The Amazing Spider-Man Kissing upside down in the rain?

[©KAW]

I think you lot confuse 'memorable' with 'iconic' too often.

As it seems you confuse 'mediocre' with 'iconic' too often.

And Severus_Snape, dude come on, the mediocre crap happens when Sony Imageworks attempt to make Venom move, not in a still picture.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I can find a moving gif of venom if you would like kaw

Oh, show us your skills also please. Would love to see your ideas to show us fickle people what you really can do.

 

[spider-neil]

there is a difference between memorable and iconic

predator:
memorable - 'you give our position away one more time, I'll bleed you real quiet and leave ya here'

iconic - predator vision

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so when you say there aren't many iconic moments in SM1/SM2/SM3 I agree but truth to be told not many movies have iconic moments, that's what seperates a popular movie from a classic.

 

[©KAW]

I can find a moving gif of venom if you would like kaw

Oh, show us your skills also please. Would love to see your ideas to show us fickle people what you really can do.

Come on now, don't be mad. We got stuck with a lame visual effects company for one of the world's greatest iconic superheroes. It's not your fault or mine.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm actually quite fine, but thank you for worrying

 

[©KAW]

Well, you're fine as long as you continue to put ONLY still pictures up.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Like I said, I can find gifs. ;D

 

[spider-neil]

I only have a problem when poor CG takes me out of the movie. for instance the clocktower/train fight, not for one second am I taken out of the movie despite moments when spidey and ock are clearly CG. good pacing, drama can make CG work even when the CG isn't photo realistic.

 

[©KAW]

Like I said, I can find gifs. ;D

Do yourself a favor, and don't. Especially that scene where Peter is banging on the bars to keep Venom at bay. Worst CGI Ever For A Popular Villain...goes to SM3!

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Venom being popular is still, and should always be; a laughable notion. The dump I took has more layers than him

 

[spider-neil]

Do yourself a favor, and don't. Especially that scene were Peter is banging on the bars to keep Venom at bay. Worst CGI Ever for A Popular Villain!

it's going to be far harder to get spidey to look convincing than say iron man.
you've mentioned weta but not even weta have handled someone that moves like spider-man. difficult to make a man who can jump 100 feet straight in the air look ultra realistic.

 

[Sentinel X]

You're going to be forever tired of it, because it's true. Kind of like bringing up The Dark Knight as the comic book film to beat. The Matrix and Terminator 2 still to this day looks better than most sci-fi/action films made in the last decade. Certainly better than any comic book film (as a whole) That I've ever seen.

Well we'll just have agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong...they're extremely impressive given the time they were made but anyone who says that they're better than most CGI out there is borderline insane. The cgi in Spider-man blows Terminator 2 out of the water...but you know why? It was mad ten friggin years ago so that is expected. Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment


Also, The Dark Knight analogy makes no sense. Its considered the comic book film to beat because of its plot. That is completely different from sfx (given that technological capabilities have increased exponentially since 1992 and 1999)

 

[©KAW]

Venom being popular is still, and should always be; a laughable notion. The dump I took has more layers than him

Yeah, but at least his CGI could have looked good. Which has nothing to do with him as a character. We didn't even get that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

T2 still holds up sure. But it's almost freaking 20 years old. SM2's CG was way better.

JP's CG is about the only CG before 2000 that still holds up against the best CGI today.

 

[©KAW]

Well we'll just have agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong...they're extremely impressive given the time they were made but anyone who says that they're better than most CGI out there is borderline insane. The cgi in Spider-man blows Terminator 2 out of the water...but you know why? It was mad ten friggin years ago so that is expected. Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment


Also, The Dark Knight analogy makes no sense. Its considered the comic book film to beat because of its plot. That is completely different from sfx (given that technological capabilities have increased exponentially since 1992 and 1999)

Not only do I think T2 visual effects are better than SM2 (and a lot more consistent), it's also a better film, so yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Uh, I'm talking about TDK in quality, as an overall film. As it is the comic book movie to beat.

 

[©KAW]

T2 still holds up sure. But it's almost freaking 20 years old. SM2's CG was way better.

JP's CG is about the only CG before 2000 that still holds up against the best CGI today.

The train scene is the only scene that holds up, everything else is average to mediocre in SM2.

 

[spider-neil]

The train scene is the only scene that holds up, everything else is average to mediocre in SM2.

doc drowns and falls away still looks fantastic.

 

[The Joker]

Ock climbing up the building with Aunt May, his tentacles are CGI there and look totally real.

 

[spider-neil]

Ock climbing up the building with Aunt May, his tentacles are CGI there and look totally real.

bringing spidey to life must be a nightmare. I sometimes animate in my job (games artist) and I'm telling you giving a human sized body superhuman ability i.e. super speed or super strength or super agility is a nightmare because the character becomes 'spongy'.

how do you make superman pick up a car like a feather but the car look like it still has weight?

how do you make spidey jump 100 feet in the air and make it look like he still weights 185 pounds?

how do you make someone run a 100 mph with their feet making proper contact with the floor?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Do yourself a favor, and don't. Especially that scene where Peter is banging on the bars to keep Venom at bay. Worst CGI Ever For A Popular Villain...goes to SM3!

Well at least we know barakapool in XMO:W looked good.

 

[DACrowe]

How sad is it, that the only thing people came away with, in a 6 and 1/2 hour trilogy as an iconic moment, was the freakin' kissing scene.

Yeah, Spider-Man represents kissing upside down, rock on!

Yeah....girls are so icky. When are men in flamboyantly colorful tights going to get back to hitting each other in the face, hard?!?!

