Kabooooom...

[BMM]

i can actually sum this all up with a simple example taken from BRYAN SINGER's address to the fans about SR at a confrence!

scene: Some fatty in a superman shirt stands up "Why did you change the custom of superman for the movie?"
Bryan: "what do you mean? what change?"
fatty: "well the "S" is smaller and..."
Bryan: "so what did it change from?" (suddenly images start popping up of a big S a small S a black and red S... and about a 1000 other outfits i never knew he wore) "I mean... how did i change it?" then he just goes on to make a point about it is SAMPLED From the comics...


sorry... this movie.. good sampling... marvel is not a CONTINUITY any more. The ultimate xmen was an attempt to fix this... but this movie starts by sampling some of JOSS WHEDONS WORK?????? Joss is an idiot! Then bobby and shadow... ULTIMATES... i mean goes on and on... so them taking liberties in a film is NO FREAKING DIFFERENT then every other writers LIBERTIES!

like why is BEAST LOOK LIKE A CAT NOW? in the comics... cause some idiot took liberties!

now you have a movie of just that.

deal. not being rude... just deal

I think I get what you're saying from your post via Singer's example, but there's a vast difference between altering an item of clothing (which Singer showed to have changed throughout various versions of the original Superman comics) to the comparisons I was making . . . which I guess with the exception of Bobby and Kitty in the ultimates series (which I really wasn't counting an alternate-timeline-run as source material), none have ever happened and completely alter the entirety of the X-Men's 40+ year history.

My point wasn't that people couldn't deal with the liberties they have taken . . . my point was that perhaps people view these liberties to having gone so far as to not represent X-Men anymore, whereas Singer demonstrated his change clearly still represented Superman (as was shown via the original comics) as he had always existed (I think in that example people were just having more of a difficult time separating the "S" from why it was made different from the ever-popular Christopher Reeve version).

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Same freaking formula on everything? Oh dear sweet jesus. You obviously don't know the man then because.....


Buffy/Angel? Firefly/Serenity? Oh yes, so the same formula there.

 

[jmao]

they dont really say that cyclops is in fact dead, they only assume
and wolverine is going to be the "poster boy" cause thats what fans want... wolverine is the main guy in xmen in general... whether it was intended or not (probably not) i mean of all the toy biz xmen toys that came out... wolverine had a figure in maybe... 80-90% of em... there are more wolverine figures than than most characters combined... personally i never liked it that way, cause it just seemed to me like marvel just kept feedign the fans waht they want... and thats the way it was... thats why character die then come back all the time... cause the fans are shocked and then petition to get em back, and marvel just does it...

 

[pt_photo_inc]

I think I get what you're saying from your post via Singer's example, but there's a vast difference between altering an item of clothing (which Singer showed to have changed throughout various versions of the original Superman comics) to the comparisons I was making . . . which I guess with the exception of Bobby and Kitty in the ultimates series (which I really don't count an alternate timeline run as source material), none have ever happened and completely alter the entirety of the X-Men's 40+ year history.

My point wasn't that people couldn't deal with the liberties that they have taken . . . my point was that perhaps people view these liberties to having gone so far as to not represent X-Men anymore, whereas Singer demonstrated his change clearly still represented Superman (as was shown via the original comics) as he had always existed.

well i see your point, but i dont agree with it. I agree to disagree, as to the statement above... lets go to school really quickly. X2.. great movie... sourced from two main stories. which ones? GOD LOVES MAN KILLS... and ULTIMATE XMEN. About every piece of dialogue (SP?) was taken from MARK MILLARS work on ULTIMATE XMEN. "Whats your name? what is your real name?" And much much more.

do you know why ULTIMATE XMEN was created? why any of the MARVEL ultimate titles were created? cause the MARVEL UNIVERSED was FUC*KED! super fuc*ked! When Quesada took over as president for Marvel comics he did something that no other had done. He started approving any story line that used the core of the characters that it was representing as long as it got the okay from editors. Basically saying "Fu*ck continuity!"

in stans day we would have xavier calling london in XMEN and in the very same month we would have banshee talking to xavier on the phone in london! there was a real timeline. Now MARVEL is just a huge mess of ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS... as you put it.

