Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

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Mangold also tweeted that the film is set in 2029 and people are just click-baiting again.

Was the SNL clip an actual bit from the film?

There was something shown tonight?

Yes, the TV spot aired immediately after the opening monologue. It features the opening scene of the trailer, with Laura in the convenient store, but it actually includes her claws.
 
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No one is saying DP is the best X-film to date. But your constant attempts to discredit DP somehow by saying it creates continuity errors (which it doesn't, it exists in the present day where there is yet anything to be established) or treats Colossus badly (which it doesn't. He's a straight man to Wade in this film and isn't a punching bag for the villains) needs to stop. Not wanting DP to be the engine that drives the X-universe right now is a totally fine opinion, but you're really grasping at straws by saying Ryan and co. view the X-Men as a joke because Deadpool treats them as a joke. Deadpool is supposed to do that. They've established themselves as understanding the characters, the world and the film they're supposed to be writing for well, and have created a film that displays that. That's all that people are saying.
Like Smilidon said, I was not saying everyone needs to think it's the greatest film ever. I'm saying that film was never supposed to be an X-Men film. Nor should have been. It was supposed to be a Deadpool film, which should be obvious.

You are now trying to blame a 50m Deadpool film Fox never thought would be big for the past X-Men films mistakes. Which at this point is just coming across as jealousy in it's success.
You two are fighting the good fight. I'm tired of marvelrobbins victimization of X-Men films and villification of Deadpool. He seems very pressed about that film being succesful. Singer and Kinberg are the ones to blame for their mess. Especially Kinberg who was the supposed overseer of the X-Men Universe.
 
Yes, the TV spot aired immediately after the opening monologue. It features the opening scene of the trailer, with Laura in the convenient store, but it actually includes her claws.

Gotcha thanks! :up:

You two are fighting the good fight. I'm tired of marvelrobbins victimization of X-Men films and villification of Deadpool. He seems very pressed about that film being succesful. Singer and Kinberg are the ones to blame for their mess. Especially Kinberg who was the supposed overseer of the X-Men Universe.
Yep, pretty much!

Amongst a few others who made X3 and XMOW, but yeah Kinberg never did what he said he would. There are too many films/characters/decades and this franchise is now old. These problems were always gonna hurt things down the road if they didn't change what they said they would.

Every film since X3 has been a different decade with contradictions. That's not the best way to have an expanded universe or even just normal sequels for that matter.
 
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I'm alright with the decade skips, I understood it then. But we've gotten where we need to be, even if it was a bumpy. The slate is clean (well minus Betsy and Warren which is unforgivable at this point), now we need to push through with a new and clear visions and talent like Miller, Mangold and Boone and not have anymore Calibans.
 
I really don't understand why a sequel would need to take place in the 90s instead of the 80s. Or why they would want all their actors so far away from the others. Just don't see the benefit. At this point if everything was in current day alot of the problems would be out the door.

But yeah, well see. We have a bit for the next one and at least we know New Mutants, Logan and Deadpool 2 are shaping up to have alot of potential. Which is more X-Men related variety then we have gotten. So good times.
 
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Its either they want to catch up to the present (good luck to that) or they want to continue the pattern of jumping ten years. Anyway, just go back to the future/present. Its not like the younger version were so popular. *looks at Apocalypse's box office numbers*
 
I really don't understand why a sequel would need to take place in the 90s instead of the 80s. Or why they would want all their actors so far away from the others. Just don't see the benefit. At this point if everything was in current day alot of the problems would be out the door.

But yeah, well see. We have a bit for the next one and at least we know New Mutants, Logan and Deadpool 2 are shaping up to have alot of potential. Which is more X-Men related variety then we have gotten. So good times.
Certain aspects of the franchise gets a lot of flack, but Apocalypse left the franchise with a lot of workable pieces and all it takes is someone with a good vision to rejuvenate them. Like the MCU, Fox must move on past their underwhelming entries, learn from them and keep the story going. They're in a lot better shape than if they had three bad to downright atrocious films consecutively.

