Superman Returns Legendary on Board Superman Sequel

DorkyFresh said:
you're confusing because 1) you said you understood the scenes and 2) most of the people who watched it understood those scenes but yet 3) you called them confusing. :confused:
Oh, please you are just being silly now! Ofcourse I understood the scenes but I think that they (especiailly the Wolve fight) were poorly directed...and thats all I have to say about that to you.
 
I thought the plane sequence was amazing, never have I been as visually pleased as I was after that scene. I knew he was going to save the plane, but it was still great scene.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I haven't seen it yet but is Supes saving a plane anything new? I mean we have all seen that before, I've never (or atleast when it's awsomely CGi'ed) seen fish Pirates or the kracken.

You're going to get Spiderman fighting supervillains in the 3rd movie. Is that new?

You're going to get Joker vs Batman again, is that new?

FF vs Dr. Doom again....not new is it?

X-Men vs Magneto and his world domination plans....

You can turn these any which way you'd like, its how they are done. And you haven't seen the Plane Sequence which I would call Singers best live/comic action he's ever done.

It's really easy to shoot your arguments down when your propping up Singer's other work as the basis for disliking what happened in SR. I saw more than a few people say 'Holy ****' after that scene was done.

Singer needs to realize that he needs more holy **** moments.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I haven't seen it yet but is Supes saving a plane anything new? I mean we have all seen that before, I've never (or atleast when it's awsomely CGi'ed) seen fish Pirates or the kracken.
Thats what kept me away from POTC2...I loved the first one but that just looked silly to me.
 
It was pretty good,not great.IMHO,it was too long...
Venom71 said:
Thats what kept me away from POTC2...I loved the first one but that just looked silly to me.
 
Venom71 said:
Thats what kept me away from POTC2...I loved the first one but that just looked silly to me.
No offence but I don't think Disney misses your money. It damn sure didn't keep most people away and that's what WB needs...people to see their movies. If enough people don't no sequel or sequel with much lower budget.
 
GreenKToo said:
I agree on the preview thing.As for other superhero films with alot of action,another poster answered that for me.I agree also with the been there done that feel to it.The sequel needs to expand its horizion's IMHO,to draw in the people that were on the fence, like you were(i think)lets just hope that they use the comics this time,instead of Donner's vision, which was cool for a restart,but now their is NO excuse to try something new.I see that you think that spidey 1 and 2 were not really all action?

1. Alan Horn has said they should have put more action in SR and will put more in the sequel. www.bluetights.net

2.For the sequel, Singer will be able to expand and play around with what he's introduced, and "bring in more of the energy" of the contemporary comics, he promised.http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/risky_business_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003019246
 
Pickle-El said:
You're going to get Spiderman fighting supervillains in the 3rd movie. Is that new?

You're going to get Joker vs Batman again, is that new?

FF vs Dr. Doom again....not new is it?

X-Men vs Magneto and his world domination plans....

You can turn these any which way you'd like, its how they are done. And you haven't seen the Plane Sequence which I would call Singers best live/comic action he's ever done.

It's really easy to shoot your arguments down when your propping up Singer's other work as the basis for disliking what happened in SR. I saw more than a few people say 'Holy ****' after that scene was done.

Singer needs to realize that he needs more holy **** moments.
I couldn't disagree more. Why do you think that the 204million SR is stuggling to make 200mil?
 
It's ALL spin.
And let us all hold hands and prey it never comes true. With Cruise being sacked mby Paramount lets hope WB has the same policy. They're iconic property was turned into a dreary chick flick. I don't want MORE Zod! For gods sake Singer pick up a bloody Superman book. I read that he wanted to wait and see how Richard Donner handles Brainiac in the comic before he himself considers using that villain. Heres a suggestion singer.."Stop with the Donner obbsession already, and please do Logans Run or something. Anything but a superman sequel".
 
And for the record I don't think that either Pirate 1 or 2 are great but I like them quite a bit especially the first one.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
No offence but I don't think Disney misses your money. It damn sure didn't keep most people away and that's what WB needs...people to see their movies. If enough people don't no sequel or sequel with much lower budget.
:confused:
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I couldn't disagree more. Why do you think that the 204million SR is stuggling to make 200mil?


