Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 1

[GuestStar2004]

People are wishing for Cable to show up at the end and save X23 and thatbrings her to the mansion in Deadpools time.

Probably not the plan tbh.

 

[Havok83]

Maybe it's a version of the Techno-organic virus that kills mutants?


People are wishing for Cable to show up at the end and save X23 and thatbrings her to the mansion in Deadpools time.

Techno-organic doesnt kill. It would just transform them into Technarch

 

[NotNickFury]

I think this was brought up by someone before. I know that the Fantastic Four are pretty much poison at this point and even though I doubt that Fox is going to do a new film anytime soon/let rights revert to Marvel, but since this story won't have characters we know from Old Man Logan like Red Skull or Hawkeye, it would be interesting if Fox tried to quasi-reboot the Fantastic Four by introducing them here, like having The Thing take the place of the Hulk, like Grimmland instead of Hulkland.

But, of course, I don't expect that to happen.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

I haven't read any of the thread before this, so if any other Marvel/X-Men fans out there pointed this out, sorry. :P

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NERDY THEORY TIME! This won't just be Old Man Logan, him gaining humanity spiritually and physically, this'll have Wolverine: The End as part of it. XAVIER ISN'T THERE, he's in Logan's head. He finds X-23, then during an attack, as we see in 1:08, he leaps and uploads his consciousness into Logan, leaving a link for Laura/X-23 to find. It's in The End, and it'd be a nod to X3's stinger. They bond with the help of Xavier. 1:10, Laura looks right only because Xavier projects himself using her mind. Why in the one shot, 0:52, why is Xavier in the backseat? Because he's now in the backseat of Logan's mind. (I also think Legacy Virus will be why the mutants are losing powers and dying.)

Also, I totally believe that X-23 will be taken from this timeline by the timeline/reality hopping Cable so she can be in the X-Force. She'd play the newbie on the team with a Wolverine status. She could be a member of both X-Men and X-Force, strengthening relations with mutants and humans, civilian and government. It's a pretty smart choice, what with Jackman closing the book on being the character and the studio most definitely not wanting to attempt another actor. I have a feeling, unlike the comics, Logan does die. I think we see Charles' burial at the end of the trailer, yet it's his original body that they went for during travels. As well as maybe Xavier still being able to die. Maybe he does something to sacrifice his power, hold and likewise his life during a fight Logan and Laura are having with the villain(s). Caliban getting Phoenix blasted like Apocalypse by Xavier, killing both of them and stopping his ability to hunt Laura and Logan? Hrm... I imagine Logan--or better yet, Laura--will take on Donald Pearce.

 

[metaphysician]

I was looking forward to a more dystopian, apocalyptic future, but that's my fault for having those expectations based on the Old Man Logan source material. I'm glad I understand now that might not be what we're getting, so I'll be able to re-adjust my expectations according. Does anyone here know details regarding the exact setting of the movie?

Didn't catch X-23's claws on my first viewing, but just saw them on a re-watch. It'll be really cool to see if she grows into the role and has a stint on screen comparable to Hugh Jackman, she might be the first legacy character that works.

I don't know, it kind of looked post-apocalyptic to me. Just less "ashes of a world burned in nuclear war", and more. . . "things fell apart". Like the entire world, or at least vast chunks of it, are rust belt-style ghost towns that have just been left behind. The world turns, life goes on, but everything is lesser.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Man, it's been a while since I re-watched a Trailer this often.

Same here, can't stop watching it.

Man, it looks like he's burying someone in that last (?) scene...

If it's Charles... ohhh man... I don't think I'll be able to hold back the tears.

I think that's definitely itely what's happening in that scene, I pointed it out a few pages back.

 

[Legion]

Techno-organic doesnt kill. It would just transform them into Technarch

I'm pretty sure the techno-organic virus baby cable got was deadly. They could sense his vitals fading and they chose to send him to the future because they had no other hope to save him.

 

[Lencho01]

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Cool.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't know, it kind of looked post-apocalyptic to me. Just less "ashes of a world burned in nuclear war", and more. . . "things fell apart". Like the entire world, or at least vast chunks of it, are rust belt-style ghost towns that have just been left behind. The world turns, life goes on, but everything is lesser.

