The Dark Knight Likes And Dislikes

Honestly, I'd rather see her leave Gotham at the end of the movie. It would be more powerful if one of Bruce's last remaining friends had completely gave up hope because of the crushing influence of the city. A death without death.
 
I honestly don't have any definitive likes or dislikes mainly because I've been "avoiding" pretty much everything TDK related since the second trailer. I've been just eye-balling these boards and all the pics and the screencaps.

But I have few fears or dislikes or concerns or whatever you wanna call them. My number one fear is that Batman/Bruce Wayne gets over-shadowed by The Joker and/or Harvey Dent when it comes to screentime and/or overall badassness. This has been the case with the marketing and it's somewhat understandable but I hope that it's not the case with the movie itself. Bruce Wayne is the most interesting character of the Batman universe and the Batman movies should always reflect that. Obviously this hasn't been the case before Nolan stepped in.

I'm also hoping that Batman is still depicted from the criminal point of view. That means no elaborate and "showy" fights. I'm sure Nolan has been feeling the pressure after all the bashing he got because of the fighting scenes in Begins. I hope they still present Batman as this unnatural predator who strikes hard and fast.

Some minor things that I don't like. First of all, Gyllenhaal is nowhere near as hot as Holmes. Period. Yeah she owns her acting-wise but just take a look at the character of Dawes. You don't have to be Oscar-caliber in order to pull that one off. I want Katie just because she looks so adorable.

Secondly, there's just something wrong with the new batsuit. I'm sure it gets the job done but it should look more badass. It's a step down from the Begins suit.

And thirdly, I'm not a fan of the "let's introduce a new vehicle in every sequel" concept. I'm also not a fan of the design of the batpod. But once again, it's a minor thing and won't ruin the movie for me. Hopefully it's going to add something spectacular to the action scenes.

What else...well, I like Ledger and Eckhart. I'm sure they will deliver. I like the fact that Batman takes things to the next level. He's really on the edge this time around. I'm glad that I'm going to see my favourite villain Scarecrow one more time. I'm just hoping that he gets to do something cool. I love the extensive(not confirmed, I guess) running time. Nolan takes his sweet time and that's how it should be done. I just saw Iron Man yesterday and the second hour felt rushed. I hope TDK rises above rushing.

I guess that's pretty much it. I know very little about the movie and that, my friends, is all part of the plan.
 
I don't know if you're giving children enough credit: they're fairly adept at distinguishing reality from fiction. They are underestimated far too frequently, and many seem to think they are oversensitive (for example, the "Oh no, my child saw NUDITY!" people) and will be irreparably damaged by this, that, or the other thing. Truth is, explain something to a kid plainly, and they'll get it.

Well thats only true when you're talking about children past a certain age, I'm not a child psychologist but I know that there is an age where you can not distinguish fiction from reality, no matter how it is explained to you. I mean at a young enough age children do not understand how to lie or what sarcasm is. They have completely logical thought processes even if it's bad logic. And if children can not understand sarcasm or a joke that is over their heads, they can't understand that a movie is a movie and not reality. In my estimation I would say this is before the age of seven.

And I don't think there is anything damaging about nudity, what would be damaging is sitting a 4 year old down in the dark to watch a slasher film. You can say it isn't real, but they are still going to have post traumatic stress and nightmares and other possible complications from that. No one should ever do that to a kid - letting the really little ones see very scary and graphic movies is pretty much the same as child abuse in my book.
 
I like everything I've seen thus far, that said, I can't really say anything until I actually see the movie. Passing judgment now is just premature.
 
I think the best way I can answer this is simply by advising you to read Batman: Black & White. Most of the stories in there will do. The one that comes to mind, my personal favourite, is one that simply involves Batman performing an autopsy on the corpse of a woman. As he does this, he reconstructs her rather unpleasant death. The story is strong for Batman's monologue, but part of what makes it work is it's frank depictions of violence and the reality of what Batman is dealing with: a murdered woman.

That reality won't be seen in a PG-13 film. The true face of crime in Gotham won't be seen, nor the true toll on the victims. There is a weight that will never be there, by virtue of the violence and, more importantly, the subject matter being glossed over.

This doesn't mean you need to show Joker splitting people open. You don't, and mindless gore isn't the point. The point is presenting material that you couldn't present otherwise, and presenting it in a straightforward way that hammers home the appearance of real crime and real suffering that communicates to us, the audience, what the reality of Gotham City would be. Through this, you more precisely and more convincingly define exactly what Batman is fighting: not thugs, not supervillains, but suffering in it's most concentrated form, in a city where it is more potent than anywhere else on Earth. The adversary is brought in to sharper focus, and we better understand the sheer magnitude of Batman's mission, and of what he faces.

