Light Tubes Is Not A Wrestling Thread! - - - Part 57

[TX85]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

 

[The Sage]

Anyone remember the awesome promo for Guerrero/Angle's match at Wrestlemania XX?

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[bullets]

It sucks since Hardy and Punk had great chemistry despite developing problems with each other. They could have been the next Bret vs Shawn-like rivalry (in more ways than one).

The midcard push was going strong but at some point WWE lost focus on that.
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Absolutely. That was one of the best feuds in recent years and could of went in several directions.
Also it's weird that WWE seemed to be getting on the right track and then suddenly went back to square one.

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

I would of stopped Owen from repeling in Kemper Arena. I would say stop Benoit but that might be too difficult and you might just be preventing the inevitable.

 

[DeLaHaystack]

It's the first time in history Hulk has sold anything.

LoL

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

Give Christain a world title run back in 2005 when he was so over.

Still pissed about that to this day, nothing else since I've been watching wrestling has bothered me as much as this did.

 

[Wheels]

Regal responds to Foley's tweet:

Mick my old friend be careful it's you he doesn't rub the wrong way.Be careful,very careful. @realMickFoley

 

[bullets]

-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

I think he would of taken the corporate champion route before the Rock like metallo was saying. It's really hard to determine but it would of been great if he had stayed and helped evelop new stars.
He could of had great fueds with Jericho , Eddie, Angle, Edge and Benoit

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would of fueded with the 'new radicals' and been around the upper midcard before retiring. I don't think he was lined up for a championship reign but would of had a decent career.

-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

He might of passed the torch to Bret. Also could of fueded with the kliq .Bret and Hogan vs Shawn and Diesel. Hogan could of worked on his movie career while making appearances at mania every year.
Also he might of tried to stay hogging the spotlight.

-What IF nWo did not happen?

WCW might not of won in the ratings and vince wouldn't of pushed the envelope so much

-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

He would have to reinvent himself one way or another.

-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

Savage would be in the HOF already. He might of come back for a dream match.

-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?

It would eventually become a barren wastleland.

-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

No blurry dvds

-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

He wouldn't of gotten booed at WM20 and we might of gotten a better match. Also he could of taken JBL's spot or feuded with Triple H before Batista broke out of Evolution

-What IF Eddie did not die?

Another title reign and subsequent great matches until retiring gracefully. Also no Vickie character as a heel

-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?

He could of helped ECW become a legitiment brand and brought legitimacy to the ECW title ( the wwe version of ecw)

 

[Kaleb]

What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

He would have stayed but would have grown increasingly frustated with the direction the company was going with their ''adult'' content, so he would have eventually left,but not before he put over Kurt Angle.

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in fueds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentry at King of the Ring 97 was great).

-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

I think the steriod scandal was the best thing that happened to the business in the long run, if it never happened Hogan would have continiously been in the main event ,fans would grow sick of it, guys like Shawn Michaels and Brett would have become increasingly frustrated at Hogan and his pals constantly hogging the spotlight and they would have probably left to go to wcw where they probably wouldnt have been put over and would be both put in the cruiserwieight division.

-What IF nWo did not happen?

both companies might have closed down.

-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

People would have got bored of him and would start booing him (ala John Cena)

-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

Vince and Savage were really close, so he might have made him bigger than Hogan.

-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?
It would have been shut down eventually, and guys like AJ Styles would have remained jobbers in wcw

-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

sad panda's

-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

I would think that he would have been used to put Benoit over.

-What IF Eddie did not die?

no Rey Mysterio defeating the odds to become champ

-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?
He would have become a road agent/trainer just like Dean Malenko and Fit Finley.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Attitude Era would have still happened, but with Hart vs. Austin in the Wrestlemania main event. DX would still have continued, but would have been a mid-card act, as Shawn would have likelier retired a lot sooner after the Montreal Survivor Series.

Well Shawn didn't actually get his back injury until the match with Taker at the Rumble, so depending on how the Survivor Series match panned out had Bret not been leaving, that casket match may never have taken place.

It's ridiculous the damage they put themselves through for a pathetically short career for such a small, albeit rabid, fanbase. Hell, I've almost walked out on matches that were nowhere near as graphic as these as I thought they went too far. Don't even get me started on New Jack.

