Luke Cage Luke Cage General Discussion Thread - Part 1

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I just watched episode episode 6 the other night.

Love this show and the dialogue and performances are just superb.

I'm watching one a week, I din't binge because if it is a show I really like I want it to last.

One thing I don't get is why isn't Luke attracting more media attention at this stage? Or the eyes of other forces? The world of the MCU doesn't seem to have become a place yet where super powers are so common place that it isn't news. Luke getting hounded by journalists might not be what the writers want but then maybe they shouldn't have had him being filmed or his powers being public knowledge beyond rumours.

And in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. people with powers are shown to be often feared and desired by powerful organisations. I know the two shows are not directly connected and the various branches of the MCU need their own breathing space.

Not criticising - it just an observation at the halfway point of the season. I'm well aware that I have no idea what is coming next. ;)
 
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I think the most likely answer is "Actually, the world *is* getting to the point where every person with powers doesn't automatically attract mega attention". And, technically Luke *did* attract media attention as soon as he did something in public. He played it coy about his powers, but he didn't exactly deny them in any serious way.
 
The press were certainly covering Mariah's speech. It's just something that can only be covered in Luke Cage. There's a couple reasons for that. One, it's really his story so it needs to be covered here. Second, the show took place months before it was released. The time to reference the show on other shows occurred before it aired (and likely before the particular scenes were filmed) and that would have been stealing its thunder.
 
I think there is probably a lot of confusion and disbelief among the general public in the MCU. There are superheroes, Inhumans, sorcerers, aliens, androids, highly skilled regular humans and technology enhanced people.

Even if people saw the video of Luke Cage knocking those cops they wouldn't know what he is. Ordinary people are still incredibility skeptical and removed from what is going on with 'enhanced people' in the MCU world.

Despite having super senses and living in a city that faced an alien invasion Daredevil seemed really skeptical about all the Hand/Caste zombie ninja stuff war. Doctor Strange didn't believe in magic until it was shown to him.

The experiment that gave Luke his powers is connected to a wider conspiracy by the sounds of things. Very powerful people are trying to make sure people don't know those prisoners where being experimented on.
 
I think the most likely answer is "Actually, the world *is* getting to the point where every person with powers doesn't automatically attract mega attention". And, technically Luke *did* attract media attention as soon as he did something in public. He played it coy about his powers, but he didn't exactly deny them in any serious way.

What about governments freaking about superhero activities in Civil War and how governments and some people are reacting to Inhumans in Agents of S.H.I.E.LD. ?

This suggests that many people are afraid or at least concerned about superpowers. While it makes sense that after all this time people are used to the idea, that Luke would at least attract a news crew or an annoying journalist.

I'm not saying it should or has to happen - I said in another thread that the audience doesn't need to be told everything and we can fill in certain blanks ourselves (for example here I took the assumption that Luke may have been hounded by the press off screen in the days after the building collapse but he didn't co-operate and they gave up) but the reason I brought it up was that I was curious why the writers decided that the Luke be revealed to the whole world, rather than his powers be "word on the street", if they weren't going to complicate his life with media attention anyway.

The press were certainly covering Mariah's speech. It's just something that can only be covered in Luke Cage. There's a couple reasons for that. One, it's really his story so it needs to be covered here. Second, the show took place months before it was released. The time to reference the show on other shows occurred before it aired (and likely before the particular scenes were filmed) and that would have been stealing its thunder.

By "stealing his thunder", do you mean Coulsen and S.H.I.E.L.D. showing up in the show, for example?

If that is what you meant, I agree and I wasn't suggesting it although I do see how the way I point made it seem as though I was. Although it would be fun to have some kind of crossover, even if it is only in dialogue or an easter egg that someone from S.H..I.E.L.D. investigated or are currently observing Luke.

As I said above, I was simply wondering why the writers decided to out Luke to the world if it wasn't going to actually impact on him in anyway. If it was to so the neighbourhood knows about him and to bring Claire the show, simple word on the street would have done that without him needing to be filmed by news crews.

I think there is probably a lot of confusion and disbelief among the general public in the MCU. There are superheroes, Inhumans, sorcerers, aliens, androids, highly skilled regular humans and technology enhanced people.tein

Even if people saw the video of Luke Cage knocking those cops they wouldn't know what he is. Ordinary people are still incredibility skeptical and removed from what is going on with 'enhanced people' in the MCU world.

