LUCASFILM In Talks With 4 Female Directors For Future STAR WARS Films

[Horhey]

Okay...and? You're the only person claiming that's why they got meetings. All that happened is seven women got meetings.

Wrong. From the article:

"Behind closed doors, people at the studios are saying, 'we know we have a problem,'" Alberghetti said. "How do we get more women behind the camera?"

 

[danoyse]

OMG. The point is them being woman should not be a factor at all. What is so hard to understand about that?

It shouldn’t. And if they’d been doing that all along, it wouldn’t have been mentioned in the article at all. Since this is finally happening now, it’s being mentioned, as it’s significant that it finally is. Hopefully soon it won’t need to be treated as something so extraordinary from here on out.

You’re the one who called it “politics over quality”. Why do you assume they’re not looking for quality with comments like that?

 

[danoyse]

Their gender should not factor into the question of who is qualified for the job, at all.

And again, why do you assume that meeting with these women means they’re not interested in quality?

 

[Horhey]

It shouldn’t. And if they’d been doing that all along, it wouldn’t have been mentioned in the article at all. Since this is finally happening now, it’s being mentioned, as it’s significant that it finally is. Hopefully soon it won’t need to be treated as something so extraordinary from here on out.

You’re the one who called it “politics over quality”. Why do you assume they’re not looking for quality with comments like that?

Oh I see how you're interpreting that. I was suggesting that it seemed like the issue of their gender was the priority moreso than their qualifications. It shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Snow Queen]

Wrong. From the article:

Gender issues in film making isn't some new idea, their agent is stating a fairly obvious point. Minus the question, I'll believe that one more when I see it. The agent's job is to get her clients meetings, this agent got seven of her clients meetings. She did her job. Whether or not they get they get the job is up to them. You made the claim that they only got these meetings because they're women, when there's no evidence for that claim. The agent got seven clients interested in a Star Wars job meetings to see if they can make a film, outside of stating the obvious that male directors often get chances female directors don't, what makes this any different than every other time we've heard directors are getting meetings?

 

[Horhey]

Gender issues in film making isn't some new idea, their agent is stating a fairly obvious point. Minus the question, I'll believe that one more when I see it. The agent's job is to get her clients meetings, this agent got seven of her clients meetings. She did her job. Whether or not they get they get the job is up to them. You made the claim that they only got these meetings because they're women, when there's no evidence for that claim. The agent got seven clients interested in a Star Wars job meetings to see if they can make a film, outside of stating the obvious that male directors often get chances female directors don't, what makes this any different than every other time we've heard directors are getting meetings?

We've already come full circle a couple of times.

 

[danoyse]

Oh I see how you're interpreting that. I was suggesting that it seemed like the issue of their gender was the priority moreso than their qualifications. It shouldn't be an issue.

And you should phrase your comments better. Look at this:

Just for the sake of them being female, rather than whose best for the film? Politics over quality.

This reads as:

-They met with women just because of their gender
-None of these women can be what’s best for the film because all they care about is hiring women
- Then this:

Do you see how that sounds?? You’re not coming off well with that.

As a female Star Wars fan, I will be thrilled for the day that it doesn’t have to be headline news that a woman is being considered to write and/or direct a Star Wars project, because we’ve been capable of it all along.

But as a female Star Wars fan, I’m equally thrilled to hear this news that they’re meeting with women for future projects, because ****ing FINALLY. It’s about damn time.

So do you know how comments about how they must care about more politics than quality sounds? It makes you sound like a cranky little man-child upset that a girl is in your playground.

I’m glad that’s apparently not what you meant, but be more careful how you say it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wrong. From the article:

I cannot believe that you now officially must have a vagina to direct a Star Wars movie. Kathy Kennedy has insulted all white male directors around the world. How will they ever find another directing job? Also, did anyone inform Rian or Colin that they were fired? God, what will they do next, activity look for a minority candidate?

Oh, you mean they are actively pursuing a female director to take up one of many directing jobs at LF? Giving a chance to those who would usually be passed over because of their gender? Trying to set an example for other promising female directors?

 

[Horhey]

And you should phrase your comments better. Look at this:



This reads as:

-They met with women just because of their gender
-None of these women can be what’s best for the film because all they care about is hiring women
- Then this:

Do you see how that sounds?? You’re not coming off well with that.

As a female Star Wars fan, I will be thrilled for the day that it doesn’t have to be headline news that a woman is being considered to write and/or direct a Star Wars project, because we’ve been capable of it all along.

But as a female Star Wars fan, I’m equally thrilled to hear this news that they’re meeting with women for future projects, because ****ing FINALLY. It’s about damn time.

So do you know how comments about how they must care about more politics than quality sounds? It makes you sound like a cranky little man-child upset that a girl is in your playground.

I’m glad that’s apparently not what you meant, but be more careful how you say it.

As long as their the best person for the job, man or woman, that's all that should matter. But yea, in the back of mind last night I had hoped what I said wasn't interpreted this way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And you should phrase your comments better. Look at this:



This reads as:

-They met with women just because of their gender
-None of these women can be what’s best for the film because all they care about is hiring women
- Then this:

Do you see how that sounds?? You’re not coming off well with that.

As a female Star Wars fan, I will be thrilled for the day that it doesn’t have to be headline news that a woman is being considered to write and/or direct a Star Wars project, because we’ve been capable of it all along.

But as a female Star Wars fan, I’m equally thrilled to hear this news that they’re meeting with women for future projects, because ****ing FINALLY. It’s about damn time.