Side note, a comic I did of New Jack.

http://nexusdx.deviantart.com/art/I-HEARD-MY-NAME-*****-244874653

I used to skip New Jack's matches on the ECW videos, he's another one that should be dead by now, a guy though that did more damage to others
than himself.

The link is broken.

You can't get better than this if you ask me. Even better than their IWA Deathmatch finale.

Just far enough, not too far, the violence of their matches had an actual function and purpose.

Zandig, Ian Rotten, ****tards that promoted and encouraged this and taking some potentially good wrestlers and reducing them to walking scar tissue.

Two guys with no talent that fed off their own sadistic tendencies and dragged others down with them, I mean some of the guys they promote are just like themselves, but they have taken some guys like Nick Mondo and JC Bailey who could have been good regular wrestlers and reduced them to a scarred mess, or in Bailey's case a coffin.

Btw do you know where I can download the Mondo documentary? I am interested in hearing his post-career thoughts.

By indie circuit you mean training and occasionally reffing local, small time gigs, then yes, yes I do. He's training under Prince Nana, so he spends a LOT of time with him and Mia, especially after ROH shows. He's become their gopher, and has become pretty close to Mia (I believe her name is Stephanie). He could be closer if he tried, dammit.

Yeah that's right, you mentioned he was getting some ref work. If she isn't dating some loon from CZW then he should definitely make a movie, she's fine!

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

Two gimmick matches in one is so stupid, it's a waste and WWE are PG now so these gimmicks are pretty worthless, I'll await judgment but from a concept standpoint it's daft.

On social media this week, Eric Bischoff blasted the UFC show that left Spike TV for FX, crowing about how Impact does a better number (which is true but kind of tacky to brag about). I really have to wonder if karma slapped down the Impact rating to under a 1.00 this week because it didn't like Bischoff shooting off his mouth. Usually, weddings draw big numbers and this week's show LOST viewers, so if it wasn't karma that slapped the Impact number down it very well may have been due to Uncle Eric pushing his son at the expense of real wrestlers. A wedding is supposed to ADD viewers not cost Impact 82,000 of them.

This just goes to show that being over in the Impact Zone means nothing.

 

[LOBO3315a]

It's the first time in history Hulk has sold anything.

No, he sells Rent-a-Center all the time, with Troy Aikman, BROTHER!

 

[Metallo]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.

-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

I think he would of taken the corporate champion route before the Rock like metallo was saying. It's really hard to determine but it would of been great if he had stayed and helped evelop new stars.
He could of had great fueds with Jericho , Eddie, Angle, Edge and Benoit

It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Brets character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.

What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

He would have stayed but would have grown increasingly frustated with the direction the company was going with their ''adult'' content, so he would have eventually left,but not before he put over Kurt Angle.

I agree with this. WWF was getting pretty raunchy in 1997 but by 1999 it was far worse than Bret would have liked. There are only a few ways I could see him fitting into the Attitude Era as a full time on air character: as the "corporate champion" like Pink Ranger said or in an authority role like Commissioner.

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in fueds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentry at King of the Ring 97 was great).

Angle vs Owen would have been amazing.

-What IF nWo did not happen?

both companies might have closed down.

Its an interesting situation since the NWO was a catalyst for BOTH companies to get more serious.

-What IF Eddie did not die?

no Rey Mysterio defeating the odds to become champ

Another good point. Rey may have still become champion but it may have only been once and he may have been treated even worse in his spot. Even though Eddie did die Rey still got booked terribly as champion.

With TNA Lockdown coming up this Sunday, TNA has posted a bunch of "Classic Lockdown" matches on their website. There's more, but here's some of my favorites from what they posted....


Mr. Anderson vs. Kurt Angle
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AJ Styles vs. Abyss
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Got to watch these later. That AJ Abyss match proved how far AJ has come as a worker and who knew Angle and Anderson had that kind of great match in them as a duo?

 

[Superark]

I'm reading these "what if" situations you guys are posting and one of the questions was what if WCW never closed.

