The Dark Knight Likes And Dislikes

[batman_1982]

This is gonna be a good thread to bump up when the movie comes out. We'll be able to see how much people opinions have flipped or changed, and what else may come up.

 

[The_Joker7895]

You have a feeling it could be a flop? Really? Honestly, the worst I can go to is that TDK might be a mild sucess.
If TDK turns out to be a flop, then all hope I have and all my faith in humanity will be lost.

Lol, pretty much. But if that early review we heard about a month or two ago from BoF is legit, we are actually in store for a superior sequel.

Then again, I've had days when I've worried about whether or not TDK can possibly live up to expectations. But then I just watch the trailers and stuff like the IMAX featurette, along with the prologue, and my faith is restored. I'll definitely be excited to watch the prologue in good quality when the big gift set of BB comes out.

There is no way in hell its going to flop, no way.

Its people like Yurka who make me feel better. and I want that avvy so bad Yurka! Its friggin sweet.

 

[Matchbox]

I've gave many explamples. Eggyman, can you explain what I mean to everyone cuz obviously people dont get me

I've read through this whole thread and others like it and I don't remember you citing any specific examples to help illustrate your points. Eggyman doesn't need to explain it to me since I all ready understand. (He shouldn't be the one to do it, anyway) I'm only explaining why it may be hard for others to see where you're coming from. You really gotta break down your point of view and not expain it using general terms.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I've gave many explamples. Eggyman, can you explain what I mean to everyone cuz obviously people dont get me

It's because you chose to use the word "darker" that some people (myself included initially) failed to grasp your point of view.

This film will focus on the most psychopathic version of The Joker we've ever seen on screen in addition to Dent's tragic fall from grace, the possible death of an arguably beloved character, killing sprees, Batman coming close to breaking his oh so precious rule and more.

So obviously people are thinking WTF when you say it won't be as dark as Begins.

Now, Eggy is saying that you're concerned with TDK being a little more theatrical and less low-key. That I agree with, but it's to be expected (in my opinion) when you're facing a murderous, iconic figure like The Joker. Also, Batman isn't taking his first steps anymore. He's established himself as the great defender of Gotham and events are moving forward now.

You're thinking TDK could end up being what T2 was to the original Terminator right? Well, I don't think that's going to be the case here. If anything, TDK will surpass and only compliment Batman Begins. No Ed Furlong's are on hand to screw this up.

 

[Eggyman]

I've gave many explamples. Eggyman, can you explain what I mean to everyone cuz obviously people dont get me

Sure.


Let me start by saying that I think one of the reasons The dark Knight doesn't have to showcase the moodiness that Begins did is because it's already established; I think Begins tried harder to attain that mood to distance itself from the poomacker vomit that was released.

Anyway, basically, I think that Begins was a moody film - it was paving the way from reality towards fantasy, and although now TDK is still cursed by that awful word (realism) it will be less so than Begins in some ways. I'm going round the houses here to reach my point, but I'm only just discovering it myself as I write this.

Batman is a theatrical icon, and now we are dealing with escalation. So if we had theatricality in Begins and now it has escalated, then surely that will hold some sway on the mood of TDK. Basically, like some have already said, The Joker will have much to do with this. Begins started out with a loan man seeking justice in a fairly ordinary setting, but now the characters and the world they live in have escalated and are more theatrical. So yes, I would say TDK is going to be twice as comicbooky as BB, but that doesn't mean to say that we're gonna get campy cheese. it just means that it won't be as low key as it's predecessor.

Hope that makes sense, because I think i have just succesfully confused the **** out of myself.

Other than what I've just said, I believe that as far as trailers go, TDK just doesn't have to show as much grime to assure people believe that it's a serious film.

I'm gonna sign this one.

- egg

 

[Spider-Bat]

From what I read on the first page, there should be no concerns of this being a lighter toned film. It looks pretty dark and screwed up thanks to Mr. Joker.

There are no dis likes I have for this so far. I did months ago, I griped about Joker's look and make up but then I grew to love it especially after seeing more of Heath as Joker.

Everything looks great and I love the shots of Batman in the room with the Joker, reminds me of stuff from the books, where he's more involved, and doesn't just show for ten minutes here and there but it's mostly villians in the movie, this time it is a real Batman movie.