This is not necessary or even desirable for all Batman stories. For others, though, it is, absolutely. When you can't address this material, can't even talk about it, you shelve these tools. Depending on the story, it may not matter. But they are useful tools, and they should be accessible if a filmmaker wants to put them to use. Unfortunately, this is not the case, as per Warner Bros. PG-13 mandate. If we learned, somehow, that WB had no such mandate--that Nolan would be allowed to make an R film--and the final film still ended up being PG-13, that would be fine. That would mean Nolan had access to every tool, and picked only the ones he needed for his story, not needing the R tools.

As it stands, though, Nolan only has access to two-thirds of his tools. As a result, we have no idea if there are ones he'd like to use, but isn't allowed to.

Exactly, it's about the consequences of violence more than the act itself. I'm pretty sure Nolan isn't interested in going there but it's part of what makes his take no less a fantasy to me
 
I love pretty much everything I'e seen so far, but I have some dislikes (and these are minor dislikes)....

I don't like the "body" of the new suit, it's too busy. although I do like the new cowl.

And I don't like the Joker not being more of a "Stylish" clown and instead of a "Johnny Rotten" Joker.
 
It's really hard to judge something like TDK based on the snippets of footage we've seen. I can honestly say, that I don't have anything I dislike at this point. Everything I have seen has surpassed my expectations. I really love the Joker's messy look, the whole makeup makes him more bizare in my mind, that just my humble opinion. The only thing I dislike is, that I have to wait until july 25 to see it.
 
Well ironman was PG-13 as well but you saw the living conditions of people in Afganistan, you saw how they were murdered, etc, etc. You didnt need to see that boy's dad take it to the head to get the message. So when the hospital blows up, people will die (cause joker is a man of his word). You dont need to see limbs flying around and melted bodies laying there. You got the point.

Now, if Tarantino was directing, we would get a clear slow-mo shot of the people inside the hospital slowly turning into ash, people torn into pieces, etc.
 
Like:

Everything, in varying degrees.

Dislike:

Losing Heath ... :csad:

CFE
 
Like:

Everything, in varying degrees.

Dislike:

Losing Heath ... :csad:

CFE

Honestly when I look at the Joker I don't see Heath Ledger, and that is really a credit to Heath and the way he transformed himself into the Joker, it's when I see pictures of him without a the makeup that it dawns on me that he isn't here in the flesh anymore.
 
Dislike ????


-the fact that the french release has been repushed to august 13th AGAIN !!!!!!!!:ghost::ghost::ghost::ghost::ghost:
 
Dislike ????


-the fact that the french release has been repushed to august 13th AGAIN !!!!!!!!:ghost::ghost::ghost::ghost::ghost:

Sucks man.... really does. They do that in Greece too, in fact, I commented about it 2 days ago. Thank God they decided to bring TDK on July 17th here, though. Thank God. Hang in there:yay:
 
Sucks man.... really does. They do that in Greece too, in fact, I commented about it 2 days ago. Thank God they decided to bring TDK on July 17th here, though. Thank God. Hang in there:yay:
July 17th in Greece? **** Yeah! Maybe it will be like that in my country as well! Here's to hoping!
 
I have no particular preference; I pretty much like all blends of Batman.



I don't know if you're giving children enough credit: they're fairly adept at distinguishing reality from fiction. They are underestimated far too frequently, and many seem to think they are oversensitive (for example, the "Oh no, my child saw NUDITY!" people) and will be irreparably damaged by this, that, or the other thing. Truth is, explain something to a kid plainly, and they'll get it.

i agree with both parts of this post.

and children are often underestimated. and most often by those that have none.
 
I'm also hoping that Batman is still depicted from the criminal point of view. That means no elaborate and "showy" fights. I'm sure Nolan has been feeling the pressure after all the bashing he got because of the fighting scenes in Begins. I hope they still present Batman as this unnatural predator who strikes hard and fast.

This technique is only thematically justified under certain circumstances, namely against thugs - the superstitious and cowardly lot.

But, for instance, when Batman fought Ra's, who is supposed to be his equal/superior, there's no need for that style. Ra's isn't afraid of him; he knows him as Bruce Wayne, his failed protege`. They're fighting on a level playing field where Batman lacks the psychological edge, so that "mysterious and predatory" filming style is really unnecessary.

