Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 1

[Weather Witch]

That was Daniel cudmore in X1 wasn't it?

Donald Mackinnon actually. Cudmore didn't enter the picture until X2.

 

[X-Maniac]

It doesnt contradict anything. At least not yet. I'll have to wait and see the context to which he is used

Two Trasks? There were two different characters with the last name Trask.

Emma? One was named Emma Frost and the other was Emma Silverfox. Different characters in this movieverse

Angel? Only Warren is a contradiction. There's no point in you even mentioning Salvadore bc that was clearly a different character and her first name happened to be his codename

I'll give you Jubilee but if you think simply being a recast is a contradition then we had what 4 of her? Might as well add the 3 Kittys

LOL... you're very good at making excuses. All those similarities, recasts, character reboots... it just keeps happening.

And it all starts to add up to a lack of overall planning. Just look at all the examples of similar/duplicate characters - you are not seriously saying that it's perfectly okay to do this?

 

[Spider-Fan83]

3 versions of colossus? technically there has only been 2

are we counting baby Colossus lol

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A recast for what reason though? tómas Lemarquis is 39, steven merchant it 41, its hardly an ageable recast.

Did mangold feel tómas Lemarquis wasn't good enough?

they may not be much difference in age between them...

but, one major difference of note is their height....
Tómas is only like 5'9" where Stephen is nearly a foot taller at 6'7"

wasn't there a story line in the comics where Caliban was turned into a huge hulking beast like creature?

gained Merchant is hardly a hulk of a man (in fact quite the opposite, he's a very skinny guy) but, with his height he would be ideal for body suit and makeup to turn him into such a monster (like Doug Jones)

so where Tómas Lemarquis may have worked for shorter, skinny Caliban, he doesn't fit the tall monstrous version

just a theory

 

[Havok83]

LOL... you're very good at making excuses. All those similarities, recasts, character reboots... it just keeps happening.

And it all starts to add up to a lack of overall planning. Just look at all the examples of similar/duplicate characters - you are not seriously saying that it's perfectly okay to do this?

Im not making excuses. I have no personal investment in this series and have been more than critically about how I feel its a hot mess that should have bee rebooted years ago bc of its inconsistencies. Anyone who's familiar with me take on the franchise can tell you that. I do try and be fair and unbiased when warranted though and I stand by everything I wrote to you in my last post. The series is full of contradictions. The stuff I disputed? They werent

Tómas is only like 5'9" where Stephen is nearly a foot taller at 6'7"

wasn't there a story line in the comics where Caliban was turned into a huge hulking beast like creature?

gained Merchant is hardly a hulk of a man but, with his height he would be ideal for body suit and makeup to turn him into such a monster (like Doug Jones)

so where Tómas Lemarquis may have worked for skinny, Caliban, he doesn't fit the monstrous version

just a theory

Caliban was turned into a Death, Apocalypse' Horseman who later became a member of X-Force

Heck, I just realized we are getting one half of the lineup with this film

 

[EnDz0n3]

Good thing they didn't credit "lily pond kid" (who Donald Mackinnon's Colossus was sketching along side) in X-men as Quicksilver. That would've been another double character. Though I suppose the white-haired kid in Origins is another Quicksilver(?)

Donald Mackinnon actually. Cudmore didn't enter the picture until X2.

Along with Kea Wong. Both Vancouverites.

Edit: Re: Stephen Merchant in a body suit. Please. No. lol

 

[Legion]

Good thing they didn't credit "lily pond kid" (who Donald Mackinnon's Colossus was sketching along side) in X-men as Quicksilver. That would've been another double character. Though I suppose the white-haired kid in Origins is another Quicksilver(?)



Along with Kea Wong. Both Vancouverites.

Edit: Re: Stephen Merchant in a body suit. Please. No. lol

Yea, I thought the guy in the restraints moving quickly was supposed to be Quicksilver.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Edit: Re: Stephen Merchant in a body suit. Please. No. lol

ok, that doesn't sound ideal, an I probably miss said that as he would most likely be a mo-cap character if they went with that verison

 

[GuestStar2004]

Donald Mackinnon actually. Cudmore didn't enter the picture until X2.

He was a background character wasn't he? if so he probably wouldn't fully count as the 3rd colossus

 

[Havok83]

He was like a background character wasn't he? if so he probably wouldn't fully count as the 3rd colossus

In that case then Jubilee shouldn't count especially since she's had appearances cut from final release

 

[X-Maniac]

Im not making excuses. I have no personal investment in this series and have been more than critically about how I feel its a hot mess that should have bee rebooted years ago bc of its inconsistencies. Anyone who's familiar with me take on the franchise can tell you that. I do try and be fair and unbiased when warranted though and I stand by everything I wrote to you in my last post. The series is full of contradictions. The stuff I disputed? They werent

Contradictions or not, it's not good to have duplicate characters.

With Deadpool, a second attempt/reboot worked wonders but they do keep doing this, adding secondary characters and cameos who are later re-done.

No one at the studio keeps a chart of which characters have been used, or thinks about ways to explain it on-screen...

Singer himself knows this. He even mentioned the other Trask in an interview that focused on "continuity errors."

“Some things you let go,” Singer admits. “In X-Men 3 Bolivar Trask was an African-American guy, in X-Men 1 I personally wrote the line that of course I now regret: ‘When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr’ and then in X-Men: First Class I changed that!” he laughs.