Sure I grew up with the old movies and loved them except for Batman and Robin, BF started getting on my nerves too, sometimes I watch it for certain things but these new movies are a big step up for Batman.

The changes in these films are no big deal to the crap they did in the previous franchise. And I'm happy that it doesn't look like Nolan will be screwing things up like Sam did with Spider-man three, I think these movies will continue to be great. I think they have learned their lesson with Batman. If they want it to continue to be successful keep it good and serious and well written.

These films have a high quality that I love. And I love what they based them on, mostly Loeb/Sale, and the best of the 70's stories and the early appearances of the Joker in the 40's which I see the influence of in the trailers. Great stuff.

 

[Yurka]

Lol, pretty much. But if that early review we heard about a month or two ago from BoF is legit, we are actually in store for a superior sequel.

Then again, I've had days when I've worried about whether or not TDK can possibly live up to expectations. But then I just watch the trailers and stuff like the IMAX featurette, along with the prologue, and my faith is restored. I'll definitely be excited to watch the prologue in good quality when the big gift set of BB comes out.




Its people like Yurka who make me feel better. and I want that avvy so bad Yurka! Its friggin sweet.

Haha thanks man, soon enough you'll be able to get one.

 

[Matchbox]

Sure.


Let me start by saying that I think one of the reasons The dark Knight doesn't have to showcase the moodiness that Begins did is because it's already established; I think Begins tried harder to attain that mood to distance itself from the poomacker vomit that was released.

Anyway, basically, I think that Begins was a moody film - it was paving the way from reality towards fantasy, and although now TDK is still cursed by that awful word (realism) it will be less so than Begins in some ways. I'm going round the houses here to reach my point, but I'm only just discovering it myself as I write this.

Batman is a theatrical icon, and now we are dealing with escalation. So if we had theatricality in Begins and now it has escalated, then surely that will hold some sway on the mood of TDK. Basically, like some have already said, The Joker will have much to do with this. Begins started out with a loan man seeking justice in a fairly ordinary setting, but now the characters and the world they live in have escalated and are more theatrical. So yes, I would say TDK is going to be twice as comicbooky as BB, but that doesn't mean to say that we're gonna get campy cheese. it just means that it won't be as low key as it's predecessor.

Hope that makes sense, because I think i have just succesfully confused the **** out of myself.

Other than what I've just said, I believe that as far as trailers go, TDK just doesn't have to show as much grime to assure people believe that it's a serious film.

I'm gonna sign this one.

- egg

That's what I was thinking as well. Now that's an explanation citing specific examples.

 

[Conebone69]

Sure.


Let me start by saying that I think one of the reasons The dark Knight doesn't have to showcase the moodiness that Begins did is because it's already established; I think Begins tried harder to attain that mood to distance itself from the poomacker vomit that was released.

Anyway, basically, I think that Begins was a moody film - it was paving the way from reality towards fantasy, and although now TDK is still cursed by that awful word (realism) it will be less so than Begins in some ways. I'm going round the houses here to reach my point, but I'm only just discovering it myself as I write this.

Batman is a theatrical icon, and now we are dealing with escalation. So if we had theatricality in Begins and now it has escalated, then surely that will hold some sway on the mood of TDK. Basically, like some have already said, The Joker will have much to do with this. Begins started out with a loan man seeking justice in a fairly ordinary setting, but now the characters and the world they live in have escalated and are more theatrical. So yes, I would say TDK is going to be twice as comicbooky as BB, but that doesn't mean to say that we're gonna get campy cheese. it just means that it won't be as low key as it's predecessor.

Hope that makes sense, because I think i have just succesfully confused the **** out of myself.

Other than what I've just said, I believe that as far as trailers go, TDK just doesn't have to show as much grime to assure people believe that it's a serious film.

I'm gonna sign this one.

- egg

Thanks eggy! Do people get it now?

 

[The_Joker7895]

Thanks eggy! Do people get it now?