I guess, but I wasn't expecting to see an iPhone, power lines, and a lot of nice new Dodge vehicles. I was hoping it would be more Book of Eli than Interstellar. We'll see, it's not a big deal and again I really do appreciate how different the trailer looked and felt.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

I'm pretty sure the techno-organic virus baby cable got was deadly. They could sense his vitals fading and they chose to send him to the future because they had no other hope to save him.

That's actually interesting. I could see the Sentinel program getting turned into the Transmode Virus (which is a way of getting out of the alien licensing of the Technarch), which like the Legacy Virus, kills the crap out of mutants and humans, yet they have a symbiotic effect on Pearce (which'll explain his cybernetics for the most part and reasonably excuse his actual cyborg origins) and maybe a mysterious character named Nathan Summers (also explaining his cyber arm and face) shows up at the end.

The Transmode Virus fuses with people, usually puppeting them with programmed conformity, but maybe not this version. Legacy Virus also mutates to start killing humans, which explains this end of days scenario. Fuse the concepts of both viruses, including the mutation/evolution of the viruses, and you have a solid "2 birds, 1 stone" story that grabs from source material and makes the fanboys and fangirlies wide-eyed with awe.

 

[Smilodon]

Mentioned briefly a bit by someone else but it looks like Mangold will be giving us both Laura and Logan's berserker rage, with the screen getting all blurry when it happens. There's a few close up of Laura's hands being all bloody where the claws protrude but I don't think we see them in the trailer, as her one fight scene in the trailer probably has them CG'd in. I'm fairly certain the claws we do see at the end are that of a Reavers.

 

[kguillou]

I haven't read any of the thread before this, so if any other Marvel/X-Men fans out there pointed this out, sorry. :P

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NERDY THEORY TIME! This won't just be Old Man Logan, him gaining humanity spiritually and physically, this'll have Wolverine: The End as part of it. XAVIER ISN'T THERE, he's in Logan's head. He finds X-23, then during an attack, as we see in 1:08, he leaps and uploads his consciousness into Logan, leaving a link for Laura/X-23 to find. It's in The End, and it'd be a nod to X3's stinger. They bond with the help of Xavier. 1:10, Laura looks right only because Xavier projects himself using her mind. Why in the one shot, 0:52, why is Xavier in the backseat? Because he's now in the backseat of Logan's mind. (I also think Legacy Virus will be why the mutants are losing powers and dying.)

Also, I totally believe that X-23 will be taken from this timeline by the timeline/reality hopping Cable so she can be in the X-Force. She'd play the newbie on the team with a Wolverine status. She could be a member of both X-Men and X-Force, strengthening relations with mutants and humans, civilian and government. It's a pretty smart choice, what with Jackman closing the book on being the character and the studio most definitely not wanting to attempt another actor. I have a feeling, unlike the comics, Logan does die. I think we see Charles' burial at the end of the trailer, yet it's his original body that they went for during travels. As well as maybe Xavier still being able to die. Maybe he does something to sacrifice his power, hold and likewise his life during a fight Logan and Laura are having with the villain(s). Caliban getting Phoenix blasted like Apocalypse by Xavier, killing both of them and stopping his ability to hunt Laura and Logan? Hrm... I imagine Logan--or better yet, Laura--will take on Donald Pearce.

S*** bro. You may be on to something now that I think of it. I hope that doesnt turn out to be the case though..

 

[GuestStar2004]

NERDY THEORY TIME! This won't just be Old Man Logan, him gaining humanity spiritually and physically, this'll have Wolverine: The End as part of it. XAVIER ISN'T THERE, he's in Logan's head. He finds X-23, then during an attack, as we see in 1:08, he leaps and uploads his consciousness into Logan, leaving a link for Laura/X-23 to find. It's in The End, and it'd be a nod to X3's stinger. They bond with the help of Xavier. 1:10, Laura looks right only because Xavier projects himself using her mind. Why in the one shot, 0:52, why is Xavier in the backseat? Because he's now in the backseat of Logan's mind. (I also think Legacy Virus will be why the mutants are losing powers and dying.)