Here's a few interesting tidbits I gathered from PWInsider.com during one of their Q&A in regards to Bischoff buying out WCW before Fusient backed out.

-Bischoff had planned to run smaller venues to cut costs
-WCW was going to often run some of their shows at a studio out on the west coast as another way to save on cost.
-Don Callis and Joey Styles were going to be brought in a the new announcers.
-Much of the ECW talent like RVD were in negotiations to join the company.

This is all I remember off the top of my head, but Mike Johnson went into further detail about many of the plans Bischoff had he was going to buyout WCW.

 

[Superark]

It's hard for me to catch as much because I work nights. I'll probably give it another go thanks to youtube. The Roode and Storm feud has a great build-up for lockdown.

I don't know if TNA is better but they do a better job in some aspects. Right now the midcard in wwe is a mess , the tag division almost non existent and the woman's division isn't what it should be. Hopefully that all changes soon.

Spike TV has several full episodes on their Impact site. That's a great way to catch up.

This just goes to show that being over in the Impact Zone means nothing.

One of the major disadvantages to running in the Impact Zone all the time is you get no true guage of how a talent or angle is getting over. If TNA can ever make it work for them financially, they need to start taking Impact on the road on a semi-regular basis.

I don't think Garrett is even over in the Impact Zone. I'm fairly certain they pipe in most of the cheers and boos. It's obvious throughtout Impact how much they pipe in noise these days.

 

[Kaleb]

Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.




It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Brets character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.




I agree with this. WWF was getting pretty raunchy in 1997 but by 1999 it was far worse than Bret would have liked. There are only a few ways I could see him fitting into the Attitude Era as a full time on air character: as the "corporate champion" like Pink Ranger said or in an authority role like Commissioner.







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Another good point. Rey may have still become champion but it may have only been once and he may have been treated even worse in his spot. Even though Eddie did die Rey still got booked terribly as champion.

I feel that someone would have died that night regardless,Russo would have just made someone else the Blue Blazer and would have done that god awful stunt instead of Owen (whoever would have been under the mask instead of Owen is another issue)

If you think about it,Benoit might not have died,since Eddie's death essentually drove him over the edge,and the wwe wouldn't have had a "dark cloud" hanging over its head for so long.

 

[Wheels]

I'm reading these "what if" situations you guys are posting and one of the questions was what if WCW never closed.

Here's a few interesting tidbits I gathered from PWInsider.com during one of their Q&A in regards to Bischoff buying out WCW before Fusient backed out.

-Bischoff had planned to run smaller venues to cut costs
-WCW was going to often run some of their shows at a studio out on the west coast as another way to save on cost.
-Don Callis and Joey Styles were going to be brought in a the new announcers.
-Much of the ECW talent like RVD were in negotiations to join the company.

This is all I remember off the top of my head, but Mike Johnson went into further detail about many of the plans Bischoff had he was going to buyout WCW.

Man, I wish this had happened. The WCW brand had a far better chance of competing with WWE than TNA does.

 

[Hunter Rider]

One of the major disadvantages to running in the Impact Zone all the time is you get no true guage of how a talent or angle is getting over. If TNA can ever make it work for them financially, they need to start taking Impact on the road on a semi-regular basis.

I don't think Garrett is even over in the Impact Zone. I'm fairly certain they pipe in most of the cheers and boos. It's obvious throughtout Impact how much they pipe in noise these days.

I wonder in TNA can get to a spot where every third Impact was on the road, of course you know Hogan and Sting are unlikely to want to work those shows, and just do the the one Impact taping that covers two weeks. In truth I think that taping hurts TNA as fans read spoilers a lot these days.

The sad thing is that Garrett may develop into a decent performer but he's so green it's ridiculous the push he's getting and he'll carry that stigma with him. I mean he's the equivelant of WWE putting the Tough Enough winner straight into a top angle in the upper card.

 

[Superark]

Man, I wish this had happened. The WCW brand had a far better chance of competing with WWE than TNA does.

Ok just listened to the audio from PWInsider.com about what Bischoff was going to do with WCW.