Seriously, it is not a bad thing to have one of the most iconic kisses in cinematic history, and certainly the most well-remembered romance in a superhero film. Studios continue to mandate them in all their tent poles, and they usually generate either forgettable subplots (Nolan's Batman movies) or groans and snickers (nearly every other superhero film made to date).

The Spidey films are also well remembered as having the most exciting fight scenes and action sequences in any superhero movie. If TDK is the standard-barer for storytelling and acting in a superhero movie, SM2 is still the standard-barer for visually exciting action. Also, people still remember "With Great Power," Peter throwing his suit in a trash can (these are non-fans), Tobey Maguire's melancholy, and Spidey's amazing swinging sequences.....On the downside most still remember with horror Peter doing a John Travolta strut down a street. So, it's give and take.

But seriously that kiss scene is so engrained in pop culture. When SNL made fun of the (awful-looking) Spidey musical a few weeks ago, the parody was wrapped around an upside down kiss with Andy Samberg telling another actor, "You can be my Mary Jane." It wasn't making fun of the Spidey movies, but using a popular element of the Spidey mythos everyone knows...one nowhere to be found in the comics.

I don't see anybody in the mainstream fondly remembering or mimicking any scene from Iron Man or any of Marvel's in-house productions as of yet.

 

[DACrowe]

there is a difference between memorable and iconic

predator:
memorable - 'you give our position away one more time, I'll bleed you real quiet and leave ya here'

iconic - predator vision

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so when you say there aren't many iconic moments in SM1/SM2/SM3 I agree but truth to be told not many movies have iconic moments, that's what seperates a popular movie from a classic.

Predator's a classic?

I would classify that as merely memorable for cheesy '80s action stuff. See, it is subjective.

So, at risk of alienating geek cred, iconic moments in '80s sci-fi:

-"Come with me if you want to live!" (plus the score in that movie and Arnie's look, as well as the metal body-thing)

-"Get Away from her, you *****!"

-"Lost in time, like tears in the rain..." (and the entire look of that movie)

I think the "With great power..." is as well remembered as those lines. And while it was always well known in comicdom, Raimi's movies popularized it with the mainstream. Plus the upside down kiss, and the Doc Ock train fight. Raimi's movies did have some contributions to pop culture. As did TDK. Most other superhero movies, not so much. Iron Man can be viewed as the return of RDJ's career, but the role he will be better remembered for from that comeback is in Tropic Thunder and "You never go full ******." Raimi's efforts really stand lengths above the rest of the genre...besides Nolan and Heath Ledger, that is. But fanboys are far too dismissive of this. And that pop culture status may cause a reboot so soon after the last series (five years to be exact) to be greeted with underwhelming skepticism at the box office, I think.

 

[Sentinel X]

Not only do I think T2 visual effects are better than SM2 (and a lot more consistent), it's also a better film, so yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Uh, I'm talking about TDK in quality, as an overall film. As it is the comic book movie to beat.

This has nothing to do with the quality of film. Obviously, T2 is a better film. I'm just having a hard time believing that you legitimately think this...

is better than any of the cg from the spider-man movies, without having nostalgia cloud your judgment.

 

[©KAW]

Believe it.

Again with the still pictures, I remember the movie well, the visual effects are better and more consistent throughout than any of the Spider-Man films. Sony Imageworks don't believe in consistency. Would you like me to put a still picture of a claymation looking Spider-Man running on the roof after Uncle Ben's killer. Or that awful scene with Spidey holding the pizza. Come on, Raimi lover, good luck with convincing anyone outside of SuperHeroHype or the Sony Boards that any Spider-Man film trumps Terminator 2 in any conceivable way.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, Spider-Man having a lame visual effect company does. A company that producing effects that don't hold up 2 or 3 years later.

 

[DACrowe]

Believe it.

Again with the still pictures, I remember the movie well, the visual effects are better and more consistent throughout than any of the Spider-Man films. Sony Imageworks don't believe in consistency. Would you like me to put a still picture of a claymation looking Spider-Man running on the roof after Uncle Ben's killer. Or that awful scene with Spidey holding the pizza. Come on, Raimi lover, good luck with convincing anyone outside of SuperHeroHype or the Sony Boards that any Spider-Man film trumps Terminator 2 in any conceivable way.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, Spider-Man having a lame visual effect company does. A company that producing effects that don't hold up 2 or 3 years later.

You obsess too much over visual effects. As I said once, I'd rather watch 1933 King Kong for the umpteenth time--stop motion, stilted dialogue and all--before I watch Avatar ever again. Or T2 for that matter.

T2 has visual effects that do stand up. They're a bit crude today, but still passable. Albeit, I think Jurassic Park had a lot more to do with breaking the door off its hinges than T2 did. It began with Young Sherlock Holmes (an utterly forgettable film), moved onto the Abyss, then T2, but the real breakthrough was Jurassic Park.

And in any case, I care about the story, not the SFX. That is why LOTR is now dated but still hugely watchable, as opposed to the Matrix films whose SFX has become dated and we realize that (at least the sequels) have terrible screenplays and a terrible lead actor.

As for T2 vs. SM2, I think both are overrated by their fans. Neither has ah uge amount of rewatch value for me. If I watch them each maybe once every 3 years (which I've learned to do with T2), it is fresh and fun in an escapist sort of way. However, if you watch them more than once in a blue moon (which I have done with each in the past) they become incredibly boring films. With that said I like Tobey Maguire's Spidey much more than Ed Furlong's John Connor. But I will concede T2 is the more influential film to cinema history. Doesn't mean I have to live though, in any case.