Like I said...more 'holy ****' moments.

Just because we've seen Supes save a plane before doesn't automatically negate it from being one of those moments. I can count on my 2 hands the amount of people I've heard say that plane sequence sucked ass on these boards.

The popularity of the character isn't what it once was, but it is still on par with Batman's popularity at the moment. There's something to work with there.
 
WormyT said:
It's ALL spin.
And let us all hold hands and prey it never comes true. With Cruise being sacked mby Paramount lets hope WB has the same policy. They're iconic property was turned into a dreary chick flick. I don't want MORE Zod! For gods sake Singer pick up a bloody Superman book. I read that he wanted to wait and see how Richard Donner handles Brainiac in the comic before he himself considers using that villain. Heres a suggestion singer.."Stop with the Donner obbsession already, and please do Logans Run or something. Anything but a superman sequel".
Nah....why would we do that when alot of us want it to be true.
 
Venom71 said:
It's not grammatically correct but it's hardly as confusing as your pretending.

What I'm saying is if a movie doesn't make as much as the studio was hoping, they won't greenlight a sequel or they will and it will cost less to make.
 
Pickle-El said:
Like I said...more 'holy ****' moments.

Just because we've seen Supes save a plane before doesn't automatically negate it from being one of those moments. I can count on my 2 hands the amount of people I've heard say that plane sequence sucked ass on these boards.

The popularity of the character isn't what it once was, but it is still on par with Batman's popularity at the moment. There's something to work with there.
Yes, which is why I never thought that it was going to make 400mil but surely it struggling to make 200 mil can't be atributed to the character being less popular. Also does that mean that it was a bad idea to spend over 200mil on the movie?...because thats what I'm starting to think.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
It's not grammatically correct but it's hardly as confusing as your pretending.

What I'm saying is if a movie doesn't make as much as the studio was hoping, they won't greenlight a sequel or they will and it will cost less to make.
Seems like from this article that it is a sure thing for it to get the greenlight and I wouldn't have a problem with the budget being lowered.
 
Venom71 said:
Seems like from this article that it is a sure thing for it to get the greenlight and I wouldn't have a problem with the budget being lowered.
Read my posts. I always thought that their was going to be a sequel! I don't know how many times I have to say that.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
Yes, which is why I never thought that it was going to make 400mil but surely it struggling to make 200 mil can't be atributed to the character being less popular. Also does that mean that it was a bad idea to spend over 200mil on the movie?...because thats what I'm starting to think.


I was personally hoping 300 would be hit to ensure a sequel no matter what anyone says....Anyway, we can't say whether or not it is a good idea for them to share the costs of anothe film. (Lower budget or not)

Because we don't know the numbers, and if they give us some, we yell 'SPIN'. Horn did it, and no one wants to believe him. Yet, here you have Legendary saying they'll split the costs of another film.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

The fact remains, if you've got an absolute bust on your hands with no way of recouping and making a profit......Why on Supes Home planet would you go for a sequel?

(Maybe they'll B&R it, and do it for the toys!) :eek:
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
Yes, which is why I never thought that it was going to make 400mil but surely it struggling to make 200 mil can't be atributed to the character being less popular.
you wouldn't want to release a Ren and Stimpy movie now-a-days, would you? a big reason (not the only reason) why Spider-Man hit big was because it came at a time when American NEEDED a hero...it was released the summer after 9/11.

never underestimate the importance of timing...
 
New friends help fund-loving H'w'd
Investors still on board despite summer slump

By PAMELA MCCLINTOCK

Hollywood hedged its bets this summer -- all of Hollywood.

Studios don't tout it, but almost every pic slugging it out at the box office was co-financed by the myriad of private equity funds infiltrating the movie biz. List not only includes "Superman Returns" and "Poseidon," but also "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby," "X-Men 3" and "Monster House."

