The Dark Knight Lachy Hulme for THE JOKER

[L0ngsh0t]

Boy it's gonna suck when the Bat-Curse strikes again. For those of you who don't know, the Bat-Curse is what I've nick named all the even numbered Bat-movies.
89 = Great (Batman #1)
Returns (While good as a Burton flick, a horrible Batman movie) = Bad (#2)
Forever = Decent = Could have been better could have been A Lot Worse (#3)
B&R = What I ment by "A Lot Worse" as seen above (4)
Begins = Excellent. (Not the same franchise, but still in terms of a Bat-movie none-the-less). (#5)
Begins Sequal = #6

As much as we thank Nolan, the man is not God. Hell, anyone on here would have thought Burton was a Bat-God after 89. I'm not dissing Returns at all, I love Returns........as a Burton movie. As Jett on BOF said, "It's a tim burton film with Batman Characters". Still, we have too much bad luck with directors getting their feet wet with Batman and then going to town with "their vision" of batman. (See: Batman & Robin.........actually, DON'T See: Batman & Robin).
I'm not saying Nolan will definatly flop the next movie, but if there's one thing we can learn from History, it's not to put all our eggs in his basket.
And even now so, look at what's happened already? They've pretty much taken Goyer out of the equation and he's the main reason the film had such strong comic books roots. Granted we got some sucky one-liners from him too, but the majority of comic book based scenes were from him, and now he's been substituted with Nolans's brother, Lord here we go.........


oh and By the way, as far as Joker goes,

Bettany = Eccleston > Hulme

actually all of those except nolans masterpiece, are terrible terrible movies, batman one has the most rediculous fighting of all time in it, a prince themed robbery, and stupid clown jokes that the joker from the comics would be offended by...

batman forever's one shinning momment was tommy lee jones portrayel of the psycho two face but they never even touched the human side of him, so even that is a bit flawed

the reason people are putting such high faith in christopher nolan is because he has delivered the one thing that no incarnation of batman in other media but the comics/graphic novels have done, and put him in tthe dark envoirment of crime ridden gotham, giving the man (bruce wayne) his flaws, his weaknesses, giving batman an origin, and actually telling a story instead of putting cash cow names infront of the screen and telling them to tell lame jokes, and all micheal keaton has to do is stick his arm out and the criminals will run into it...

nolan has earned the faith that people are showing him, and i for one say let them give it

 

[Ronny Shade]

B89: Good as a Burton flick, a horrible Batman movie.
BReturns: Good as a Burton flick, a horrible Batman movie.
BForever: Terrible, but sorta funny
B&R: Really terrible, but really funny
BBegins: Genius.
BB2: either really genius or just genius

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Yeah I guess you're right, but still Nolan seems like to smart of a man to screw this up. BUt we are going to have to wait and see!!!!

And I agree with you Night. Having watched the "special features" Batman Begins disc, my admiration for those involved with the production of Begins has grown immensely. The amount of hard work and attention to even the slightest of details, e.g, making the batmobile a truly authentic functional machine, deserves our admiration. Hats off to them.

I think back to initial reactions from fans who were then exposed to the leaked Begins script. Many of them had trouble conceiving how a story of such length and magnitude would ever successfully translate to film in roughly two hours. Nonetheless, Nolan and company delivered in spades! We got it all.
With that stated, I feel there is less pressure in developing the sequel as there is no longer a need to redefine and introduce the character's origins. Audiences know that daddy's back and this gives Nolan and company the opportunity to really just move forward and focus on what a Dark Knight in his prime can really do.

In my opinion, the only curse that might have befallen the franchise was the release of Batman and Robin, but Schumacher's awful film no longer hangs over the future of Gotham like a Damoclean Sword.
In the hands of a lesser man, the ball would likely drop, but in Nolan .. I trust.

BTW, if you close your eyes every time the Penguin appears (in Batman Returns) and pretend he isn't there, Burton's sequel is alright! I enjoyed the chemistry between Keaton and Michelle.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I like how every franchise goes wrong because of a "curse". Grow up...lol. It goes wrong because of how the movie is handled and we still have the pretty much the same team for BB2 so all is well.

 

[StorminNorman]

B89: Good as a Burton flick, a horrible Batman movie.
BReturns: Good as a Burton flick, a horrible Batman movie.
BForever: Terrible, but sorta funny
B&R: Really terrible, but really funny
BBegins: Genius.
BB2: either really genius or just genius

Reason 7821 Why RONNY SHADE is better than you......

 

[Mr. Socko]

actually all of those except nolans masterpiece, are terrible terrible movies, batman one has the most rediculous fighting of all time in it, a prince themed robbery, and stupid clown jokes that the joker from the comics would be offended by...