Also, I totally believe that X-23 will be taken from this timeline by the timeline/reality hopping Cable so she can be in the X-Force. She'd play the newbie on the team with a Wolverine status. She could be a member of both X-Men and X-Force, strengthening relations with mutants and humans, civilian and government. It's a pretty smart choice, what with Jackman closing the book on being the character and the studio most definitely not wanting to attempt another actor. I have a feeling, unlike the comics, Logan does die. I think we see Charles' burial at the end of the trailer, yet it's his original body that they went for during travels. As well as maybe Xavier still being able to die. Maybe he does something to sacrifice his power, hold and likewise his life during a fight Logan and Laura are having with the villain(s). Caliban getting Phoenix blasted like Apocalypse by Xavier, killing both of them and stopping his ability to hunt Laura and Logan? Hrm... I imagine Logan--or better yet, Laura--will take on Donald Pearce.

Something to take into concideration is that the wrap article said Xavier is elderly and his powers are unstable.

We also seen set pictures of logan pushing xavier around in a wheel chair with X23

And as for cable appearing at the end to take her back in time... thats a questionable stretch for many reasons.

 

[Mad Ones]

Johnny Cash's Hurt is pretty uninspired but it does set a nice tone. I'm excited for X23 but little else. This has a chance of being his best solo film but the other two didn't make that too challenging.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

S*** bro. You may be on to something now that I think of it. I hope that doesnt turn out to be the case though..

Which part don't you want to be the case?

I'm actually thinking about the book series more and the character Stryfe was heavy in that. He's a clone of Cable. As like X-23 is a clone of Wolverine. Now if Cable is out there, then that'd mean Stryfe could very well be, what with the cloning plot. And that could be the stinger. Stryfe coming to the past/reality Cable goes to, following his "brother" and being an X-Force villain in that film that's upcoming. (They're so 90s. Lol. Sorry, just thinking of them.) So maybe the plot will be Technarch without having to be Technarch (licensing problems?) and they just make it Legacy, which is a viroid, not a virus. Give it some attributes of Technoide Virus and yea... Cable learns to control it. It dies after changing him, maybe? That'd explain away him not infecting others in his travels to the past, BUT it could be a Skynet plot as to what Stryfe would be up to by traveling back.

How they travel back, I have no idea.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Something to take into concideration is that the wrap article said Xavier is elderly and his powers are unstable.

We also seen set pictures of logan pushing xavier around in a wheel chair with X23

And as for cable appearing at the end to take her back in time... thats a questionable stretch for many reasons.

Xavier's powers are unstable bc of Alzheimer's. Him jumping into Logan's head might stabilize consciousness, but maybe lose power.

Him being pushed in the wheelchair can be explained. It could be before he makes the leap/upload. But yeah, not sure. I mean, the shot of him in the backseat and the super psychic blast... Hrm...

Cable fits right in with a technovirus rampaging throughout the world. They could've experimented on a mutant they really want, the son of Jean (well, Madelyne/clone of Jean) and Scott Summers. And as a backup, they cloned him, like X-23 from Wolverine's samples. And now that I think about it, "son" of Jean and Scott might not be accurate. He might've been created in a lab from the samples they gained from the mutants captured in Apocalypse. Just like Nathan Grey (X-Man) was created by Mr. Sinister. And the plot theories thicken. Oh yes.

 

[CB Fan]

Johnny Cash's Hurt is pretty uninspired but it does set a nice tone. I'm excited for X23 but little else. This has a chance of being his best solo film but the other two didn't make that too challenging.

Agreed. I need an explanation of where or what happened to Cyke, Storm, and Jean and if dead I won't be happy.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Techno-organic doesnt kill. It would just transform them into Technarch

Loose adaptation of the idea though. Mutants are the ones that have been killed so it has to be something that kills massive numbers. Like a virus. We know they are introducing Cable so leaving him with a metal arm instead of tying it to Wolverine would be a huge miss.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Cable fits right in with a technovirus rampaging throughout the world. They could've experimented on a mutant they really want, the son of Jean (well, Madelyne/clone of Jean) and Scott Summers. And as a backup, they cloned him, like X-23 from Wolverine's samples. And now that I think about it, "son" of Jean and Scott might not be accurate. He might've been created in a lab from the samples they gained from the mutants captured in Apocalypse. Just like Nathan Grey (X-Man) was created by Mr. Sinister. And the plot theories thicken. Oh yes.