I'd rather they just drop the decade skips as well. But if they just do the whole sliding time scale thing, it's not the end of the world. Deadpool was great and the potential its sequels has is exciting, Logan is straight up on the path to be one of the all-time superhero greats, and someone taking on a property like the New Mutants is exactly what we need. We gotta work on making other characters as known as Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm etc. That'll help insulate the ship instead of making it reliant on a few characters. X-23, Magik, Dani Moonstar, Domino, Cable etc - these are all compelling and unique characters that no other studio can match and there's incredible potential to be mined from them.

Hell, I think having Caliban on a road trip with Charles, Logan and Laura is a downright fantastic idea. The entire story of Logan seems something incredibly original, yet an incredibly faithful blend of preexisting stories. I'm stoked to see Merchant's Caliban performance. Elevating characters like NTW and Caliban, bringing in X-23, these are things we need. Hopefully Fox will continue to find passionate people who can give us something like this in the near future.
 
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LOL the man in the tweet is Sean Spicer, Trump's new White House Press Secretary.

In his first address to the WH Press Corps, Spicer made a patently false statement, that the crowd at Trump's Inauguration on Friday was the "largest audience ever to witness an inauguration. Period."

One needs only to look at the large swaths of empty space from overhead shots of the Washington Monument from that day to know that he's just talking out of his ass.

The rather bizarre press conference (and that statement in particular has become something of a meme).

Ahh, thank you. I know about the inauguration but have no idea who he was at all haha.

Hope Logan will get the R rating.
 
It'll be R. Like, there's no way it isn't. We can all relax with that one.
 
I start to believe that this movie is set in the Deadpool world/universe.
As in:

- R rating
- Mutants being dead in Logan by 2029; they were already a small number of mutants in Deadpool which was in 2016.
- The comic-book moment; like kind of breaking the forth wall thing; Deadpool referenced it with movies instead
- Singer saying that X-23 will join the X-Force as a replacement for Wolverine, which makes more sense now that most likely Logan will bite it, and Deadpool/X-Force stuff will have time travel.
- All the talk about a Deadpool and Logan meeting (which is most likely happening in a Deadpool/X-Force movie)

So yeah, I start to feel this movie really more connected to the Deadpool movie, than the others X-Men movies. The R-rated-verse
 
DOFP (1973) -> Apocalypse (1983) -> Deadpool (201X) -> DOFP (2023) -> LOGAN (2029)

Somethings are lacking in explanation in terms of how certain characters got where etc, but where the movies themselves are isn't all that complicated. They're all in the same universe, in this new, very spread out timeline that has yet to be filled in. Deadpool only had two X-Men because they don't have money to include others. Rest assured, now that they have the keys to the Ferrari, we will see greater connectivity and establishment of the greater X-universe, which they get to set up because they're the only ones working that period. If Ryan/Rhett/Wernick want to introduce the Mutant Liberation Front, or Genosha, or Muir Island, or Kavita Rao, or Cameron Hodge or whatever they want, they could probably get away with it as long as other films aren't necessarily using it, and if other films don't mention these things, it's not like they're not part of the universe. Just doing distinct things.
 
I'd rather they just drop the decade skips as well. But if they just do the whole sliding time scale thing, it's not the end of the world. Deadpool was great and the potential its sequels has is exciting, Logan is straight up on the path to be one of the all-time superhero greats, and someone taking on a property like the New Mutants is exactly what we need. We gotta work on making other characters as known as Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Storm etc. That'll help insulate the ship instead of making it reliant on a few characters. X-23, Magik, Dani Moonstar, Domino, Cable etc - these are all compelling and unique characters that no other studio can match and there's incredible potential to be mined from them.

Hell, I think having Caliban on a road trip with Charles, Logan and Laura is a downright fantastic idea. The entire story of Logan seems something incredibly original, yet an incredibly faithful blend of preexisting stories. I'm stoked to see Merchant's Caliban performance. Elevating characters like NTW and Caliban, bringing in X-23, these are things we need. Hopefully Fox will continue to find passionate people who can give us something like this in the near future.

I agree with pretty much all of this :up:

But I think they need to also really focus on getting Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Psylocke etc to a much better level. Cause right now they are not big enough selling points and nowhere near the same league as Wolverine. Apocalypse did them no favors and it's an uphill battle for them now. They also shouldn't forget about characters like Rogue, Emma and Kitty as they have too much potential. So in regards to the main franchise they still have alot to do and make up for imo.
 
