Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 2

[Smilodon]

I posted that video awhile back, but eah, if anything Fox is just learning from Marvel and embracing their characters and their comic book-iness. It's just that some of the characters they've embraced aren't as family friendly as the MCU.

 

[Zant]

I posted that video awhile back, but eah, if anything Fox is just learning from Marvel and embracing their characters and their comic book-iness. It's just that some of the characters they've embraced aren't as family friendly as the MCU.

Exactly. The people who want the xmen to stay at FOX know what they are talking about. Marvel can't make a movie like Logan. Nothing wrong with that. Marvel are doing their thing while Fox are doing theirs. If that brings about a different variety of CBM then that's great.

 

[DavidHaller]

Exactly. The people who want the xmen to stay at FOX know what they are talking about. Marvel can't make a movie like Logan. Nothing wrong with that. Marvel are doing their thing while Fox are doing theirs. If that brings about a different variety of CBM then that's great.

if you like mediocre movies for the entire family...sure, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Smilodon]

Let's not start that here.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Some fanboys are just insecure. They are in the extreme minority so....

Its hard to say whats in the minority now days because they are often the loudest.

 

[kguillou]

It was just so weird to see people reacting like that, they were taking Mangold's comments to mean " my mature artsy movie is better than your dumb CGI kid films" which is not at all what he was saying.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Feige has said MCU is never going dark or r rated so films like deadpool and Logan would never happen by them.now they could make pg-13 versions of
deadpool and wolverine but they still would be different.deadpool would
still have comedy as in fox version but violence is harder at fox for deadpool as well as the adult themes like say the sex montage

another major difference is post origins X related films are far more director meduem way films are suspose to be.MCU is like a tv show with feige as the equilvent of tv show runner.

love it or not Fc was vaughn's.The wolverine and logan mangold's DOFP and APocalypse SInger's and deadpool miller's.

X-men is one of few comic book franchises where you can get away with doing r rated films.You could also get away with doing a r rated batman film of course Wb will never have guts for that.Daredevil is another.blade and punisher should also be r rated.they should never be r rated avengers,spider-man,and superman.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Fox is really trying a new ground here. Maybe making these r-rated flicks, giving massive artistic freedom and moderate budgets to creators with only one rule (keeping it true to the core of the character, staying faithful to the source) will be their thing. Something Disney and MCU can't touch.

 

[Snikt]

if you like mediocre movies for the entire family...sure, nothing wrong with that.

You've seen LOGAN already and know it's mediocre? Tell us more please.

I love the entire MCU and the X-Men films. The poster was just pointing out a fact, Marvel Studios will never make a hard, R-rated film; they've said so themselves. But they're very close to it with their Netflix series (and it's some of their best work IMHO).

I'm actually debating whether I want to read about the first 40 minutes of LOGAN that were screened once the embargo lifts. The reason being, everyone has said it's awesome and very violent; but it doesn't feel forced. Feels very natural and earned. On the other hand, I want it all to be a surprise and just stick to the trailers.

 

[Smilodon]

The embargo will probably lift closer to the release date anyways, so I'm sure it'll be easy to hold off just simply because it's so close.

Also, the new trailer is apparently only 82 seconds long at 24fps. Sticking to the trailers probably won't spoil a lot for sure.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You've seen LOGAN already and know it's mediocre? Tell us more please.

I love the entire MCU and the X-Men films. The poster was just pointing out a fact, Marvel Studios will never make a hard, R-rated film; they've said so themselves. But they're very close to it with their Netflix series (and it's some of their best work IMHO).

I'm actually debating whether I want to read about the first 40 minutes of LOGAN that were screened once the embargo lifts. The reason being, everyone has said it's awesome and very violent; but it doesn't feel forced. Feels very natural and earned. On the other hand, I want it all to be a surprise and just stick to the trailers.

disney is doing what works for them.sometimes i like it with say the captain America trilogy.my other favorate MCU films are the ones that predate Disney buying marvel iron man and the incredible hulk.the problem gets is when people want X-Men films to be exactly like them.even deadpool would be different if disney made it.

netflix shows are closest thing MCU will ever get to dark and r rated films.
from what i hear dardevil's vision of kingpin is better than most of MCU film
villains.

seems like mangold is really trying to keep things under wraps plot wise with logan.