ULTIMATE was the anwser to 100 thousand letters of anger from the long time buyers. It was a "SETTING THE STORIES STRAIGHT". a Retale with out all the stupid "I AM GALACTUS! EATER OF PLANETS" or the "Everyone in XMEN Is related!" all that stupid shi*t that has been turning comics into daily soap operas ( ie buffy, and days of our lives) with joss whedon at the front line with pen held high "LET US CHARGE AND RUN MARVEL INTO DIRT!" So before you go knocking the ULTIMATE lines of comics... know that they were made to greatly fix the old shi*t. And it is great source material! and since the movies are trying to be MORE TO LIFE and less SPANDEX, then they should really be about the only source material.

and now you know.... and knowing is half the battle

 

[FieryBalrog]

Do you know why Cyclops isn't going to be the main character in the X3 version of the Phoenix arc? Because Singer ****ed him up, thats why. I like the first 2 movies a lot, but they ****ed up Cyclops, thats undeniable. At this point, regular audiences wouldnt give a crap about Cyclops and Jeans relationship as the heart of the Phoenix storyline, because Cyclops hasnt been built up enough and their relationship was poorly portrayed. Oh well. I'm not a huge Cyke fan, and its not going to ruin the enjoyment of the movie for me, but thats the reason. Its not the X3 creators fault. They were given a cypher to work with as movie Cyclops, and they're not going to make a barely developed character the center of the emotional story of X3; it wouldnt work for mainstream audiences who couldnt give a toss about the comic book source material or Cyclops's role in it. This is something thats happened because X1 and X2 screwed Cyclops, and as a result mainstream audiences just dont care about Cyclops.

Just take it as a different medium, like the Ultimate universe. That way the story can be judged on its own merits and not whether it keeps intact the same ideas of the comics.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Same freaking formula on everything? Oh dear sweet jesus. You obviously don't know the man then because.....


Buffy/Angel? Firefly/Serenity? Oh yes, so the same formula there.

OMG! you dont see it? they are the same formula! I hope you are being sarcastic. Same characters different movies! Seriously if you dont see that... then i cant have this talk any further. Cause that is obvious. He writes the same formula of characters in every show, and movie that he has put his hands to. And i was arguing this point to another WHEDON DILLUSIONAL, so I agreed to finally break down and watch serenity... even bought it. got to my house... never saw firefly at that point or anything about serenity... i just knew it was that creep who did that stupid ass buffy show! WB SOAP OPERA with super powers! Sooo i completely pissed this person off by telling them what was going to happen to every character. Everyone of them. i was like... she is going to be this bad ass who is going to jump into the ZOMBIE fight and kick ass... like buffy would... and not get killed. Any other good writter would see that as an oppurtunity to show sacrafice for a greater good... or something.. but no, get DandD never laid whedon behind the camera and his girls are "BAD ASS WHO ARE MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT STILL GIRLS AT HEART... THAT HAVE SOMETHING GREATER THEN THEM IN FRONT OF THEM"!!!!!!

so anyways i guess correctly the outcome and struggles of every character in that movie.

sorry.... if that is possible... seems there is a formula. you just havent caught on yet

 

[pt_photo_inc]

FYI, I believe Joss Whedon is taking the directing/writing job for a live action Sailor Moon movie. I think that movie will suck but I don't really think he's as bad as everyone thinks. Buffy and Angel managed to last a long time, though I was a fan of Buffy in the first 3 seasons he stilll managed to keep fans on Buffy for 7 seasons and Angel 5 seasons. Though I would never trust him with an X-Men movie(maybe a show), I think he would do the major characters justice.

no he didnt... a new director and writer took over... he only did i think the first two seasons. and now he is doing WONDER WOMAN... which is perfect for him..... hmmmm wonder why they thought of him for a powerful lead woman role movie??

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Do you know why Cyclops isn't going to be the main character in the X3 version of the Phoenix arc? Because Singer ****ed him up, thats why. I like the first 2 movies a lot, but they ****ed up Cyclops, thats undeniable. At this point, regular audiences wouldnt give a crap about Cyclops and Jeans relationship as the heart of the Phoenix storyline, because Cyclops hasnt been built up enough and their relationship was poorly portrayed. Oh well. I'm not a huge Cyke fan, and its not going to ruin the enjoyment of the movie for me, but thats the reason. Its not the X3 creators fault. They were given a cypher to work with as movie Cyclops, and they're not going to make a barely developed character the center of the emotional story of X3; it wouldnt work for mainstream audiences who couldnt give a toss about the comic book source material or Cyclops's role in it. This is something thats happened because X1 and X2 screwed Cyclops, and as a result mainstream audiences just dont care about Cyclops.