-Bischoff was going to completely overhaul the company and the look with new logos, etc.
-WCW was going to hold all of their Nitro's out of an arena in Las Vegas and try to make it almost like a Vegas attraction to save on costs
-Most of their shows were going to be done out of the south west.
-Bischoff was going to hire a booker named John Mewes(sp?) who was a well known booker in the hardcore wrestling community. He booked many of the independents in Michigan. Bischoff found out about him and was going to bring him in to have complete autonomous control over the crusierweight division. Mewes was going to rebook the cruisers and whatever new talent they brought in for the division.

 

[Superark]

I wonder in TNA can get to a spot where every third Impact was on the road, of course you know Hogan and Sting are unlikely to want to work those shows, and just do the the one Impact taping that covers two weeks. In truth I think that taping hurts TNA as fans read spoilers a lot these days.

The sad thing is that Garrett may develop into a decent performer but he's so green it's ridiculous the push he's getting and he'll carry that stigma with him. I mean he's the equivelant of WWE putting the Tough Enough winner straight into a top angle in the upper card.

If TNA starts taking their shows on the road I think they will do what they usually do and that is tape a couple or 3 weeks worth of tapings.

I think Hogan and Sting will work the shows in this case. Nothing would change from their schedule outside of the location.

Spoilers are a catch 22. For one thing, spoilers really only matter in the hardcore community. If the fans read something they like or hear is good, they might tune in. If they read something bad, they won't. But their is no element of surprise. I don't think spoilers matter when it comes to ratings.

At this point, Garrett will never, ever get over. He will always have the Bischoff stink on him for how TNA has handled him. It's like Metallo said, if Garrett tried to come up through the independents or ROH and used a completely different name, he might be able to make something of himself. Now, no matter how well he could develop, his career is shot due to his dad and the way he's been pushed.

 

[Superark]

Here's a commentary Lance Storm wrote over 10 years ago. It's about my favorite wrestler, and the man who made me a fan of the sport 20 years ago, Sting.

It was a good read so I thought I'd share this little archive.

Credit www.Stormwrestling.com

Lance Storm on Sting

With the pending end to the WCW Invasion of the WWF this coming Sunday at Survivor Series I can’t help but think something very important has been over looked, the retirement of Sting. Sting’s March 27th match with Ric Flair on Nitro was the last of his career. I think the reason this has been over looked is that many fans feel, or at least hope, that this is not the case. Hopes that he is in negotiations with the WWF or that he is waiting for his Turner contract to expire before joining the WWF keeps us in denial. While, I suppose, anything is possible I’m pretty sure Stings wrestling career has come to an end.

No one was a bigger fan of Sting than I was when I was a fan and after meeting him, working with him, and getting to know him, I’ve become even a bigger fan of the man behind the paint. I think a lot of fans have the wrong idea when it comes to Sting and his last few years in this business and how it pertains to his retirement, so I thought I would take this week to give you my views on Sting the wrestler and Sting the man.

I’ve heard it talked about and debated many times, “Sting has lost his heart and his love for the business.” This was such a strong rumour/topic of debate that it was actually worked into an angle, in WCW, when he was feuding with Jeff Jarrett. I know for a fact Sting was uncomfortable with this angle and after getting the chance to talk with him a few times, in private, I think I understand why. Sting never lost his heart. WCW sucked it out of him! Sting loved this business and tried real hard to keep it exciting for both him and the fans.

Sting has always been in a hot program and great angles. He did great things with Ric Flair, the Road Warriors, Rick Rude, Vader, all when they were in their prime and on top. He did the groundbreaking stuff with the Crow gimmick and the NWO. After years of being on top with great opponents, great angles and exciting matches he was then subjected to the trials and tribulations, which hampered WCW in it’s closing years; constant change of leadership and direction, lack of focus and lack of creativity. I don’t think it was Sting who brought down the product. I think the product brought down Sting.

I can’t count the times that I saw Sting at ring side trying to come up with a big move or a new twist on a big move he wanted to do to try and make an impact that night. I remember talking him out of a few because I thought they were too risky. Some times he would listen to me sometimes he wouldn’t. There was one night in Australia when he asked Nash and I if we thought he could take O’Hair and Jyndrak's double beel from the floor up into the ring. We told him he was nuts, that he was too big and asked why he would even risk trying. He answered without batting an eye, “I’m just trying to find a way to help get these kids over.”