If logan outgrosses the wolverine and comes close to what first class and apocalypse did domesticly that is likely going to further led fox to be willing to go for r rated films.and fox will likely be going outside of summer for
now on.

 

[Snikt]

disney is doing what works for them.sometimes i like it with say the captain America trilogy.my other favorate MCU films are the ones that predate Disney buying marvel iron man and the incredible hulk.the problem gets is when people want X-Men films to be exactly like them.even deadpool would be different if disney made it.

netflix shows are closest thing MCU will ever get to dark and r rated films.
from what i hear dardevil's vision of kingpin is better than most of MCU film
villains.

seems like mangold is really trying to keep things under wraps plot wise with logan.

If logan outgrosses the wolverine and comes close to what first class and apocalypse did domesticly that is likely going to further led fox to be willing to go for r rated films.and fox will likely be going outside of summer for
now on.

I'm very curious what the box office estimates will be for LOGAN. A few writers on Twitter seem to think it'll have no problem reach $500 million WW.

Personally, I think FOX will be happy with anything over $400 million WW for an R-rated X-Men film. I don't think they can expect Deadpool numbers because that film was a very special case with the magic touch.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I doubt it will make deadpool numbers, its seems too serious and emotionally toned to reach deadpool numbers

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm very curious what the box office estimates will be for LOGAN. A few writers on Twitter seem to think it'll have no problem reach $500 million WW.

Personally, I think FOX will be happy with anything over $400 million WW for an R-rated X-Men film. I don't think they can expect Deadpool numbers because that film was a very special case with the magic touch.

Jackman was able to get the wolverine into 400 Million range WW and that
film had poor marketing by fox.500 million ww isn't a stretch.Deadpool with r rating got in the 700 million range WW.

Logan doesn't have to be big moneymaker domesticly to be considered a hit.if it does 140 to 150 million domesticly on 127 million budget fox will be happy.and if it does that it will also be saying how weak the appeal of first class cast is.there isn't really a lot of difference between how first class and
apocalypse did domesticly.unadjusted apocalypse did 7 million more.adjusted for inflination first class did 3 million better.at ned of day good reviews-first class didn't help film much better than bad reviews-Apocalypse

logan is totaly different beast than deadpool.Logan is dark and gritter film.
Deadpool is over the top r rated action comedy that with it's love story was able to appeal to female audence.

Deadpool had crowd pleasing ending.Logan may end with tragic ending if wolverine does end up dying at end to save X-23 from weapon X and the reavers.

 

[def28]

If the tone argument was true then Batman shouldn't be hitting such strong numbers. You have to look at the marketability of the character. Drama or not, people still show to these. Even Fantastic Beasts hit harder and darker on the social themes this year then most mainstream films.

Barely anyone thought Deadpool would get to 400m. In fact many here were saying for quite sometime that it would bomb and not have any appeal to the general audience because the character is an "R rated niche". Which couldn't have been further to the truth.

This is Jackmans last round and the R rating is something that many wanted to see, that alone has been creating positive buzz. Likewise with X-23 who has became a very popular Marvel character in the last decade. Anything is possible if the film is received well, and just like Deadpool plenty of parents are gonna be bringing their kids to this cause Wolverine appeals to all ages. That's not gonna disappear.

The biggest issue I see is that Wolverine films have never been rated high with strong wom. It needs strong reviews and buzz like Deadpool or DOFP when reviews hit.The appeal itself is baked in with the character and our lead.

Also, is this getting a China release by any chance?

 

[Snikt]

Also, is this getting a China release by any chance?

Not sure on the China release, but it is getting an IMAX release worldwide, even here in the USA.

 

[def28]

Not sure on the China release, but it is getting an IMAX release worldwide, even here in the USA.