So do you know how comments about how they must care about more politics than quality sounds? It makes you sound like a cranky little man-child upset that a girl is in your playground.

I’m glad that’s apparently not what you meant, but be more careful how you say it.

What you do not understand danoyse is that all some care about is quality. Those people don't see race, gender or even in color. By interviewing female candidates they couldn't possibly be looking for the best ma... I mean person for that job. What if they hired this hack?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As long as their the best person for the job, man or woman, that's all that should matter. But yea, in the back of mind last night I had hoped what I said wasn't interpreted this way.

Don't worry, you made yourself very clear with the rest of your post today.

 

[Sithborg]

Do you understand that 90% of the time, when someone says "best person for the job", they mean a white dude?

Kennedy has been pretty vocal about Star Wars being for everyone. And that she looks forward to using her position to give upcoming directors a great opportunity. So, I am not seeing the issue.

 

[Horhey]

Do you understand that 90% of the time, when someone says "best person for the job", they mean a white dude?

Yea, but that's not how see it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Do you understand that 90% of the time, when someone says "best person for the job", they mean a white dude?

Kennedy has been pretty vocal about Star Wars being for everyone. And that she looks forward to using her position to give upcoming directors a great opportunity. So, I am not seeing the issue.

I love the idea that when Brett Ratner has been hired over the years, he was the best person for the job. t:

Yea, but that's not how see it.

But that is definitely how you wrote it.

 

[Horhey]

I love the idea that when Brett Ratner has been hired over the years, he was the best person for the job. t:


But that is definitely how you wrote it.

********. That's how you read it. I meant it seemed like the priority was gender over qualifications.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

********. That's how you read it. I meant it seemed like the priority was gender over qualifications.

Because you know the qualifications of the directors that interviewed. And yeah, it is telling that is what you jumped to. The idea made me smile. I felt proud that the series that I have loved my entire life was potentially crafting out a chance for a voice not heard enough in Hollywood. A legit chance for a female director to prove themselves on a large scale. My mind never jumped to it being a "problem".

I am curious though, how exactly are female or minority directors suppose to get the "qualifications" if they don't get the jobs in the first place?

 

[Horhey]

I am curious though, how exactly are female or minority directors suppose to get the "qualifications" if they don't get the jobs in the first place?

Well, they should. But you're approaching this from a political point of view. I was looking at it as a purely practical matter. As in what's best for the movie, rather than how can we best advance the careers of woman and minority filmmakers. This is a comic book forum, not a political one. If you care this much about this issue, sign up here and debate it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/

Edit: I'm a member there btw.

 

[Sithborg]

So, Kennedy's goal to get more women in front of the camera shouldn't apply to those behind the camera?

Sci-fi is such a freaking boys club, that I really don't mind Kennedy looking for the right talent to sort of break up the boy's club.

And make no mistake. If anyone knows what Hollywood is like, it is Kathleen Kennedy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, they should. But you're approaching this from a political point of view. I was looking at it as a purely practical matter. As in what's best for the movie, rather than how can we best advance the careers of woman and minority filmmakers. This is a comic book forum, not a political one. If you care this much about this issue, sign up here and debate it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/

Edit: I'm a member there btw.

No, I am approaching this from a human and fan point of view. Films aren't made in a vacuum and Kathy Kennedy knows that. You are the one that made this political issue suggesting that hiring a woman director would be a political move in the first place. You make it sounds like they are going to hire some random person off the street because they have a vagina.

But I am use to post like yours. You are about being "fair", being "traditional" and being "practical".

By the way, we have political forum here as well.

 

[Horhey]

No, I am approaching this from a human and fan point of view. Films aren't made in a vacuum and Kathy Kennedy knows that. You are the one that made this political issue suggesting that hiring a woman director would be a political move in the first place. You make it sounds like they are going to hire some random person off the street because they have a vagina.

But I am use to post like yours. You are about being "fair", being "traditional" and being "practical".

By the way, we have political forum here as well.

Eek! "Traditional" I am not. Do you know what a Libertarian Socialist is? FAR from what you presume me to be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eek! "Traditional" I am not. Do you know what a Libertarian Socialist is? FAR from what you presume me to be.

You can tell me you are whatever you like. That doesn't change your post in this thread. You literally started this thread to complain about this.

 

[Horhey]

You can tell me you are whatever you like. That doesn't change your post in this thread. You literally started this thread to complain about this.

I've already explained my post very clearly. Gender should not be a priority when deciding who should direct or write a film. Period. That is all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've already explained my post very clearly. Gender should not be a priority when deciding who should direct or write a film. Period. That is all.

You made yourself very clear. Which is exactly why you have had the reaction to this thread that you have. It is easy to say that gender shouldn't matter, except for the matter that it has mattered in Hollywood since its inception. If we did it your way, we'd never see a female director of a Star Wars film.

 

[Horhey]

You made yourself very clear. Which is exactly why you have had the reaction to this thread that you have. It is easy to say that gender shouldn't matter, except for the matter that it has mattered in Hollywood since its inception. If we did it your way, we'd never see a female director of a Star Wars film.

No, because the best person for the job may actually be a female director or writer. This is getting silly.

 

[C. Lee]

The difference is their gender wasn't part of the issue, at least overtly. Really, I don't care.

You don't care....and yet you started a thread to discuss it and started the discussion with a smilie that rolls it's eyes at the mere idea of women being considered for directing positions. yeah, I see how much you don't care.