Just take it as a different medium, like the Ultimate universe. That way the story can be judged on its own merits and not whether it keeps intact the same ideas of the comics.

tis true as well... he served a great purpose in those movies... he added brillantly. but your right... audiences would be like WHERE IS LOGAN?

 

[BMM]

well i see your point, but i dont agree with it. I agree to disagree, as to the statement above... lets go to school really quickly. X2.. great movie... sourced from two main stories. which ones? GOD LOVES MAN KILLS... and ULTIMATE XMEN. About every piece of dialogue (SP?) was taken from MARK MILLARS work on ULTIMATE XMEN. "Whats your name? what is your real name?" And much much more.

do you know why ULTIMATE XMEN was created? why any of the MARVEL ultimate titles were created? cause the MARVEL UNIVERSED was FUC*KED! super fuc*ked! When Quesada took over as president for Marvel comics he did something that no other had done. He started approving any story line that used the core of the characters that it was representing as long as it got the okay from editors. Basically saying "Fu*ck continuity!"

in stans day we would have xavier calling london in XMEN and in the very same month we would have banshee talking to xavier on the phone in london! there was a real timeline. Now MARVEL is just a huge mess of ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS... as you put it.

ULTIMATE was the anwser to 100 thousand letters of anger from the long time buyers. It was a "SETTING THE STORIES STRAIGHT". a Retale with out all the stupid "I AM GALACTUS! EATER OF PLANETS" or the "Everyone in XMEN Is related!" all that stupid shi*t that has been turning comics into daily soap operas ( ie buffy, and days of our lives) with joss whedon at the front line with pen held high "LET US CHARGE AND RUN MARVEL INTO DIRT!" So before you go knocking the ULTIMATE lines of comics... know that they were made to greatly fix the old shi*t. And it is great source material! and since the movies are trying to be MORE TO LIFE and less SPANDEX, then they should really be about the only source material.

and now you know.... and knowing is half the battle

Okay. I think I get what you're saying . . . if not, I apologize. You're saying that in your eyes the Ultimates constitute original source material from which the movie can be based (which yes, I am going to have to, for the most part, agree to disagree).

That's all fine and well, but if you're argument is that you now consider the Ultimate series as part of the source material from which these movies should be based on, that may explain a Bobby and Kitty relationship, but what about everything else, which still doesn't appear to be based off of anything?

Even if X2 shares similar lines with the Ultimate series, it is still based off of something (even within your logic) that actually happened somewhere in some comic at some time . . . which still doesn't seem to be the case with X3 and people's main gripes with it (such as Cyclops' death via Jean, etc.) which are all things that are supposed to be representative of the Dark Phoenix Saga, the Cure, etc . . . which I think is why people still have problems with a lot of these things . . . because for the most part they don't happen anywhere and never have, and therefore can't be representative of something that was X-Men . . . which kind of leads to the notion that if you deviate so far from the source material (in any way--even the Ultimates in your case) then what's the point?--it kind of goes back to the idea that to some, it may feel like it is the X-Men in name only (not to the extent of Catwoman by any means, but you get the idea).

 

[Lestat74]

Seriously, Joss Whedon is a brilliant writer who has all his critical acclaim for a reason...There are reasons there have been tons of academic books talking about the deeper meaning and Meta-text of Buffy/Angel/Firefly. As much as I like BLADE, let's face it....NO ONE is gonna try to ever look for subtext there. People get their reputations for a reason, and there is a reason Joss has his.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Okay. I think I get what you're saying . . . if not, I apologize. You're saying that in your eyes the Ultimates constitute original source material from which the movie can be based (which yes, I am going to have to, for the most part, agree to disagree).

That's all fine and well, but if you're argument is that you now consider the Ultimate series as part of the source material from which these movies should be based on, that may explain a Bobby and Kitty relationship, but what about everything else, which still doesn't appear to be based off of anything?

