Lounge of Justice - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 21

[Silliminite]

Because I like everyone here in this lounge, please be very careful, I'd love to see you last for a long long time.

I like you too.....




Okay, it's awkward now.

 

[Da-Scribe]

You don't have to be religious to notice it. Some of the most vocal critics of the scene are, in fact, atheists/agnostics.

Okay fine, then I'm just dumb.

 

[Consona]

Oh, misslane38 is back. (or maybe you've always been here but I haven't seen you in a long time. t And witty as ever.

Well, to be fair, the symbolism isn't just juxtaposing Clark with Christ. It is specifically referencing Christ in Gethsemane.

It isn't just "here's Clark next to the Jesus image", you have to go deeper when it comes to Snyder

, it's what Miss is talking about, it's about what's on the picture in connection with Clark's situation.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Okay fine, then I'm just dumb.

LOL You know who Jesus is. You probably just didn't care.

Some folks are more attuned to religious imagery than others, for entirely different reasons.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I wasn't a fan of the bit in MOS where Superman floats away in a cross position. Felt too heavy handed.

I'm okay with the subtle stuff, like where Superman mentions he's "33" years old.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I wasn't a fan of the bit in MOS where Superman floats away in a cross position. Felt too heavy handed.

I'm okay with the subtle stuff, like where Superman mentions he's "33" years old.

I was fine with those two. Hell! Even the aforementioned image wouldn't have stood out as much sans the bright red cloak.

 

[Silliminite]

Loved this scene in MoS:

 

[Ardyns]

All the Jesus parallels in Man of Steel never occurred to me until I saw someone on the internet criticizing Zack for overdoing it. I thought the background was there because it was a Church. Then again, I don't know anything about Jesus or Christianity.

This.

 

[Consona]

Superman is all about Jesus. Right from the beginning: Jor-El *sends to Earth*, *his only son*, etc., etc., etc. t:

Shame Zack forgot to adapt this one...

OMG, the kryptonians are taking me, heeelp!!!

 

[KalvinEllis]

Loved this scene in MoS:

It's amazing.

 

[Silliminite]

Guys, I just got a revolutionary idea. Let's start a pro-DCEU ratings website. We can call it.....Fresh Tomatoes.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Loved this scene in MoS:

I'm a fan of this moment.

 

[Da-Scribe]

LOL You know who Jesus is. You probably just didn't care.

Some folks are more attuned to religious imagery than others, for entirely different reasons.

Lol yeah that's what I meant. I'm not knowledgeable on much Christian imagery, outside of the painfully obvious stuff like the Jesus on the cross thing in MoS. That part was definitely a bit too much for me.

 

[Black Narcissus]

RIP Michael Parks

One of the great character actors ever.

 

[2kt09]

#[blackout]PowerBangers[/blackout]

 

[TheRedWraith]

Dude...

I'd love to see him don armor like this when the Justice League fights Darkseid.

I'd prefer it to be gold but otherwise I agree.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'd prefer it to be gold but otherwise I agree.

I like that it's not gold, just like his father's.

 

[TheRedWraith]

But his father's was gold/dark gold or at the very least pale yellow like aged bone depending on lighting conditions, and it certainly wasn't grey like that which would look terrible on top of his beautiful suit and would clash horribly with it, whereas the gold or pale yellow would compliment it very well.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I wonder why no one has ever asked based Miller about 2pac's California Love video. Dre and Pac loved Mad Max, it seems. lol

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I've only seeN mad max FR, but in both the movie and video it had some big bad chasing after girls who were kidnapped by the hero. Do many mad max movies have hott women held captive?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I predict people will simply begin disregarding the disproportionate critical reception when it comes to WB properties. Like "new WB movie? let's see.. 12% on RT? those clowns are still at it. well I'll go and see if it's actually good because this definitely isn't an accurate indicator of whether it is". It would also help if more people called them out on their crap. People who are respected and acclaimed. People who don't really stand to lose that much by opposing the status quo or the critics. Like a Spielberg or a Scorsese. Then other respected figures in the entertainment industry can follow suit until it becomes widely accepted as fact that critics are engaging in a brand war and, as such, their opinion doesn't accurately reflect the quality of the movies. If too many people speak out and call them out on their crap, then there's no specific person or group of people they can pull the rug out from and ruin. They can't go after everyone.

I've been waiting for this to happen, which is why I hate that WB panders to these jerks.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Black Narcissus]

Can ya'll stop with this conspiracy? Sure, there are folks who dont actually like Snyder, but if the positive overwhelms the negative, it wouldnt matter anyway.