That’s not a guy whose lost his heart, that’s a guy who loves this business and is trying to give back. Kev and I thought we had him talked into just bumping for Sean’s ridge hand, but against our better judgment he went out and took the beel anyway. He almost didn’t make it and he damn near killed himself. I can still see Kev’s face coming out of the locker room eyes wide as sauces, looking for me, as we both screamed, “What happened to the ridge hand!”

There was one other conversation I had with Sting, which I think says a lot about what kind of guy he is. It was when we were in London doing Nitro. We were both working out in the hotel gym and it was just the two of us. I don’t know if he did this with others but he sure opened up with me when it was just one on one. I hope I’m not betraying a trust by sharing part of this conversation but I think fans that lost faith in Sting deserve to hear this. We were talking about his career and his pending elbow surgery. He said that he wasn’t sure if the surgery would even help and that there was a good chance his wrestling days were numbered. He told me he had about 1 year left on his contract and how he wished there was something new and exciting he could do to go out with a bang, but that he didn’t believe the people in change had the creativeness to come up with something. We talked about how every time things would get going in WCW the people in charge would change and then so would the angles and direction of the company. It was at this point that I realized that Sting still had his heart and love for this business, but that with every change of power within WCW he found it harder and harder to show it.

Sting gave us more than 10 years of excitement. He was never a Ric Flair/Arn Anderson caliber worker, but he always busted his ass and worked hard. He also never missed a chance to credit Ric Flair for making him the star he was. Sting was and is a class act and anyone who accused him of losing his heart and only being in this business for the money, owe him an apology. I’m glad I had the chance to work with him, the one time that I did, and hope he had as much fun as I did doing it.

Best of luck in the future Steve, and on behalf of everyone you’ve entertained over the years, I thank you!

Till next week,
Lance

credit: stormwrestling.com

 

[Dr. Evil]

Garrett Bischoff is a perfect example of nepotism in pro wrestling.

 

[The Sage]

I feel that someone would have died that night regardless,Russo would have just made someone else the Blue Blazer and would have done that god awful stunt instead of Owen (whoever would have been under the mask instead of Owen is another issue)

If you think about it,Benoit might not have died,since Eddie's death essentually drove him over the edge,and the wwe wouldn't have had a "dark cloud" hanging over its head for so long.

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.

 

[bullets]

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in feuds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentary at King of the Ring 97 was great).

I loved Owen's commentary , he was hilarious.

Spike TV has several full episodes on their Impact site. That's a great way to catch up.

Thanks. I watched before the bell yesterday.

Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.

They might of tired it again with someone else but at least it would of prevented Owen's death. It was such a stupid idea. I would also bring up the guy doing the rigging didn't have the proper experience and also the clip wasn't strong enough. At least that would be easier to convince someone. I think it would of been harder to stop Benoit. He was in the early stages of dementia( I'm speculating) and could of snapped at another time as it got worse.

It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Bret's character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.

Whoops ,lol. I like his idea too. Bret would of been a perfect fit for the corporation. I still think Rock would of rose to stardom but his rivalry with Stone Cold would of been much different. Also it would of been great to see Benoit, Owen , Jericho , Bret , Angle , and Guerrero on the same roster. Ultimately I wish Owen survived (among many others) and Bret was able to return after his stint in WCW.

 

[bullets]

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.

I think Benoit's death forced them to take things more seriously. Nowinski was campaigning for changes at the time but once they related Benoit to brain trauma it wasn't too shortly after. The silver lining in the Benoit tragedy iswwe wrestlers seem to be living a healthier lifestyle.

 

[Kaleb]

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.

yeah I dont think they would have implemented the ''no chairshots'' rule if Benoit hadnt died.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think Benoit's death forced them to take things more seriously. Nowinski was campaigning for changes at the time but once they related Benoit to brain trauma it wasn't too shortly after. The silver lining in the Benoit tragedy iswwe wrestlers seem to be living a healthier lifestyle.

Also the drug scandal that came after Benoit's death resulted in the WWE now revealing all drug suspensions.