Even if X2 shares similar lines with the Ultimate series, it is still based off of something (even within your logic) that actually happened somewhere in some comic at some time . . . which still doesn't seem to be the case with X3 and people's main gripes with it (such as Cyclops' death via Jean, etc.) which are all things that are supposed to be representative of the Dark Phoenix Saga, the Cure, etc . . . which I think is why people still have problems with a lot of these things . . . because for the most part they don't happen anywhere and never have, and therefore can't be representative of something that was X-Men . . . which kind of leads to the notion that if you deviate so far from the source material (in any way--even the Ultimates in your case) then what's the point?--it kind of goes back to the idea that to some, it may feel like it is the X-Men in name only (not to the extent of Catwoman by any means, but you get the idea).

no the point is two things:

ULTIMATE is good source material and
There is no straying... this is not a comic. this is like a comic. like if someone just submitted this whole new story line for xmen. and said this is the way i want to go.

the truth is there is no real MARVEL UNIVERSE timeline... we try to claim there is... but jean is dead, alive, dead, alive... beast right now in marvel is DEAD, A cat, A beast, and normal... Colossus is GAY, DEAD, and god knows what else.. Wolverine right now is in japan, in the triskellion, in the shield head quarters... and lets not get into X23! I am just saying... what source material are they staying true too? if marvel hasnt really ever made an effort to do so. It is a real tale with thier own add ins... which EVERY FREAKING COMIC ON THE SHELF right now, in your comic book shop is just that. A retale of some of the characters with thier own add ins.

 

[BMM]

Do you know why Cyclops isn't going to be the main character in the X3 version of the Phoenix arc? Because Singer ****ed him up, thats why. I like the first 2 movies a lot, but they ****ed up Cyclops, thats undeniable. At this point, regular audiences wouldnt give a crap about Cyclops and Jeans relationship as the heart of the Phoenix storyline, because Cyclops hasnt been built up enough and their relationship was poorly portrayed. Oh well. I'm not a huge Cyke fan, and its not going to ruin the enjoyment of the movie for me, but thats the reason. Its not the X3 creators fault. They were given a cypher to work with as movie Cyclops, and they're not going to make a barely developed character the center of the emotional story of X3; it wouldnt work for mainstream audiences who couldnt give a toss about the comic book source material or Cyclops's role in it. This is something thats happened because X1 and X2 screwed Cyclops, and as a result mainstream audiences just dont care about Cyclops.

Just take it as a different medium, like the Ultimate universe. That way the story can be judged on its own merits and not whether it keeps intact the same ideas of the comics.

After watching X-Men again, I would have to disagree with you about his representation there (I think he had a good amount of screen time and character development for a first, intro. movie). . . X2 I see your point, I was able to overlook it moreso at the end of the film, because I knew once I saw that the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga was going to be addressed, Cyclops was definitely going to be a major player in X3, etc. (I assumed so, until the big mess of creative teams changing, etc.) I always thought Singer had big plans for the Phoenix Saga given his intent upon introducing characters like the White Queen and that those plans could only include Cyclops as well. I see what you're saying--but I blame FOX for being the boneheads dumb enough not to lock everyone into contracts immediately after they saw the success of X2 . . . kind of seems like it should have been a no-brainer for them.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Seriously, Joss Whedon is a brilliant writer who has all his critical acclaim for a reason...There are reasons there have been tons of academic books talking about the deeper meaning and Meta-text of Buffy/Angel/Firefly. As much as I like BLADE, let's face it....NO ONE is gonna try to ever look for subtext there. People get their reputations for a reason, and there is a reason Joss has his.

there is also a reason millions of people walk around in star trek uniforms wetting themselves when they see a sad and sorry lenard nemoy walk to his table with a sharpie in hand in some smelly building in BEAUMONT TX! Or the fat fan freaks that cream themselves on a webcam to see george lucas.

Just cause people want to read into Joss, doesnt make him brillant. it makes him a FAN GOD... which is like winning the special olympics.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

After watching X-Men again, I would have to disagree with you about his representation there (I think he had a good amount of screen time and character development for a first, intro. movie). . . X2 I see your point, I was able to overlook it moreso at the end of the film, because I knew once I saw that the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga was going to be addressed, Cyclops was definitely going to be a major player in X3, etc. (I assumed so, until the big mess of creative teams changing, etc.) I always thought Singer had big plans for the Phoenix Saga given his intent upon introducing characters like the White Queen and that those plans could only include Cyclops as well. I see what you're saying--but I blame FOX for being the boneheads dumb enough not to lock everyone into contracts immediately after they saw the success of X2 . . . kind of seems like it should have been a no-brainer for them.

i thought they tried but most wanted to read a finished script first. then marsden committed to sr when no script was turned in.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

well guys... i will have to read all responses later.. i think i am heading out for tonight... much to work on tomorrow for my clients. Been working all night on two projects and got them done... now i have three left before i leave for new york.

much love as we say in TX!

and i will continue this debate if i find time tomorrow.
ps. joss whedon is the devil. dont believe me, just look at the DANGER character he created for the xmen comics! you want to see that in a movie???? didnt think so! why does he have to create new shi*t in his story lines? why doesnt he use the source material?

i just hate him... and i am tired.

night SHH!