Batman '89 a terrible terrible movie?

batman forever's one shinning momment was tommy lee jones portrayel of the psycho two face but they never even touched the human side of him, so even that is a bit flawed

the reason people are putting such high faith in christopher nolan is because he has delivered the one thing that no incarnation of batman in other media but the comics/graphic novels have done, and put him in tthe dark envoirment of crime ridden gotham, giving the man (bruce wayne) his flaws, his weaknesses, giving batman an origin, and actually telling a story instead of putting cash cow names infront of the screen and telling them to tell lame jokes, and all micheal keaton has to do is stick his arm out and the criminals will run into it...

nolan has earned the faith that people are showing him, and i for one say let them give it

I stoped reading there.

 

[StorminNorman]

actually all of those except nolans masterpiece, are terrible terrible movies, batman one has the most rediculous fighting of all time in it, a prince themed robbery, and stupid clown jokes that the joker from the comics would be offended by...

batman forever's one shinning momment was tommy lee jones portrayel of the psycho two face but they never even touched the human side of him, so even that is a bit flawed

the reason people are putting such high faith in christopher nolan is because he has delivered the one thing that no incarnation of batman in other media but the comics/graphic novels have done, and put him in tthe dark envoirment of crime ridden gotham, giving the man (bruce wayne) his flaws, his weaknesses, giving batman an origin, and actually telling a story instead of putting cash cow names infront of the screen and telling them to tell lame jokes, and all micheal keaton has to do is stick his arm out and the criminals will run into it...

nolan has earned the faith that people are showing him, and i for one say let them give it

I keep losing respect for you my good man. For one Batman and Batman Returns (while not the most faithful Batman movies) are fantastic movies, Returns moreso than Batman 89. Plus have you read the original Batman comics? The Joker constantly had "themed" plots and many of the Jokes made by Nicholson were intellectual compared to the early comics.

Also the entire Two-Face character was bad IMO, the "psyco" party of Two-Face was little more than some sort of strange bastard child of Nicholson's Joker and Carrey's Riddler - not exactly a good combo.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Atleast Jim's Riddler was funny at some parts and The Riddler has been known to be portrayed as an over the top character at times. While Two Face has NEVER been known as a funnyman, he's always the serious character. Tom Jones are poorly mis-directed with Joel Shoemaker.

 

[StorminNorman]

Has the Riddler ever been portrayed as a flaming homosexual - outside of Forever?

JOYGASM!

 

[Mr. Socko]

Has the Riddler ever been portrayed as a flaming homosexual - outside of Forever?

JOYGASM!

Lol, so funny. That line was also very disturbing, hearing it in a Batman movie.

No, but he was quite nutty in the 60s comics and tv show wearing spandex suit. Orange hair was something added to Forever to make him seem gayer.

But hey, Joel made alot of the Batman characters gay because he's a homosexual himself.

But the point is The Riddler has been over-the-top in many Batman comics so it wasn't going to kill anyone by making The Riddler wear a spandex suit and yell out corny lines. But Two Face...thats a different story, Joel ruined him completely.

 

[The-Night]

Lol, so funny. That line was also very disturbing, hearing it in a Batman movie.

No, but he was quite nutty in the 60s comics and tv show wearing spandex suit. Orange hair was something added to Forever to make him seem gayer.

But hey, Joel made alot of the Batman characters gay because he's a homosexual himself.

But the point is The Riddler has been over-the-top in many Batman comics so it wasn't going to kill anyone by making The Riddler wear a spandex suit and yell out corny lines. But Two Face...thats a different story, Joel ruined him completely.

You know with Jonathan Nolan writing the script I bet there is a very good chance of seeing the riddler in one of the next upcoming sequels or at least an Edward Nigma , I mean yeah Joker and Two-face are going to be the main villains, but I think the Riddler can really be done realisticly and very smart!!!!

 

[Ronny Shade]

Lol, so funny. That line was also very disturbing, hearing it in a Batman movie.

No, but he was quite nutty in the 60s comics and tv show wearing spandex suit. Orange hair was something added to Forever to make him seem gayer.

But hey, Joel made alot of the Batman characters gay because he's a homosexual himself.

But the point is The Riddler has been over-the-top in many Batman comics so it wasn't going to kill anyone by making The Riddler wear a spandex suit and yell out corny lines. But Two Face...thats a different story, Joel ruined him completely.

I hardly think he made them gay BECAUSE he's also gay. That was probably a part of it, yeah, but are any of the characters in The Lost Boys flaming? How about Flatliners? Nope and Nope.

The Forever/Robin thing I believe was more a result of poor scripting and bad production than it was Schumacher'd direction. Joel's only fault was going along with the big commercial. I bet if David Cronenberg had done Batman Forever it would have ruled, however it would also have been rated R and that would never fly.

 

[The-Night]

Someone should manip this

 

[The-Night]

Very true my man. Very true. And props to you for being able to discuss this with me like a mature adult and agree to disagree, unlike some other people on here.

likewise my amigo!!!!!