At first glance, the honeymoon would seem to beover for the funds, thanks to high-profile disappointments "Poseidon," "Lady in the Water" and "The Ant Bully." And while pulling in a sizeable $375 million so far worldwide, "Superman" still fell below expectations. Virtual Studios co-financed "Poseidon"; Legendary, the rest. Both companies are based at Warner Bros.

Are investors ready to throw in the towel? No, even if the summer has left them with a mild case of the jitters.

There have been a number of quiet successes for other funds this summer (following similar hits in this past winter and spring). And last year, Legendary turned a nice profit on "Batman Begins."

"I think it's been a rough summer," one financial analyst says. "Across the board, profitability has been down. Budgets and advertising costs have skyrocketed. "But I don't think these new investors are too nervous.

U and Sony share the two Gun Hill Road funds. Gun Hill is likely to enjoy multimillion-dollar profits after funding half of Sony's sleeper summer hit "Talladega Nights" and a slew of profitable U pics over the past year, including "The Inside Man," "Nanny McPhee" and "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift."

At Par, the Melrose fund will see some sort of return on "Mission: Impossible III." Same goes for Fox's co-financing partner Dune Capital, which is financing 20%-25% of every Fox pic, including "X-Men 3."

Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Curse" may be the only big pic this summer not financed to some degree by a private equity fund. Even Sony's "The Da Vinci Code" is thought to have gotten some aid.

By far, Warners and Legendary ---- which considers itself a production company as well -- have been the most open about their partnership, and which movies Legendary is co-financing.

Why all the secrecy elsewhere?

Directors and talent have sometimes taken it personally when a studio sloughs off some of the cost, fearful that it sends a message that the project is in trouble.

But times have changed.

Almost overnight, a movie costing more than $200 million to make doesn't seem that unusual. At that pricetag, studios find themselves in a chokehold, especially when marketing costs are added in.

A studio like Warners, a devotee of tentpoles, needs co-financing partners if it is to continue on the same course. Already, Legendary and Virtual have proven their worth in blunting the losses for Warner Bros.

If Legendary is unnerved, it isn't showing. Like Warners, Legendary insists it will turn a profit on "Superman Returns," and has given all indications that it's on deck to co-finance a sequel.

Like Legendary, all the funds argue that they won't be made, or broken, by just one pic. By investing in a slate of pics over the course of several years, they're virtually guaranteed a return of 10%.

Then again, this is the movie business.

Once again, Variety is a little off with the numbers. Yesterday they said 368 Million.

Here you to to anyone that wanted to read the article.
 
DorkyFresh said:
you wouldn't want to release a Ren and Stimpy movie now-a-days, would you? a big reason (not the only reason) why Spider-Man hit big was because it came at a time when American NEEDED a hero...it was released the summer after 9/11.

never underestimate the importance of timing...
I don't buy that "Spider-Man would have bombed if not for 9/11" thing but timing is immportant.
 
DorkyFresh said:
you wouldn't want to release a Ren and Stimpy movie now-a-days, would you? a big reason (not the only reason) why Spider-Man hit big was because it came at a time when American NEEDED a hero...it was released the summer after 9/11.

never underestimate the importance of timing...

Yup...that's why Michael Jordan came back to the NBA that fall. I know its totally unrelated but you started talking about heroes need after 9/11 and that's the first thing that popped into my head. But to make it related, his numbers were disappointing just like SR's. :O
 
Very good news. I'm glad Legendary is picking up for a sequel. Brainiac, Zod and Luthor for the villains damnit!
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I don't buy that "Spider-Man would have bombed if not for 9/11" thing but timing is immportant.
i never said Spidey would've bombed. a Spider-Man movie was in works for 20 years before it was made...it was the most anticipated movie in comic book movie history, it was bound to be a blockbuster...

...but there's reason why Spidey lands on an American flagpole at the end of part 1. it's not a coincidence. 9/11 helped Spider-Man out greatly.
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I don't buy that "Spider-Man would have bombed if not for 9/11" thing but timing is immportant.

He never said it would've bombed. He basically said 9/11 tragedy contributed to Spider-man's success.
 

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