Kanye finally snapped!

[Asgard]

Are you guys that say Kanye should just brush off constantly being called a ****** to his face by a white guy, black?

Its not like he was calling Kanye a *****, a-hole, *****ebag or words that can apply to anybody regardless of color. Those words I can see a black guy ignoring, but ******? A word at its very nature is meant to demean and dehumanize a black person? I dont necessarily agree with Kanye punching him out, but I can imagine how angry hed be being called that word by a white guy especially if hes just spewing it out there constantly to his face. I can imagine it being hard to just ignore it and walk away without at least confronting the offending *******. Not physically, but verbally.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Are you guys that say Kanye should just brush off constantly being called a ****** to his face by a white guy, black?

Its not like he was calling Kanye a *****, a-hole, *****ebag or words that can apply to anybody regardless of color. Those words I can see a black guy ignoring, but ******? A word at its very nature is meant to demean and dehumanize a black person? I dont necessarily agree with Kanye punching him out, but I can imagine how angry hed be being called that word by a white guy especially if hes just spewing it out there constantly to his face. I can imagine it being hard to just ignore it and walk away without at least confronting the offending *******. Not physically, but verbally.

I'm white and I've been discriminated against by black ppl. Does that mean I should have a separate set of standards for how I react for white ppl vs black ppl? You CANT have your cake and eat it too

 

[Marvolo]

I think the best advice to take away from this incident are that words only have power if you give them power. Ive seen black people react like an adult and turn the other cheek at being called the N-Word. Why? Because its just a word. The words power is in its ability to stir up anger and to hurt people. If you dont let it bother you it loses its power. It loses its function.

Analogy here: (For the record i know the word im gonna use isnt the same, but im not comfortable using an example involving thr N word.)

Lets say someone calls me a **** (rhymes with punt). I know im not one and that person is just being petty. Its the same if someone calls someone i love that. I dont care what people think. I know better than they do what my personal value is and what the value is of those i love and no word is going to harm me to such a degree that my only reaction is hurting someone. Its just a word. Kanye should have used his energy to reassure Kim that there was nothing wrong with her loving him and that the kid wasnt worth her time. Instead he wasted his time and energy assaulting the kid.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think the best advice to take away from this incident are that words only have power if you give them power. Ive seen black people react like an adult and turn the other cheek at being called the N-Word. Why? Because its just a word. The words power is in its ability to stir up anger and to hurt people. If you dont let it bother you it loses its power. It loses its function.

Easier said than done but i agree.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think the best advice to take away from this incident are that words only have power if you give them power. Ive seen black people react like an adult and turn the other cheek at being called the N-Word. Why? Because its just a word. The words power is in its ability to stir up anger and to hurt people. If you dont let it bother you it loses its power. It loses its function.

Analogy here: (For the record i know the word im gonna use isnt the same, but im not comfortable using an example involving thr N word.)

Lets say someone calls me a **** (rhymes with punt). I know im not one and that person is just being petty. Its the same if someone calls someone i love that. I dont care what people think. I know better than they do what my personal value is and what the value is of those i love and no word is going to harm me to such a degree that my only reaction is hurting someone. Its just a word. Kanye should have used his energy to reassure Kim that there was nothing wrong with her loving him and that the kid wasnt worth her time. Instead he wasted his time and energy assaulting the kid.

No, black people don't give the N-word power.

History does.

So you either remember your history and what the N-word implies or forget your history and what the N-word implies.

You can't do both.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I'm white and I've been discriminated against by black ppl. Does that mean I should have a separate set of standards for how I react for white ppl vs black ppl? You CANT have your cake and eat it too

You can still react the same way the same way Kanye did. No one is stopping you.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Easier said than done but i agree.

It's really not difficult to do unless you are just get really angry at random nonsense.

I tend to laugh at things like that. It usually pisses them off way more than kicking their ass.

 

[Asgard]

I'm white and I've been discriminated against by black ppl. Does that mean I should have a separate set of standards for how I react for white ppl vs black ppl? You CANT have your cake and eat it too

When you say discriminated, what do you mean?

I think the best advice to take away from this incident are that words only have power if you give them power. Ive seen black people react like an adult and turn the other cheek at being called the N-Word. Why? Because its just a word. The words power is in its ability to stir up anger and to hurt people. If you dont let it bother you it loses its power. It loses its function.

The point of the word ****** is to demean and dehumanize black people. Its used to make them feel less than. Just because youve seen some black people "turn the other cheek" does not mean that that **** didnt hurt. I dont buy that. They didnt outwardly react to the insult but I have a hard time believing that inwardly they werent feeling pretty pissed and hurt or bothered.

Analogy here: (For the record i know the word im gonna use isnt the same, but im not comfortable using an example involving thr N word.)