 

[BMM]

no the point is two things:

ULTIMATE is good source material and
There is no straying... this is not a comic. this is like a comic. like if someone just submitted this whole new story line for xmen. and said this is the way i want to go.

the truth is there is no real MARVEL UNIVERSE timeline... we try to claim there is... but jean is dead, alive, dead, alive... beast right now in marvel is DEAD, A cat, A beast, and normal... Colossus is GAY, DEAD, and god knows what else.. Wolverine right now is in japan, in the triskellion, in the shield head quarters... and lets not get into X23! I am just saying... what source material are they staying true too? if marvel hasnt really ever made an effort to do so. It is a real tale with thier own add ins... which EVERY FREAKING COMIC ON THE SHELF right now, in your comic book shop is just that. A retale of some of the characters with thier own add ins.

I see what you're getting at now, but I think there is very much one original Marvel Universe timeline . . . at least one separate from the Ultimates alternate universe that the writers focus on (thus far, unless I've missed yet another ridiculous crossover). Yes, Jean continues to die and be reborn, and Beast has continually made many transformations . . . but that doesn't suggest its not all within one timeline . . . it just means writers are coming up with different ideas and attempting to explore different aspects of the characters and in different ways (albeit they can get a bit convoluted at times). The same would happen to the Ultimates series if it had been around as long as some of the comics since Marvel's inception. I think most fans would agree that the main Marvel titles such as Uncanny X-Men and X-Men have a main timeline, despite all the whacky stories, crossovers, etc., and this timeline is most likely the one that was started whenever the said comic book was originally invented.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

i will respond to this later.. but i am going to my comic book shop tomorrow and buying one of every x title... (if i get the time) and we will see where the "TIME LINE" is. Then i will get a few of my friends in asia... see if i cant get a scan of the version of XMEN comics they get. then we will debate this more.

 

[BMM]

i will respond to this later.. but i am going to my comic book shop tomorrow and buying one of every x title... (if i get the time) and we will see where the "TIME LINE" is. Then i will get a few of my friends in asia... see if i cant get a scan of the version of XMEN comics they get. then we will debate this more.

Haha. What the hell? Okay, I don't know if I'll be up for the challenge, but I'll be interested in what you have to present.

 

[muscaremy]

you know if wolverine wasnt my fav comic character all together theres a good chance id hate the xmen movies....with the way cyke has been handled....hes the leader....putting him in the back is like makin a movie bout the patriots run these past few yrs and havin tom brady be in it for like 10 min

 

[ObakeTora]

Larry Fishburne as Beast?????

 

[Lestat74]

I wasn't too crazy about the Danger Room arc either, but the recent Kitty/Colossus sex scene ( Who knew Kitty phased When she had an orgasm??) And Wolverine's reaction the next moring was PRICELESS...showed more humor and likabliity for these characters than poor Chris Claremont has been able to get for like the past 7 years. And yes...Joss Whedon is a "Fan God" as you call it, but when I talk about his critical acclaim, I'm talking about from Academic and more mainstream circles, not just the geek internet crowds like us I'm talking about books like this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...103-6939670-1847055?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...103-6939670-1847055?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...103-6939670-1847055?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

....and those are just the tip of the iceberg. Joss Whedon has more than just superficial talent. Now, I'm not saying you have to like his stuff, just show him some respect...I can't stand Bob Dylan's music, but it would be ignorant of me to say "He has no talent" or "He sucks". One does not get that kind of reverence for no reason....he's just not my cup of tea. But I can understand why he's important. That's All i'm sayin'.

 

[silver_arrow]

Sorry Worthy, I couldn't do it.

I've been beaten and battered this past year, with Singer leaving, Vaughn's disrespect of Singer's movies, the secrets revolving around Gambit's character, only to dump him from the movie, with hypocritical excuses like "we wanted to do him justice, and didn't want to ruin his intro with a cameo" dispite the fact that full on characters in this franchise like Pyro, Iceman, Beast, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus all had their intros with cameos... along with beloved characters who are being drastically changed from their comic counterparts like Trask and Callisto, to the AICN script review that had everyone worried, and I was on the front lines of optimism trying to keep everyone's spirits up.