I sort of get what you're saying Cone. I respectfully disagree with you, but i understand what you mean. I think the film is going to be a big reflection of the psychotic nature of Joker, in that the film itself will be grand, theatrical, and unhinged. I think that's the point Nolan is aiming for. It's especially prevalent in the tag-line of the poster that says "Welcome to a world without rules." Batman still believes he can bring Gotham back to normal, but the Joker comes in and makes a point of undoing everything Batman has done to bring order to Gotham. It makes for a somewhat theatrical narrative. I suppose what you're getting at is that you prefer it when Batman is more subtle, and less prominent to the world he inhabits. I think we will still see some of this, but less because Batman has by this point established himself as the defender of Gotham, and is more of a legendary symbol than mere urban myth.

 

[Solidus]

BB low key? I never saw it as such. It is still a comic book movie, just the same as TDK and many others. Yes it is more serious but "low-key" it was not. The fact remains you guys believe that theatricality will make the film "less cool" or "more comic book" like. I just think a lot of you have not read a lot of the comics.

This movie is more theatrical but in a lot of ways much more darker. I mean look at Two-Face. Look at the things the Joker does. And we don't even know the half of it. I guess my mind is boggling with this.

Its clear that the people making the film understand this movie will be much darker, and more mature, not made for a very young audiance. Yes it will be more theatrical, because of the Joker himself. It does not take away any of the darkness. Its clear that Nolan now succeding with making BB dark, he can get even more away with it in the sequel.

I'm laughing that some of you think the "theatricality" of the Joker will take away the serious aspect of it. Because it does not by any means. Maybe some should learn more about the Joker, his appearances may be theatrical but his actions are dead serious, and I mean DEAD.

 

[The_Joker7895]

BB low key? I never saw it as such. It is still a comic book movie, just the same as TDK and many others. Yes it is more serious but "low-key" it was not. The fact remains you guys believe that theatricality will make the film "less cool" or "more comic book" like. I just think a lot of you have not read a lot of the comics.

This movie is more theatrical but in a lot of ways much more darker. I mean look at Two-Face. Look at the things the Joker does. And we don't even know the half of it. I guess my mind is boggling with this.

Its clear that the people making the film understand this movie will be much darker, and more mature, not made for a very young audiance. Yes it will be more theatrical, because of the Joker himself. It does not take away any of the darkness. Its clear that Nolan now succeding with making BB dark, he can get even more away with it in the sequel.

I'm laughing that some of you think the "theatricality" of the Joker will take away the serious aspect of it. Because it does not by any means. Maybe some should learn more about the Joker, his appearances may be theatrical but his actions are dead serious, and I mean DEAD.

I agree 100%, even though you were a bit hostile about saying it. Like I said, this is Batman's world unhinged and turned upside down on him. It makes for a very serious narrative if you ask me. I think the Total Film magazine article really helps to explain this.

 

[Solidus]

Well, yes I was hostile I guess lol.

But it is true, I think some people are just under the wrong assumption of the Joker. Even some of my fellow friends in real life were iffy about it at first. Until they saw the trailers. I think some have a wrong opinion on the Joker, in my eyes they have not until now really given him a chance on screen to show why so many comic book fans see the Joker as one of the best villains ever.

I mean the things he does, don't make me laugh in the comics. They are theatrical yes, but then right after that you have to go, man he is sick in the head.

 

[Pauluz]

Dislikes;

The new theme. It's kinda dissapointing, it's not bad but the melody kinda seems all over teh place.
Lack of promotional suit pics.

Love everything else.

 

[Eggyman]

I still think TDK will be a dark film, Solidus. But we'll have to agree to differ about Begins being low key

 

[Matchbox]

BB low key? I never saw it as such. It is still a comic book movie, just the same as TDK and many others. Yes it is more serious but "low-key" it was not. The fact remains you guys believe that theatricality will make the film "less cool" or "more comic book" like. I just think a lot of you have not read a lot of the comics.

This movie is more theatrical but in a lot of ways much more darker. I mean look at Two-Face. Look at the things the Joker does. And we don't even know the half of it. I guess my mind is boggling with this.

Its clear that the people making the film understand this movie will be much darker, and more mature, not made for a very young audiance. Yes it will be more theatrical, because of the Joker himself. It does not take away any of the darkness. Its clear that Nolan now succeding with making BB dark, he can get even more away with it in the sequel.

I'm laughing that some of you think the "theatricality" of the Joker will take away the serious aspect of it. Because it does not by any means. Maybe some should learn more about the Joker, his appearances may be theatrical but his actions are dead serious, and I mean DEAD.

