Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 2

[Gu3ree]

Hard to explain this but about the comic book thing...

Slightly off topic but when knowing Man of Steel was going to be a more realistic take on the Superman character, you see the setting in the 90s showing Clark growing up in Smallville but it feels weird, it's our world and so realistic as if Superman would have already existed and he would be a comic book character, but living in a world where Superman hasn't existed yet, and supposedly in the universe, the term "superhero" never came about either...it was hard to get used to. It just felt strange.

In STM or the Smallville TV series, I believed Clark was Superman in this universe.

Okay seeing the X-Men comic books in the Logan trailer feels weird because...well would they know all their secret identities? Even though most of them don't see to have secret identities. Would they know the face of Wolverine or his full name in light of those comic books?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think anyone missed that. Problem is a meta self reference doesn't really compliment the serious tone the rest of the trailer or the previous trailer seems to be setting up for the movie. It's a goofy 'hey guys, X-men is a comic book, get it?.

Levity is never a bad thing. This is still a comic book film.

 

[fobi]

Can't wait to find out what exactly happened to the rest of the X-Men in a relatively short amount of time since DOFP.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Did not mind the comic thing one bit. It works into the theme of leaving some kind of legacy, or an idealised version of the truth that may not be fair to the people they depict.

 

[jmc]

I don't think anyone missed that. Problem is a meta self reference doesn't really compliment the serious tone the rest of the trailer or the previous trailer seems to be setting up for the movie. It's a goofy 'hey guys, X-men is a comic book, get it?.

It feels weird but I'm wondering if there's context to it within the movie. I can't imagine it was just some meta reference thrown in for fans, otherwise it would be entirely out of place. My best guess is X-23 discovered the in-movies comics and maybe has used them as learning material because maybe the government has tried to eliminate all knowledge of mutants.

 

[Broseph44]

Did not mind the comic thing one bit. It works into the theme of leaving some kind of legacy, or an idealised version of the truth that may not be fair to the people they depict.

This is basically what I was thinking, I don't have a problem with it either.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The thing I don't like about the comic book moment - they're going a bit too far with "we're not like other comic book movies". As well as it smells like X-Men are super-stars or something. As for identities - X-Men largely didn't conceal it, and most of them were exposed while they lived civilian life.

I also hope there's some context to it. Maybe tied up with how X-Men vanished or something...

 

[The Infernal]

Levity is never a bad thing. This is still a comic book film.

My point isn't that there can't be humour. I'm saying that heavy handed winks to the audience like this don't seem appropriate for the tone this film seems to be going for.

 

[Gu3ree]

"The Wolverine" took place one year after "X-Men: The Last Stand" right? I was a little confused. "Days of Future Past" took place how much longer after "The Wolverine"? I know it was in the year 2023 or something.

 

[Lencho01]

God, I love it. The scene with Laura revealing her claws to Pierce was great. And Dafne Keen is doing a great job at presenting a the feral rage. And you can already tell this is going to be one bloody movie.

A little iffy on some of the wire work with Laura, but god damn, the action looks amazing.

I still love how low-key it all feels.

 

[Guts]

I loved it! Loved the ending where Professor X actually cusses...this is going to be awesome.

Can someone explain to me the whole comic book thing?? What X23 is from a parallel universe where all of Marvel characters are part of comic books and not real? Or are they simply comic books inspired by...the "real" X-Men, as if they were real, as they obviously are real and exist in that universe. Um...what? So Wolverine has yellow spandex too and...what is this?

I just can't see that being in the film. I get the feeling it will be cut out. Unless there's some explanation. Don't get me wrong, I love that homage, and hope it stays in the cut but...I'm just curious. Does anyone know why? Can anyone explain it?

Having watched the extended cut of The Wolverine recently, it makes me wonder. Could be likely that part could be cut out?

So someone has died but...who? Logan saying he doesn't want to talk about it.

Why is X23 so aggressive?

I like seeing how Logan and Professor X have evolved their friendship and how Logan has grown and developed as a person.

The implication is that at this point in time the X-Men become so popular and celebrated as heroes that people made comics about them and made them out to be these larger than life figures.

It reminds me of the possibility that Peter Parker read Superman and Shazam comics in the Sam Raimi movies and that DC comics made pirate comics in Watchmen.

 

[X Knight]

I guess there's no doubt now who the little girl is........

 

[The Infernal]

It feels weird but I'm wondering if there's context to it within the movie. I can't imagine it was just some meta reference thrown in for fans, otherwise it would be entirely out of place. My best guess is X-23 discovered the in-movies comics and maybe has used them as learning material because maybe the government has tried to eliminate all knowledge of mutants.

It seems that their existence as a group and at least some of their adventures may be publuc knowledge, but by Logan's judgment they seem to be a mix between inacurate and made up. I have trouble seeing the government covering up mutants existence and allowing the comic to be published. Plus previous movies already established mutants out in the open. Hard to indo that.

As for X-23 it could be that's her idealised version of Wolverine and they contrast that with the broken man he is now.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The comic book thing is probably to celebrate hughs time as wolverine aswell as the character of wolverine.

It does feel more meta then something that would actually happen since there would be no way anyone would know these events so its all written by a comic book writer.

 

[fobi]

Well in DOFP the X-Men and mutants were kind of seen as heroes, at least to some people. There were probably many instances where the X-Men saved the city and/or the world so it's definitely understandable that a lot of people revered them.

 

[marieylee]

Well in DOFP the X-Men and mutants were kind of seen as heroes, at least to some people. There were probably many instances where the X-Men saved the city and/or the world so it's definitely understandable that a lot of people revered them.

Pretty much. I don't see a problem with it. If there were real superheroes with powers in real life, no doubt there would be comics/toys/etc about them. Aren't there Cap/Iron Man toys/costumes in the MCU (?). At the very least, we saw a kid in a Cap costume in Jessica Jones

 

[fobi]

Pretty much. I don't see a problem with it. If there were real superheroes with powers in real life, no doubt there would be comics/toys/etc about them. Aren't there Cap/Iron Man toys/costumes in the MCU (?). At the very least, we saw a kid in a Cap costume in Jessica Jones

Same with Spider-Man.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My point isn't that there can't be humour. I'm saying that heavy handed winks to the audience like this don't seem appropriate for the tone this film seems to be going for.

Considering this seems to be the "end times" for mutants, it actually seems rather fitting to see how people see them. The myths they became.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Trailer song name please?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Kaleo - Way down we go

 

[samsnee]

They should have had her reading an Avengers comic and him saying how fake they are compared to the X-men.

 

[NotNickFury]

For those who have watched, how is the new red band trailer? Against every inclination, I'm avoiding that one. But I'm guessing it's just as good as the regular one?

 

[Sithborg]

It just seems to be two added bits of swearing.

Logan's bit was pretty much my reaction to the trailer.

 

[Ryan1210]

“That the comic books exist is a kind of recreation of something that happened and something that Logan is trying to run from — meaning he’s tired of the legend. He’s tired of the stories, he’s tired of the people recognizing him on the street, and he’s tired of someone holding out an action figure of him. All that merchandizing exists in the movie, and I think it produces a very interesting effect, much more real world which was our goal. What is it like to be one of these characters who’s been sold, packaged, reported on, and a hero to kids — might have posters on some kid’s wall — yet you’re not fulfilling it anymore, you can’t keep up anymore? And that’s the interesting question the movie asks.

Ok I'm having hope for Rogue now.

 

[X Knight]

Considering this seems to be the "end times" for mutants, it actually seems rather fitting to see how people see them. The myths they became.

so, in these comics, will Rogue and Gambit finally be a couple with Rogue flying and having super strength?