Lets say someone calls me a **** (rhymes with punt). I know im not one and that person is just being petty. Its the same if someone calls someone i love that. I dont care what people think. I know better than they do what my personal value is and what the value is of those i love and no word is going to harm me to such a degree that my only reaction is hurting someone. Its just a word. Kanye should have used his energy to reassure Kim that there was nothing wrong with her loving him and that the kid wasnt worth her time. Instead he wasted his time and energy assaulting the kid.

**** rhymes with punt, as offensive as it is, especially if used against a woman, does not hold the same weight as calling a black person a ******. You could easily replace **** with a-hole, *****ebag, sitch, but none of those words combined are as offensive as the n-word and could be so easily ignored by a black person, because of the history behind it.

Like I said I dont necessarily agree with Kanye punching him in the face, but if he got in his face and got agressive and made it explicitly clear that he didnt appreciate being called the n word, then more power to him.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

You can still react the same way the same way Kanye did. No one is stopping you.

Except for laws n stuff.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Except for laws n stuff.

Your logic is flawed in every post you make in this thread. You're entitled to your own opinion but at least think.

Yes, assault is against the law but that doesn't stop people from fighting does it?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

^ You're being obtuse. Law gives people strong incentive to non-violence.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

^ You're being obtuse. Law gives people strong incentive to non-violence.

and violence gives people a strong incentive to keep their disrespectful comments to themselves.

Ultimately the threat of violence and prison both use fear to keep people well behaved.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's really not difficult to do unless you are just get really angry at random nonsense.

I tend to laugh at things like that. It usually pisses them off way more than kicking their ass.

Easy for you to say.

There's no word you could be called with the kind of baggage the N-word has for the average black person.

It's like a person who never experienced winter bragging how easy it is to drive in the snow with doughnut tires.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

and violence gives people a strong incentive to keep their disrespectful comments to themselves.

Ultimately the threat of violence and prison both use fear to keep people well behaved.

I'd prefer a large group of people from various walks of life gather together and decide laws based on reason. Or else we live in an anarchist society where anyone can be a reactive, emotionally-driven vigilante.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

There's no word you could be called with the kind of baggage the N-word has for the average black person.

That's tough, but so be it. Similar to the "Honor Meter" I talked about earlier. How many passes do we give a minority race or group until past transgressions are compensated?

It's unquantifiable, so it has to be rejected. Everyone gets treated equally. LITERALLY equal.

 

[Teelie]

and violence gives people a strong incentive to keep their disrespectful comments to themselves.

Ultimately the threat of violence and prison both use fear to keep people well behaved.

Yeah... no it doesn't. If anything it only encourages retribution and further antagonism.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Yeah... no it doesn't. If anything it only encourages retribution and further antagonism.

and escalation.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'd prefer a large group of people from various walks of life gather together and decide laws based on reason. Or else we live in an anarchist society where anyone can be a reactive, emotionally-driven vigilante.

It's not an either or scenario.

1) Prison doesn't apply to ugly name calling so there needs to be a deterrent.

2) Prison and violence are lawful and unlawful deterrents that co-exist every day. Maybe if you act a fool you'll go to prison and maybe some annoyed person will topple you. Both keep people well behaved.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah... no it doesn't. If anything it only encourages retribution and further antagonism.

It doesn't even get to that point because most people don't antagonize strangers in public the way they do on the internet.

When I leave the house I'm always aware that I could be physically harmed by a stranger I offend. There's no shield of anonymity.

 

[Teelie]

And the last time I checked no one was physically assaulted by the internet either.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's tough, but so be it. Similar to the "Honor Meter" I talked about earlier. How many passes do we give a minority race or group until past transgressions are compensated?

It's unquantifiable, so it has to be rejected. Everyone gets treated equally. LITERALLY equal.

History makes this so-called equality impossible. You're proposing an equal apathy to racial slurs.

The only thing that would make it equal historically is to put whites through the same trails blacks went through.

Then you would have the same response to slurs as modern day blacks.

But it would be easier to take our word for it. From a historical and black perspective, the N-word cuts deep.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And the last time I checked no one was physically assaulted by the internet either.

That's my point.

People talk alot more trash online because they can't get away with it in person without getting yoked up.

 

[Teelie]

I don't think you're ever going to get it. Violence never solved anything before and it won't now and "taking" a word for yourself is not helping anything either. Perpetuating a stereotype is the last thing you should do if you want to move past it.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I don't think you're ever going to get it. Violence never solved anything before and it won't now and "taking" a word for yourself is not helping anything either. Perpetuating a stereotype is the last thing you should do if you want to move past it.

I think that kid will think before he says something stupid like that to a person again. So yeah, it did solve something.

 

[Teelie]

Or maybe next time he decides instead to just beat someone up with a few of his friends.