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No doubt those characters still need work, but they'll always be at the top of the list in terms of priority relatively speaking. Hopefully, as Deadpool and Logan will show, the characters only need to be shown the proper amount of care and creativity to become as popular and sought after as Wolverine or Iron Man or any other character the MCU has managed to elevate into the public consciousness.
 
For sure, we just haven't seen that kind of dedication in the past two decades. So it's something they need to address. Character priorities with Fox have changed as this trilogy has put their focus on Mystique, Charles and Mags with Quicksilver being the audience favorite.

So hopefully we are at the point now that they can focus on the others without heavy rotating rosters every film. Time will tell.
 
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Because they specifically changed DOFP from happening and thus brought back Jean, Scott, etc...so X3 was already undone. Deadpool undoes W: O.

Deadpool didn't undo Wolverine Origins entirely. Some parts of the movie still exist in the timeline like:

-the 1845 opening scene.
-the 100+ years of Wolverine and Sabertooth fighting wars together (including Vietnam despite DOFP putting Wolverine in New York in 1973.)
-Wolverine meeting William Stryker (based on their brief encounter in DOFP).
AND
-the weapon X experiment (based on Wolverine's cameo in X-men: Apocalypse).

Apocalypse also showed Cyclops and Quicksilver reliving the same events as WO so in a way, the film was never erased just like X1 wasn't erased after hearing what the Logan trailer just told us.
 
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Don't think @RealHughJackman said that exactly. Simple fact. We take place in 2029, 5 yrs past anything depicted in XMEN film.
 
DOFP (1973) -> Apocalypse (1983) -> Deadpool (201X) -> DOFP (2023) -> LOGAN (2029)

Somethings are lacking in explanation in terms of how certain characters got where etc, but where the movies themselves are isn't all that complicated. They're all in the same universe, in this new, very spread out timeline that has yet to be filled in.
Yeah it really isn't any more complicated than this.

So hopefully we are at the point now that they can focus on the others without heavy rotating rosters every film. Time will tell.
I think that is a pretty safe bet. :)

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Good. That settles that.
 
The first and only thing they should have been concerned about is making a good film. I'd rather have a great film that doesn't doesn't completely fit in with other instalments than a film that's god awful and connects to everything. Fans can ***** about continuity and changes from the comics all they want, but at the end of the day all that matters is that the filmmakers created a good movie.

You talk as if 'great film' and 'good continuity/connectivity' are mutually exclusive.

You CAN have a great film that honours the continuity.

We live in an era of box sets and where people talk on social media of 'binge watching' film series such as LoTR and Potter or TV series such as Breaking Bad and GoT; my TV provider Sky has a section where you can download entire box sets.

Can you imagine if there were all these continuity mismatches in the LoTR movies or the Harry Potter movies? 'But that would never happen' you'll cry. Then why does it have to happen in the Fox movies? Why can't they build an onscreen tapestry that feels like it holds together well, rather than a patchwork quilt full of moth-eaten holes?

Logan looks decent enough so far (though it hasn't made me massively excited, I have to say) but there should be a little more planning. I thought this was all that company bosses did these days - have meetings where they discuss and co-ordinate and study analytics and audience feedback?
 
You talk as if 'great film' and 'good continuity/connectivity' are mutually exclusive.

You CAN have a great film that honours the continuity.

We live in an era of box sets and where people talk on social media of 'binge watching' film series such as LoTR and Potter or TV series such as Breaking Bad and GoT; my TV provider Sky has a section where you can download entire box sets.

Can you imagine if there were all these continuity mismatches in the LoTR movies or the Harry Potter movies? 'But that would never happen' you'll cry. Then why does it have to happen in the Fox movies? Why can't they build an onscreen tapestry that feels like it holds together well, rather than a patchwork quilt full of moth-eaten holes?

Logan looks decent enough so far (though it hasn't made me massively excited, I have to say) but there should be a little more planning. I thought this was all that company bosses did these days - have meetings where they discuss and co-ordinate and study analytics and audience feedback?

It happens to the Fox movies because they were the pioneers of this ****. That's why. Everyone came after and started tweaking and improving on their model.
 
It happens to the Fox movies because they were the pioneers of this ****. That's why.

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