But I've taken a beating that I don't know that I can endure anymore. Maybe it's just because the movie is SO close now (yet still feels so far away), and I'm just too excited for this, and can hardly wait any longer. But I'm succuming to the dark side

These novelizations... both saying that Cyclops dies, the heavy hints that Wolverine becomes the leader of the team, and is Jean's savior in the Phoenix Saga... I'm still anticipating this movie, I still can't wait, I still go to 7-11 everyday to get my Slurpee cups... but I can't be as optimistic as I was.

If this is how it goes down, these aren't my X-Men.

I can handle Wolverine being the main guy. He's the main guy in the comics, cartoons, video games, everything. He may not be the poster boy of the X-Men ideals, which is Cyclops, but he really is Batman to everyone else's Robin. People think X-Men, they picture Wolverine. And this isn't just from the movies. It's always been that way.

But these movies worked because despite making Wolverine a major focus, Singer and his creative team got what the X-Men stood for, got what these characters were about, and still brought that to the forefront. It was still the X-Men.

Now obviously, we haven't seen the movie, and don't know... but if Cyclops dies, and Wolverine becomes a leader... that's not the X-Men.

Everything I've seen thus far from TV spots and trailers has been amazing. Magneto is going to bring his prophesized war to the humans' doorstep. Jean Grey will rise as the Phoenix. Halle Berry will shut everyone up and Storm will become the fighter she is. Iceman will ice up. Beast and Angel will make their debuts, and Colossus will become a full fledged teammate.

Everything looks awesome, and very few movies impress me on this level from trailers alone, and every single one that did impressed me in theatres.

But no matter how good of a movie this might be otherwise, it won't be a good X-MEN movie if Cyclops dies and Wolverine becomes a leader, and is Jean's savior. It's what I've been trying to say all along when people actually defended these rumored deaths, saying "it's a war, there has to be death to show the seriousness of the issue"... no, it's not a war. It's a conflict, on a small island in a bay. Regardless of any "Last Stand" subtitle, or anything else, this is not a war movie, it's an X-Men movie, and it must be an X-Men movie first and foremost. Changes will need to be made to make a film adaptation to work... but you still must remain faithful. Killing off Cyclops is not faithful. Making Wolverine a leader is not faithful.

I really want to geek out over this movie. I want to see it 5 times straight over opening weekend. I want to go for my 5th time on my birthday, and annoy all my friends as I quote the entire movie in the theatre. I want to anticipate the release of the DVD, and the day it comes out when I will totally geek out and watch all 3 movies back-to back-to back in a single sitting.

And for so long I expected that to be the case.

But I just don't know anymore.

With these novelizations released, there doesn't seem to be much hope anymore of this movie being an X-Men movie. These movies for so long have not been just "X-Men In Name Only", but from everything I'm hearing, they very well could.

There's always possibilities. Until we see the final product, anything is possible. These novelizations surely weren't written just recently, they would have had to have been in development for quite some time. Perhaps they are based off of the early drafts of the scripts (along the lines of what AICN got ahold of last year), early drafts that have been changed since then. But... X2's novelization surely would have been in development in earlier stages as well, and surely that film also when through script changes.

Perhaps it's all a plot. X2 had Jean surviving in the end. In the movie, she dies. Maybe Fox wanted these novelizations to keep the death of Cyclops in the novels, to keep this charade up. But then again, this isn't junior high, this is a professional company, how long will they keep these mind games up, and how far will they really go just to trick us internet geeks?

The beating has taken it's toll on me. I'm still looking forward to this movie, just as much as I was before... but now there is that sense of negativity around it, that this won't be the X-Men, it won't be their last stand.

I'm an easy date. All I need is one sign... ANYTHING, to give me hope that Cyclops lives. That Wolverine doesn't become the poster boy for the X-Men ideology. That this really will be an X-MEN movie. But at this point, I don't know that I'm gonna see it until May 26th

I'm sorry for making a new thread... but I really just had to rant. I had to get that off of my chest. I hope that you all can forgive me for making a new thread on something that's being discussed in numerous places as it is.

I'm scared....

ok.

 

[Avalanche]

I'll be honest, I couldn't be bothered reading another 15 paragraph moan. We have an official complaints thread don't we? Would it be so hard to pop your opinion in there?

 

[The Batman]

i gotta agree with nell.

 

[Iceman]

i gotta agree with nell.

I've not spoken to you before but on reading some of your posts I'm not surprised.

I also agree with the sentiment of Nell's message but even if certain events do happen, the film can still be good/a turkey on other merits/cock ups.