois talking in the apartment.

- Wonder Woman sequence in London is mostly all Snyder but trimmed down as the original had her taking out all the bad guys and additional slow-mo. Snyder loves his close up to convey information as there's a close up of the lead bad guy changing the gun from single to automatic mode after Wonder Woman stops the first bullet. Reshoots did add dialogue between Wonder Woman and lead bad guy before she stops all the bullets. This reshoot had everything finished to get it ready for the movie so I suspect this will be in extended version

- this cuts into the Amazonian which is Snyder and mostly not changed. A scene they removed was an Amazon being turned into a demon during Steppenwolf initial encounter. She kills herself before the transformation finishes. This shot was finished so maybe extended version

- anything with the russian family is Whedon

- Cyborgs dad talking to the janitor at Star Labs was Whedon

- Cyborg intro with his dad is a longer scene as well and Snyder . The scene starts with him looking at the people walking around the streets enjoying their lives as he looks on with envy.

- Wonder Woman meeting up with Batman while he repairs the jet was Snyder, them discussing the nature of the motherboxes on the Lake was Whedon.

- Thousand year battle is mostly the same in Snyder version, there was a back and forth between adding more focus on the Green Lantern or not. Darkseid actually showed up here as a visual stand in for Steppenwolf as one point the model wasn't quite ready yet.

- Flash scene filling out the forms and visiting his dad is Snyder

- Batman meeting Flash was Snyder. Whedon added 'people are slow, I'll try to keep up' bit

- Aquaman saving the man out in the sea was originally the end montage footage repurposed to here and it was Snyder. I believe the bits of him dumping the guy at the bar is Snyder as well

- Aquaman coming back as Steppenwolf tries and succeed in taking the motherbox is Snyder still. The only real change up is when Aquaman and Mera have a discussion which again went on longer and was a mix of both Snyder, Whedon and Wan as Aquaman was filming at the time

The discussion between Mera and Aquaman was deleted at some point and I believe someone fought hard for this to come back in the edit which I'm glad they kept in.

- janitor being taken by the demon is Snyder

- Woman on tv about her missing husband, Lois/Martha at the daily planet is Whedon

- Cyborg calling out to meet Wonder Woman and their meeting on the streets is mostly Snyder. There may be some minor bits with Cyborg as a reshoot but unsure. Alfred line about date night may have been ADR later

- Cyborg dad being kidnapped by demon to Gordon in the station to the gang meeting up on the roof and then heading to the sewers is Snyder but trimmed by a few seconds.

- Wonder Woman talking about 'doing this together as a team' and Cyborg 'didn't think you were real' were cut

- Flash panicking and Batman encouraging him to save one person is Whedon

- Cyborg saving his dad is mostly the same so Snyder.

- Wonder Woman openly taunts Steppenwolf was cut before shoving him through the wall. The fight is Snyder with added Whedon dialogue as Wonder Woman looks pissed Steppenwolf mentioned his axe having amazon blood on it.

- Flash interrupts Batman as he fights the demons, this is where the dodge sequence occurred and later cut. There was an attempt to keep it in for many versions with even a reshoot element of Flash saying 'I thought we were suppose to do this together!' Flash pushing the demon through the wall was later repurposed as Cyborg doing it. Most likely will not be extended version

- I believe Batman yells at Flash to ensure the Star Labs people are out with Cyborgs help as a demon starts to overpower Batman

- Scene with Cyborg getting people out as Flash looks on is cut

- the Flash getting people out one at a time is Whedon as is Cyborg dad explaining to him that they're after the box as Cyborg shoots a demon (repurposed from earlier)

- Batman fighting the demon on the higher level is Snyder with the WW fight still the same.

- Steppenwolf throws WW to the wall and then charges his axe at her which she dodges, this attack causes a chain reaction in which the building starts to crumble on the outside and there's now falling debris which leds towards a cut of the Star Labs people outside with the Flash. He see the debris falling so he uses his speed to punch the debris out of the way from the people but somehow misses the last big piece in which Cyborg shoots it out of the way. This was cut and in the original trailer:

https://youtu.be/3cxixDgHUYw?t=47

This sequence had mostly finished VFX but I doubt you will see this in extended

- Batman saying 'my turn' is Snyder and is cut replaced with 'I didn't bring a sword' and 'he's tall' is Whedon.

- Cyborg asking Flash to go check on the others is cut. VFX was finished as well

- Flash helping WW with her sword is Snyder. Face plant joke after is Whedon

- Whedon reshoot of Flash replying with 'does he mean me?' when Steppenwolf mentions the Old Gods blood is cut

- WW doing her arm thing, Flash being taken by the demons, Cyborg taking over the vehicle and shooting at Steppenwolf and the flood is Snyder

- Reshot element from Wan of Aquaman emerging from the water to kick Steppenwolf before turning back to try to help slow down the flooding.