Excellent post, Solidus. I agree fully.

 

[Eggyman]

I don't think Joker will take any of the seriousness away from the film. My main point was that it's going to be a much grander, more theatrical story. And I'll reiterate that when I was calling Begins 'low key', I was doing it in comparison to its sequel: TDK will make Begins look low key merely by comparison.

 

[Fanticon]

Likes:

Batsuit

Batpod

Jokers look/personality

Dent being the backbone of the film

Cinematography

Partly IMAX

All the subplots

And theres a bunch more but just cant think of em all

funny...your likes list contains a bunch of things that happen to be on most peoples dislikes list...I'm not even sure this thread was even necessary but whatever

 

[Solidus]

I still think TDK will be a dark film, Solidus. But we'll have to agree to differ about Begins being low key

Thats fine. But I think Low-key and "origin" story may get some people confused. BB was more about Batman's start, and how he became the Knight.

TDK is adding more onto it, and showing that there is more to it then what Begins showed. TDK is expanding. But by no means becoming less dark.

But I'm not saying you can't have your opinion.

 

[donk70]

Likes:

Gary Oldman returning as Gordon.
Bale As Batman/Bruce Wayne
Ekhart as Dent/2 face
The tumbler
The batpod
The scaring on Bale's back
The Joker's goons
The "Slaughter is the best medicine" semi


Dislikes:
The Joker's "punk" look
lack of perma-white on the joker
Heath Ledger as the Joker
Rachel Dawes returns
Lack of a bat cave
The new suit's cowl and nose piece
Michael Caine as Alfred

 

[Solidus]

I don't think Joker will take any of the seriousness away from the film. My main point was that it's going to be a much grander, more theatrical story. And I'll reiterate that when I was calling Begins 'low key', I was doing it in comparison to its sequel: TDK will make Begins look low key merely by comparison.

Grander. Yes. More theatrical? Nah. BB was theatrical as well. Its about a man in a bat suit fighting crime. Both are theatrical, and thats what Batman is all about. But they have given it a believable layer, and a serious tone. Which is well done with both films.

 

[Eggyman]

Thats fine. But I think Low-key and "origin" story may get some people confused. BB was more about Batman's start, and how he became the Knight.

TDK is adding more onto it, and showing that there is more to it then what Begins showed. TDK is expanding. But by no means becoming less dark.

But I'm not saying you can't have your opinion.

I have not once said that TDK will be less dark, Sol. I am merely saying that it will be bigger - have more WOW factor, if you please - than what came before, which is what I gathered Conebone was getting at and why he asked me to explain. Below is my first post on this matter.

I see what you're saying, but I think 'dark' maybe the wrong word. BB just comes across as more low key, whereas TDK has a much grander, theatrical element to it, for obvious reasons. But I see where you're coming from.

 

[Eggyman]

Grander. Yes. More theatrical? Nah. BB was theatrical as well. Its about a man in a bat suit fighting crime. Both are theatrical, and thats what Batman is all about. But they have given it a believable layer, and a serious tone. Which is well done with both films.

I think it will be more theatrical. Gordon's speech at the end of Begins explains this, so I don't need to

'Escalation' will work on all levels.

 

[Solidus]

I have not once said that TDK will be less dark, Sol. I am merely saying that it will be bigger - have more WOW factor, if you please - than what came before, which is what I gathered Conebone was getting at and why he asked me to explain. Below is my first post on this matter.

Well, still I guess it depends of wow factors. I found a lot in BB when I watched it for the first time. But most sequels do have more wow factor.

Yet I understand that aspect, I think Cone was saying it will be less dark. And I still believe he does not mean what you mean. I was gathering that he thinks the Joker's theatricality would take away from the serious aspect of the movie. And that seemed to be what he was insinuating.

 

[The_Joker7895]

Likes:

Gary Oldman returning as Gordon.
Bale As Batman/Bruce Wayne
Ekhart as Dent/2 face
The tumbler
The batpod
The scaring on Bale's back
The Joker's goons
The "Slaughter is the best medicine" semi


Dislikes:
The Joker's "punk" look
lack of perma-white on the joker
Heath Ledger as the Joker
Rachel Dawes returns
Lack of a bat cave
The new suit's cowl and nose piece
Michael Caine as Alfred

Oh dear......