WB flicks:

Fantastic Beasts sits as a positive.
Kong as well.
Fury Road.

I still believe WW will get there too.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

These rappers mayn... smh

Spoilers, watch at your own risk.

Spoiler

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I don't know what to say... other than I'm extremely impressed and hyped. This was supposed to be a fighting game.

 

[misslane38]

I was checking out the DCEU leaks reddit thingy and there's this new post by someone who apparently has a solid track record that says

Spoiler

For most of his screen time Superman is bad and does wear the black suit. He doesn't have a mullet or beard, his hair is just a little longer than usual.
The villain(Steppenwolf) goes rogue. In the final battle he defeats & kills all of the league except Flash who travels back in time to prevent it. Steppenwolf is sent back to Darkseid where he is killed by ''lasers''(Omega beams), this is the only time we see Darkseid. He said the cg wasn't completed so it was some guy in a mo-cap suit acting next to green screen and vfx lasers.
Aquaman steals the show. Mera joins the league in the final fight. During the opening battle(Which reminded him of Game of Thrones apparently) a green lantern fights against Darkseid's army.

I believe the individual who posted these original spoilers added some new ones recently. This is what was said:

Spoiler

My friend was generous enough to answer some questions last night instead of waiting till Saturday. So here's some new story details for JL but before I do alot of people think I'm the one who has seen it(I DIDN'T!) I'm just getting info from someone who did, someone who hasn't been wrong in the past, I'm not telling you to believe this, that's your choice but I do.

Anyways: Each character has their own story arc except WW who he felt was forced into it. Aquaman's arc is about returning his motherbox to Atlantis, Cyborg's arc is about his connection to a motherbox, Flash's arc is about the speed force(He said they explain it perfectly), Batman's arc is about forming the league & Superman's arc is about the codex in his blood. Aquaman lives in a lighthouse, he refuses to be the king of atlantis. Flash is only able to time travel 3 minutes into the past. In the end Bruce gives him a new armored suit that will help him to go farther. WW returns to Themyscira after a century because she will die if she doesn't, amazons are only immortal if they remain on Themyscira. We see her mother Hippolyta.

Superman has about 30mins of screen time. He's bad for at least 15mins of it. Steppenwolf convinced him that during the battle of Doomsday(He doesn't actually call him that) Lois was killed, Batman had a chance to save her but he saved himself. Steppenwolf says ''He killed your world, now kill his''. There's a little short fight between Batman & Superman, Superman wins and is about to kill Batman when Lois arrives(Flash). That's all he told me for now, sorry I couldn't get him to answer all the questions. He said he might answer them soon.

I continue to be suspicious of these leaks, but I thought I'd address these new details like I did the previous ones.

Spoiler

Anyways: Each character has their own story arc except WW who he felt was forced into it.

This seems odd, because we've already seen from the trailers that the Amazons and their mother box are significant both in terms of the prologue history of Darkseid's contact with Earth before and because Zack Snyder has spoken to Diana's arc in interviews, saying that her arc in Justice League is about showing how Diana has "fully evolved into someone who’s embraced mankind, partly through Superman’s sacrifice." She mentions the Age of Heroes in the trailer, which is likely a reference to the past she knows from Themyscira's history, and we see her in the trailer helping Bruce recruit the League. Taken together, that hardly seems like she has no arc and is out of place in the narrative.

Aquaman's arc is about returning his motherbox to Atlantis,

This is neither here nor there, but I'm curious about this notion of "returning" the mother box, as if Atlantis is where it was meant to be all along. Plus, it seems fairly obvious that returning an item to a location isn't a character arc. From what we've seen, having Arthur embrace his role as a hero and want to work with others is a part of his character development.

Cyborg's arc is about his connection to a motherbox,

Again, that seems oversimplified and something anyone could know from trailers and such already. It's also weird not to mention anything about Silas Stone's kidnapping.

Flash's arc is about the speed force(He said they explain it perfectly),

I'm not sure how this is an arc or why the speed force would need to play such a significant role. It also fails to mentiont things like Barry's father being in jail, Iris, or what seems to be Barry's lack of friends and how the league would give him that family and friends that he's been missing. Plus, there's Barry's unique dynamic with Batman that Ezra Miller has described as "a relationship between someone who is naïve and excited, and someone is experienced and jaded. Barry and Bruce get a kick out of each other because they’re seeing sort of themselves, but reflected in this very warped mirror. I think they have a lot to learn from each other."