Ditto for when Batman faces Joker, who has no fear.
 
This technique is only thematically justified under certain circumstances, namely against thugs - the superstitious and cowardly lot.

But, for instance, when Batman fought Ra's, who is supposed to be his equal/superior, there's no need for that style. Ra's isn't afraid of him; he knows him as Bruce Wayne, his failed protege`. They're fighting on a level playing field where Batman lacks the psychological edge, so that "mysterious and predatory" filming style is really unnecessary.

Ditto for when Batman faces Joker, who has no fear.

Nice. :up:
 
thank you saint!

i too agree that far too many people underestimate what a kid can handle seeing, i mean think back, how old were any of us when we saw alien, in all its chest bursting glory, or even a t-rex eating a guy off a toilet in jurrassic park. Or the thing, with its mutant dog bodies, and spider walking reanimated heads. All of those are fairly disturbing images, especially that spider head, but i saw them all at a very young age, as i know many others did, and we are not blood thirsty serial killers today, (unless you count Halo obsession). These things did not really scare me ever, just gave me a huge respect for special effects artists. Sixteen years on, despite the rediculous amounts of horror and s.f. i have watched i am still a decently normal, if insanely geeky, person
 
I doubt anybody expects The Dark Knight to be big campy blockbuster.

Even someone who only knows the name of the movie and nothing more.

And it's not going to be a 'psychological movie'. Don't expect Silence of the Lambs. Nolan has described it as a crime movie, similar to Heat, with huge action scenes. There will be humour, there will be spectacle, this is a summer blockbuster, not an introspective indie psycho-thriller.

i think it will be more similar to silence in tone than anyone expects.
 
i think it will be more similar to silence in tone than anyone expects.

I think so too.

Why can't we have a big summer movie + the addition of "silence of the lambs"-like psychological mayhem?

We have three psychos in this film. There should be a good bit of messing with the mind.

:hoboj: - Ahahahaha!
 
Likes:

-Everything concerning Heath's Joker. Can't wait to watch him in this.

-Change in locations during the film (Hong Kong, as opposed to just Gotham like in Begins)

-Gyllenhaal replacing Katie Holmes. She may actually have some emotion.

-The new suit (Me and the other like 3 people who actually don't mind it)

-(Judging from the trailers) Batman doing more flyin around, jumpin of huge buildings

Dislikes:

-Contrary to what bale and Caine said in the end of Begins, the "rennovations in the south-west corner" appear to just be a new dull parking garage with a toolbox and a monitor system occupying the space.

-No actual bats present in the film from what we've seen.

-Scarecrow. Just totally unnessecary.

-Joker having a "two-note" theme. They better be some freakin amazing notes. Should have a theme just as epic as Molossus from Begins, but more dirtier and in your face, like teh joker.

-Lack of collaboration with John Williams concerning the new score. Not to disrespect the work of Zimmer, but John Williams is the Timbaland of Classical music. Everyone likes it and its always a success. The music from Starwars is UNREAL.



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Likes:

-Everything concerning Heath's Joker. Can't wait to watch him in this.

-Change in locations during the film (Hong Kong, as opposed to just Gotham like in Begins)

-Gyllenhaal replacing Katie Holmes. She may actually have some emotion.

-The new suit (Me and the other like 3 people who actually don't mind it)

-(Judging from the trailers) Batman doing more flyin around, jumpin of huge buildings

Dislikes:

-Contrary to what bale and Caine said in the end of Begins, the "rennovations in the south-west corner" appear to just be a new dull parking garage with a toolbox and a monitor system occupying the space.

-No actual bats present in the film from what we've seen.

-Scarecrow. Just totally unnessecary.

-Joker having a "two-note" theme. They better be some freakin amazing notes. Should have a theme just as epic as Molossus from Begins, but more dirtier and in your face, like teh joker.

-Lack of collaboration with John Williams concerning the new score. Not to disrespect the work of Zimmer, but John Williams is the Timbaland of Classical music. Everyone likes it and its always a success. The music from Starwars is UNREAL.



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uh...you do know that the cave in this movie isn't even the same cave underneath wayne manor don't you? this is just a bat-cave lite under his penthouse while the manor is being rebuilt.
 
The cave/manor isn't rebuilt yet. I can almost guarantee it will be by the end of the film.

No bats in the film? We've only seen 2 trailers. And if that's all we're going by, then Scarecrow, Anthony Michael Hall's character, and dozens of other elements aren't in the film either. :o
 

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