Nice

 

[GuestStar2004]

If the tone argument was true then Batman shouldn't be hitting such strong numbers. You have to look at the marketability of the character. Drama or not, people still show to these. Even Fantastic Beasts hit harder and darker on the social themes this year then most mainstream films.

What works for batman won't always work for every comic book movie though.

Barely anyone thought Deadpool would get to 400m. In fact many here were saying for quite sometime that it would bomb and not have any appeal to the general audience because the character is an "R rated niche". Which couldn't have been further to the truth.

I have always known it would do ok because of the humour as its what makes deadpool unique to even anything marvel are doing right now except for perhaps spider-man but even then spidey isn't won't kill people for a joke.

plenty of parents are gonna be bringing their kids to this cause Wolverine appeals to all ages. That's not gonna disappear.

Will kids want to see this movie though? i imagine with deadpool it was because of the humor while mangold has pretty much said he wanted logan to be more an emotional drama.

 

[def28]

What works for batman won't always work for every comic book movie though.

That goes for everything. The argument is that somehow a drama or dark films can't make big money and that's just not true. These films need to be good above all to find major success.

Will kids want to see this movie though? i imagine with deadpool it was because of the humor while mangold has pretty much said he wanted logan to be more an emotional drama.

My friends and I didn't watch Aliens and Predator as kids cause we thought it was hilarious. That wasn't the appeal. Or read Wolverine and Batman comics for that matter either.

Tons of kids have grown up with Wolverine this generation more then ever because of the X-Men films. Of course they are gonna want to see it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

My friends and I didn't watch Aliens and Predator as kids cause we thought it was hilarious. That wasn't the appeal. Or read Wolverine and Batman comics for that matter either.

Was the emotional drama of aliens and predator what you went to see it for?

 

[def28]

Was the emotional drama of aliens and predator what you went to see it for?

You just love tap dancing around the point don't you? Yeah dude, the drama in Alien and not the Alien itself is what got us 80s and 90s kids to watch that film. Just like the shark in Jaws and Dinos in Jurassic had no appeal.

Wolverine is still a superhero action star with powers. If you don't think that has appeal to kids you are just in denial.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You just love tap dancing around the point don't you?

No I asked a basic question because honestly comparing alien and predator to Logan was weird in itself because from what I know most kids were not going to see alien or predator to see the emotional drama.

Course if you are comparing aliens killing people brutely to Logan killing people brutely rather then the difference of one being more horror-ish and the other not being then that's a tough one because kids may go to see Logan to see some claw action but I dunno how you can't say deadpool won't always have the edge in terms of the fun aspect.

 

[kguillou]

Well, I think what Gueststarr is saying is that things like Aliens and Predator and Terminator, while r rated and technically not for kids, have that "action" appeal that kids could latch onto. While I'm SURE logan will have a good amount of action, it seems like the marketing is pushing more of the emotional drama aspect of it. Basically, it looks like No Country for Old Men with Wolverine. No Country is not a film I expect younger kids to want to see.

I'll be curious to see how trailer #2 markets the movie and if it tries to push more of the action aspect to try to draw in younger audiences.

 

[def28]

No I asked a basic question because honestly comparing alien and predator to Logan was weird in itself because from what I know most kids were not going to see alien or predator to see the emotional drama.

Of course they were not, and they will not be going to Logan for the drama either. They will be going because it's Wolverine. A guy with claws who fights bad guys.

Doesn't matter how much drama they advertise there is nothing that can do to take that appeal away. Some of you are acting like this trailer was completely void of care chases, guns, claws and action. Clearly Wolverine and X-23 are fighting people on the run. That's a pretty obvious part of the appeal here.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well, I think what Gueststarr is saying is that things like Aliens and Predator and Terminator, while r rated and technically not for kids, have that "action" appeal that kids could latch onto. While I'm SURE logan will have a good amount of action, it seems like the marketing is pushing more of the emotional drama aspect of it. Basically, it looks like No Country for Old Men with Wolverine. No Country is not a film I expect younger kids to want to see.

Pretty much yeah.