“Some of these I hope the audience will forget about but for the bulk of it I pay attention to the universe."

 

[Havok83]

Contradictions or not, it's not good to have duplicate characters.

I won't argue with that. The franchise should have made First Class an actual reboot so we wouldn't need to have this conversation right now

 

[Smilodon]

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Probably Boyd being confirmed as Donald Pierce.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I won't argue with that. The franchise should have made First Class an actual reboot so we wouldn't need to have this conversation right now

that was never going to happen as long as Jackman was playing wolverine.

the entire reason for the vast erasing of films with DOFP was done so they
could erase all the films that might conterdict first class but also keep jackman if they could and also try to say to fans who don't want a reboot see those films
you like are still relvent.

First class was always devolped as prequel.original it would have been a film
focusing on younger versions of older X-Men from trilogy-Cyclops,Jean,storm,beast.then it later became the Xavier and Magneto backstory film.

 

[X-Maniac]

I won't argue with that. The franchise should have made First Class an actual reboot so we wouldn't need to have this conversation right now

Although it would then have been difficult to do DoFP... and that turned out to be one of the best films in the franchise,,,,

 

[GuestStar2004]

I won't argue with that. The franchise should have made First Class an actual reboot so we wouldn't need to have this conversation right now

I don't see why tbh, DOFP was meant to be the timeline reset where they could have attempt a fresh restart so them continuing that whole 2 versions of characters thing isn't down to the lack of reboot.

 

[Web-Head]

Cool to finally find out who the villain will be

 

[chamber-music]

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Probably Boyd being confirmed as Donald Pierce.

Cool. I've always liked that crazy Cyborg Donald Pierce.

I hope the Revears are Cyborgs and not just generic human military villains.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am gonna take a guess and say if mr sinister is in the movie at all he won't be a big presence

 

[Havok83]

that was never going to happen as long as Jackman was playing wolverine.

the entire reason for the vast erasing of films with DOFP was done so they
could erase all the films that might conterdict first class but also keep jackman if they could and also try to say to fans who don't want a reboot see those films
you like are still relvent.

First class was always devolped as prequel.original it would have been a film
focusing on younger versions of older X-Men from trilogy-Cyclops,Jean,storm,beast.then it later became the Xavier and Magneto backstory film.

You dont need to tell me why they didnt do that. FC could have very easily been a reboot but thats not the direction they took. The fact is the films continue to contradict themselves regardless in spite of DOFP, so "erasing" the films didnt really solve that problem so people will continue to complain, be dissappointed, etc...whenever a new one comes out and point out how things dont make sense with whats come before

Although it would then have been difficult to do DoFP... and that turned out to be one of the best films in the franchise,,,,

I would have been completely fine with that. If they ever decided to do DOFP, they actually could have done it more true to the spirit of the comics, which the movie version deviated from heavily

I don't see why tbh, DOFP was meant to be the timeline reset where they could have attempt a fresh restart so them continuing that whole 2 versions of characters thing isn't down to the lack of reboot.

DOFP wasnt a reboot. I really dont want to get into this but you know it wasnt and they followed up with the very next film being inconsistent bc the franchise is still tied to the continuity of the original trilogy even if DOFP loosened that.

 

[dax]

Neither the original triology, DOFP future or The Wolverine actually give a date. Logan and the First Class trilogy are the only movies to do that. (And no marketing material doesn't count.) So honestly I don't think there is a problem here.

We know that the original trilogy is set in the 2000's based on the *NSYNC song and the timestamp on the Blackbird photo. In DOFP, Wolverine says he was sent 50 years from the future which meant that the "future" part of the film is in 2023. The Wolverine is most likely set in 2011 and the "2 years later" scene is in 2013 placing it 10 years before DOFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well singer said the future portion was set 10 years after X3 so we can probably guess the wolverine happened within that time.

 

[Weather Witch]

We know that the original trilogy is set in the 2000's based on the *NSYNC song and the timestamp on the Blackbird photo. In DOFP, Wolverine says he was sent 50 years from the future which meant that the "future" part of the film is in 2023. The Wolverine is most likely set in 2011 and the "2 years later" scene is in 2013 placing it 10 years before DOFP.

I hate it when people are right about stuff like this, but you are absolutely right. t:
I am one of those people who admittedly tries to make those kind of 'timeline problems' go away in my head to make sense of things. Willing to admit it though.

 

[TX85]

How many years after X3 does the new timeline set up at the end of DOFP take place and how much time passes between DOFP's present day ending and Logan?

 

[Weather Witch]

How many years after X3 does the new timeline set up at the end of DOFP take place and how much time passes between DOFP's present day ending and Logan?

Not so sure about the time between X3 and The Wolverine, but at least 2011-2023 so 12 years and probably a bit more. Take from the post I quoted above. Also if we assume that Logan return on the same day that he left in the original timeline. It would be one year later. 2023 for DOFP and 2024 for Logan. Now the only way for me to get around that is if Logan for some reason didn't end up in the same year (but I admit that is farfetched).

I also just checked and the globe thingy Logan wakes up next to has the date as Thursday (29th of June) and that is a valid date for 2023.

 

[TX85]

Logan takes place in 2024? I guess that fits with the Old Man Logan elements