- 'did he just bail?' is ADR in, not part of Snyder original cut.

- Meeting up with Gordon and Cyborg coming back with the box is Snyder. Some scenes trimmed down

- Steppenwolf speech about finding the last box is mostly the same in Snyder.

- The gang going to the Batcave is Whedon, there was an extended scene with Flash and Alfred and Flash hugs Alfred some reason.

- The gang talking about the nature of the boxes and bringing back Superman is Whedon. Gal was not available during this time as she was doing press tour for Wonder Woman so her double was her stand in and even did some acting and that bit with her hitting Batman. In the wide shots if you look carefully you can still see that it's not Gal.

The footage of Gal was shot on a later date with green screen and composited in

- Batman talking to Alfred about Superman was Whedon

- Batman overlooking the ship is Snyder. Batman talking to Wonder Woman about the plan overlooking the kryptonian ship is Whedon

- the Lois shot from earlier in the opening montage movie was a part of this sequence as Alfred attempts to call her as well. Snyder

- break into the kryptonian ship was a longer, Cyborgs dad fakes a code red to get everyone out of the lab so the gang can get in without any major issues. There was some more additional dialogue with Flash and Aquaman. Snyder with a small chance that this may be in the extended

- preparing Superman body for the ship is Snyder.

- deleted scene - Cyborg having a premonition during his countdown. During the count of 'one' he starts to see things of possibly future events such as the end of the League, knightmare world and more importantly Darkseid.

- Superman resurrection and battle with the league members is mostly Snyder with bits trimmed down.

- Flash mentioning 'pet semenetary' is Whedon

- Flash actively tries to kick Superman during their fight which was cut

- Anytime Superman is talking during this is Whedon, even 'do you bleed?'

- Batman making a quip about if he's bleeding is Whedon

- Steppenwolf stealing the last box is the same in all versions

- Superman coming home to his farm with Lois is Snyder.

- Gang discussing their plan of attack now is Whedon

- Batman and Wonder Woman talking about leadership and her fixing his arm is all Whedon

- Superman talking about the ring is Snyder and cut. Superman talking to Lois in the field is Whedon. Not sure if Martha showing up to meet her son is Whedon or Snyder

- Steppenwolf preparing the unification is the same in all versions

- Cyborg finding the location is Whedon which leads to the gang getting on the ship is Snyder

- deleted scene of Superman coming back to the kryptonian ship and getting his suit back. VFX was finished so maybe extended version

- Aquaman with the lasso of Truth is all Whedon, Gal again wasn't here so body double in the wide shot with Gal elements being shot later

- Batman taking down the shield and the league helping each other out to reach Steppenwolf is Snyder. Close up of Wonder Woman smiling is a Whedon as well Batman making quips during this scene

- Deleted scenes - showing various people around the worlds reacting to the unification process as red skies and lightening start to happen (Martha/Lois, Cyborg Dad, Gordon, Aquaman village at the beginning, london and so forth)

- Trailer scene with Wonder Woman saying 'shall we?' with Aquaman and Cyborg was adjusted. 'Shall we' was cut and replaced with the new Whedon line

- Cyborg and Flash stuff here is mostly now all Whedon

- Batman telling Flash to get people to safety is Whedon

- lots of Wonder Woman and Aquaman fighting are adjusted or reordered but still Snyder

- Superman coming back is all Whedon. There was a wide shot of Superman during the 'I like truth' which was removed but the final edit of how it plays out is better in my opinion

- Superman with the slow mo punch dodge is Snyder. As before anything with Superman talking is Whedon during this finale

- Original previs was Wonder Woman cutting off Steppenwolf head but later changed. Steppenwolf demise was reworked a few times

- Steppenwolf fear demise through the boomtube is Whedon

- there was concept art showing the trinity looking through the end of the boomtube revealing Darkseid. Unsure if this element was ever filmed as the movie itself never had it in any version I saw.

- The slow mo shot of all of them with Flash fist bumping Cyborg is Snyder

- close up with the trinity is three different elements composited together as the actors were not available at the same time.

- the end montage is Snyder (yes, even that weird run Flash does) with Whedon element being Wonder Woman stopping the robbery in London

THE END

Flash doing the race with Superman = Whedon
Lex discussing forming their own league = Snyder

My main thought which was a better version:

- I believe that Snyder original version was more leading towards a UC style edit like BvS as I felt there was a lot of moments for the movie to breath but with some wtf ness in characters moments (flash basically standing around and doing nothing when he could do stuff) where as I feel Whedon had a lot more character beats and dialogue between them to punch it up.