Batman's arc is about forming the league

Sure, but that's obvious from Batman v Superman and trailers. It's also limited given that the other layer of Batman's arc is teased in the trailer and in the movie's official description: he is learning how to play well with others again and to reform for having lost his way.

Superman's arc is about the codex in his blood.

Given everything else going on with Superman, reducing his arc to something so minor and physical seems a bit odd. Nonetheless, Man of Steel already delved into the codex in a fairly significant way both by establishing that he is the codex and by showing Clark choose to relinquish its ability, or his blood's ability, to be used to generate new Kryptonians using the Genesis chambers on the Kryptonian ships in a fulfillment of Zod's wishes. The only way the codex would be significant here is if it was part of what made it possible to resurrect Superman. That hardly sounds like a character arc, though.

Aquaman lives in a lighthouse, he refuses to be the king of atlantis.

I see, then, so Arthur would have more of an arc than just returning a mother box. Still, this isn't exactly something that one couldn't guess from the trailers.

Flash is only able to time travel 3 minutes into the past. In the end Bruce gives him a new armored suit that will help him to go farther.

This confuses me. Presumably, Bruce would want to help Barry travel farther through time because he knows that Barry does it and has to do it in order to warn him about the future. However, that means he already knows that Superman could be evil (and alive!) and that Lois is the key. If he already knew about Superman being alive and evil, then shouldn't his first priority be to guard Clark's body? It also suggests that the movie spends a substantial amount of time just building up to the point we already got to in the Knightmare sequence and the Flash warning, making it so we'd have to watch yet another sequence of events where the heroes try to do something different. But do they? If the armored suit is to match up with BvS, then Barry doesn't do anything differently. How can it be possible for things to ever fix themselves or go in the right direction, if the same mistakes are repeated? Why would viewers be forced to watch basically two versions of the same timeline in the same movie? Would they even, or would things sort of just change around Barry? I was always under the impression that Barry's warning in BvS was the extent of the time travel, and that Justice League wasn't about showing what led up to that, but how things were going to be different now that Barry did warn Bruce.

WW returns to Themyscira after a century because she will die if she doesn't, amazons are only immortal if they remain on Themyscira. We see her mother Hippolyta.

This is okay, but I have a hard time believing that this is the most important or memorable thing about Wonder Woman from the movie. It's also not really a canon thing, as far as I'm aware; I don't believe the immortality has ever been something that has to be recharged, so to speak. I also don't know whether we're supposed to assume that after returning, she can leave again for another hundred years or not, because if not, this spoiler implies that Wonder Woman's presence in the DCEU would be over after Justice League. That doesn't seem to align with Patty Jenkins' recent comments that she'd like to set a potential Wonder Woman sequel in modern day America. I also don't know why, if this was a concern, Diana wouldn't have returned in the many years prior when she had the time to do so.

Superman has about 30mins of screen time. He's bad for at least 15mins of it. Steppenwolf convinced him that during the battle of Doomsday(He doesn't actually call him that) Lois was killed, Batman had a chance to save her but he saved himself. Steppenwolf says ''He killed your world, now kill his''. There's a little short fight between Batman & Superman, Superman wins and is about to kill Batman when Lois arrives(Flash). That's all he told me for now, sorry I couldn't get him to answer all the questions. He said he might answer them soon.

This spoiler implies that Superman is revived, but with amnesia. It's not clear why he would just believe what some scary stranger tells him or why he would suddenly abandon his previous mindset about Earth being his world to wanting to destroy it just to get back at Batman. It's also unclear why, if Flash has gone back in time to let Bruce know about Lois being the key, why Bruce wouldn't make sure to be prepared for an evil Superman attack with kryptonite and to be very clear with Clark that Lois is alive. It's also unclear why Batman would be facing Superman alone instead of with the league's support. Finally, I'm trying to reconcile this spoiler with the previously provided one. The original spoiler say Superman wears the black suit with longer hair while the Knightmare sequence showed neither. Also, the spoiler also said that Steppenwolf kills the Justice League and then Barry goes back to the past to prevent it. So, presumably, this version of the timeline -- the one in which Lois arrives to stop Superman -- is the second or new and improved timeline?

In short, I feel like too much of this spoiler depends on stuff we already know from trailers, etc. and from BvS. The time travel in particular seems like an unnecessary headache, included in the spoiler because it was available for inspiration rather than from actually seeing the movie.