While they could still use the premise set up in Logan for X-force it does seem likely that chances are cable will show up first in deadpool 2 and not Logan.

And the idea of cable suddenly showing up in this wolverine story to take this 11 year old girl to the past to end the film is really questionable.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Loose adaptation of the idea though. Mutants are the ones that have been killed so it has to be something that kills massive numbers. Like a virus. We know they are introducing Cable so leaving him with a metal arm instead of tying it to Wolverine would be a huge miss.

I believe it'll have attributes of the Technoide Virus, but believe it'll be much more Legacy Virus with the plague's use in the story. I just feel the Technarch might have licensing problems, or at the very least it's alien and that'd be awkward in this world. Like Phoenix Force being watered down, and the Shi'ar nowhere to be found in X3. Or Apocalypse lacking his origins of alien tech.

While they could still use the premise set up in Logan it seems like chances are cable will show up first in deadpool 2 and not Logan.

And You can bet when someone is actually cast as cable we will know about it.

Idk. They could surprise us with the reveal of the actor. That'd be so fun. But yeah, they do like to push for an actor's reveal to create hype. That type of news is like an ad for movies and tv shows. I will say, they could go light with it. Remember the end of S3(?) for Walking Dead when they introduced Michonne? They didn't reveal her face bc they hadn't picked an actress yet. So they could do something similar. Back of head reveals white hair of a figure walking towards X-23. Kneels down to X-23 and puts a bionic arm on her shoulder, revealing who that is to those in the know. Or something like that, you know?

 

[Web-Head]

I think this was brought up by someone before. I know that the Fantastic Four are pretty much poison at this point and even though I doubt that Fox is going to do a new film anytime soon/let rights revert to Marvel, but since this story won't have characters we know from Old Man Logan like Red Skull or Hawkeye, it would be interesting if Fox tried to quasi-reboot the Fantastic Four by introducing them here, like having The Thing take the place of the Hulk, like Grimmland instead of Hulkland.

But, of course, I don't expect that to happen.

Fox, please don't.

 

[kguillou]

Which part don't you want to be the case?

I'm actually thinking about the book series more and the character Stryfe was heavy in that. He's a clone of Cable. As like X-23 is a clone of Wolverine. Now if Cable is out there, then that'd mean Stryfe could very well be, what with the cloning plot. And that could be the stinger. Stryfe coming to the past/reality Cable goes to, following his "brother" and being an X-Force villain in that film that's upcoming. (They're so 90s. Lol. Sorry, just thinking of them.) So maybe the plot will be Technarch without having to be Technarch (licensing problems?) and they just make it Legacy, which is a viroid, not a virus. Give it some attributes of Technoide Virus and yea... Cable learns to control it. It dies after changing him, maybe? That'd explain away him not infecting others in his travels to the past, BUT it could be a Skynet plot as to what Stryfe would be up to by traveling back.

How they travel back, I have no idea.

Just the part about Xavier being in Logan's head.I hope that's not the case. Not that it's necessarily a bad idea but there's a certain popular show on right now whose main premise tackles imaginary people and the mental psyche and I'd rather not see that here too.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Just the part about Xavier being in Logan's head.I hope that's not the case. Not that it's necessarily a bad idea but there's a certain popular show on right now whose main premise tackles imaginary people and the mental psyche and I'd rather not see that here too.

Well, not everyone watches that show, so... It's also a movie about super people. Haven't seen that before. But what's the show you're talking about?

 

[NotNickFury]

Just the part about Xavier being in Logan's head.I hope that's not the case. Not that it's necessarily a bad idea but there's a certain popular show on right now whose main premise tackles imaginary people and the mental psyche and I'd rather not see that here too.

...Falling Water? Westworld?

I give up. What show is it?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'm assuming Mr. Robot