- I'm not too sure if there will be an extended version but if there was I can easily see an additional 10-20 minutes.

This seems pretty damn accurate, and ALL of it was plainly obvious to me when watching the film.

Edit: One error in the above breakdown is that I'm 99% positive that the opening Batman scene vs. the parademon was all (or nearly all) Snyder.

 

[DarkKnight]

So...... As some of you remember, I'm here to keep my promise after seeing the film.

ViewerAnon, I apologize, I was skeptical of your spoilers you shared on Reddit and here. I was never disrespectful towards you, but I voiced my skepticism towards some of your spoilers. You were truthful and honestly, I'm happy you were because I enjoyed how it all played out.

Now with that said. I really enjoyed the film. Not a masterpiece by any means, but definitely better than BvS (which I enjoyed the UC version). Looking forward to more adventures with the DCEU.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I give Whedon a lot of credit, like I said in my half-baked review, I laughed more than I expected, and everyone in the theater was laughing, even at the quips I thought were groaners

Ultimately, it's too bad he wasn't involved from the start, as has been said by others, I think he and Snyder would play to each other's strengths, if their egos could suffer it.

Something I didn't get to mention in my non-spoiler review, I thought the Superman resurrection was really underwhelming, and *did* think, even as it was played for laughs, that Barry and Vic just digging up the grave was odd. I dunno, I guess I was expecting something more mythic and grandoise, Kal-El and Jor-El or Jonathan having some nether realm moment, not 'Dig him up, then juice him up.'

But I did get a little emotional when Superman returned, but the way he returns twice also kinda softened his heroic entrance for me. Loved seeing him go God Mode tho. I just wanted some more of it.

 

[Spoonman]

This seems pretty damn accurate, and ALL of it was plainly obvious to me when watching the film.

Edit: One error in the above breakdown is that I'm 99% positive that the opening Batman scene vs. the parademon was all (or nearly all) Snyder.

Te ResetEra user is a reliable source it seems (worked on VFX), and he/she maintains is Whedon's.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

In Grace Randolph's review she says she was at the set and while she can't discuss much because of a non-disclosure agreement. She says their is a lot of footage left out. It's the lost footage section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJqEx_t_9S8

 

[Clark Jo]

Hope Never Dies.

 

[jmc]

You might want to remove them as they are screen shots from illegal footage.

 

[Clark Jo]

You might want to remove them as they are screen shots from illegal footage.

My bad, didn't know that.

 

[Dieles]

I want this bad ass Amazon to survive
The cut to the next scene keeps it a mystery

It looks like he hit the ground instead of hitting her body... she might survived the attack

 

[markjoedelonge]

I only noticed Cavill's CGI during the opening and at one point during the cornfield scene. Didn't really notice it otherwise.

 

[markjoedelonge]

First scene with Batman was Whedon?! WHAT?!

 

[Robin91939]

This seems pretty damn accurate, and ALL of it was plainly obvious to me when watching the film.

Edit: One error in the above breakdown is that I'm 99% positive that the opening Batman scene vs. the parademon was all (or nearly all) Snyder.

I agree. And one of the things that I think was a huge loss for the film was not showing the effect of the events in Russia on the outside world. The film’s ending felt too small and contained. Having people across the world see the red clouds slowly creeping across the sky, weather changes, lightning, tremors, etc - would have made it seem like the villain’s plan was having a larger impact on the world and thus was a more present danger.

-R

 

[Reel-Man]

First scene with Batman was Whedon?! WHAT?!

I'll only believe it when i see footage of him directing said scene.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Did they create a continuity error with Cyborg and the Mother Box or did I misunderstand something?
In the movie he said that the government had the Mother Box until the night Superman died, and then it started glowing and at that point they turned it over to Cyborg's father, but obviously the footage from BVS of the Mother Box creating Cyborg was from before that night.

 

[Willi Berg]

I want this bad ass Amazon to survive
The cut to the next scene keeps it a mystery

It looks like he hit the ground instead of hitting her body... she might survived the attack

I asked about her survival too. It was a great scene. I'm glad Snyder gave her more of a role than what she got in the WW solo. I'm glad she got an action scene like that.

On Doutzen Kroes's Instagram, people have been asking her if she survives. She hasn't answered, of course.

 

[Willi Berg]

Did they create a continuity error with Cyborg and the Mother Box or did I misunderstand something?
In the movie he said that the government had the Mother Box until the night Superman died, and then it started glowing and at that point they turned it over to Cyborg's father, but obviously the footage from BVS of the Mother Box creating Cyborg was from before that night.

Someone on here said it was a continuity error and it sure sounds like it.