Despite having super senses and living in a city that faced an alien invasion Daredevil seemed really skeptical about all the Hand/Caste zombie ninja stuff war. Doctor Strange didn't believe in magic until it was shown to him.

The experiment that gave Luke his powers is connected to a wider conspiracy by the sounds of things. Very powerful people are trying to make sure people don't know those prisoners where being experimented on.

That is very good point in regards to the public. And Luke being hounded by the press maybe something we are supposed to assume has happened but is unnecessary for us to see.

The movies and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show that governments both fear and desire people like Luke. So I was thinking that being public knowledge should "realistically" bring a government agency down on him. So I was thinking that outing him was unnecessary if that wasn't going to happen. However, your last point may clear that up and it is actually quite simple - the writers may have outed Luke Cage on to the world so that he was brought to the attention of the owners of Seagate. For some reason I had it in my head that Burstein was working on his own little side project and had complete forgot that Seagate was a privately owned facility.
 
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By "stealing his thunder", do you mean Coulsen and S.H.I.E.L.D. showing up in the show, for example?

No, I mean spoiling plot elements of Luke Cage in May 2016 (or, arguably, probably closer to December 2015) when Luke Cage didn't even air until the end of September 2016 because that's when the timeline would line up.

As I said above, I was simply wondering why the writers decided to out Luke to the world if it wasn't going to actually impact on him in anyway. If it was to so the neighbourhood knows about him and to bring Claire the show, simple word on the street would have done that without him needing to be filmed by news crews.

It was plot relevant to his story and drove his narrative, which was important - both with Mariah's political ambitions and with the metaphors of the feared black man.
 
No, I mean spoiling plot elements of Luke Cage in May 2016 (or, arguably, probably closer to December 2015) when Luke Cage didn't even air until the end of September 2016 because that's when the timeline would line up.

I understand, although a reference or Easter egg on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (for example, someone in S.H.I.E.L.D. mentioning Luke Cage or "that guy in Harlem") could easily have be done without spoiling anything.

It was plot relevant to his story and drove his narrative, which was important - both with Mariah's political ambitions and with the metaphors of the feared black man.

Yes, I know however that plot element could easily be carried out by eyewitnesses and word of mouth rather than media attention (if that was the sole purpose of Luke being caught on camera**).

I should make it clear that the issue is not a big deal nor do I view it as a problem. It isn't even a criticism. I know that these projects have to stand on their own and even in a shared universe, every little cannot be connected, but I enjoy looking at the "bigger picture" and how all pieces fit, or even don't fit, together. :cwink:

** As I said in the original post, I was looking at it from the point of view of where I am in the season now and not pre-judging, just making an observation. I was aware that the implications for Luke of his powers being public knowledge were intended to dealt with in a later arc and music-chamber has reminded me that there are shadowy forces behind Luke's abilities so maybe media attention is necessary to bring that threat back into his life.
 
One, the government wasn't freaking out about "superhero activity" in Civil War. They were freaking out about *Avengers* activity. Which is to say, the team of world-striding demigods changing the fate of nations without a regard for national sovereignty. Not the same thing at all as a local dude fighting local crime.

Two, Agents of SHIELD has crap writing in general, and especially crappy writing last season. So, why you feel the need to take seriously its desperate attempts to steal importance is up for debate.
 
You're in a Luke Cage forum, which is made by Marvel Television. Luke Cage and Agents of SHIELD exist in the same continuity. They also exist in the continuity of the movies, but at least there's a slightly different corporate structure that lets people separate them in their minds. People are taking Agents of SHIELD seriously when it comes to a debate about the continuity of certain things because it's part of that continuity.
 
I just decided to binge this over the weekend. Just finished up. I gotta say, this was really really really good. Not quite Jessica Jones good. But better than either season of Daredevil, IMO.

I love the character Luke himself and find it incredibly refreshing to see a black, male protagonist on a TV show who isn't a thug or a gangbanger or rapper (i.e. Empire and even the new 24's main character has a background as a gangbager and a drug dealer brother). Luke is relatable, insightful, and has depth. That isn't something you see from many African American characters on TV. Bravo to Marvel for making a black superhero who is more than a caricature and stereotype.

That isn't to say that the show shies away from race. Rather it takes it head on, addressing the inherent societal discrimination against lower income African Americans and the prejudices they still face today, even when trying to do the right thing. It tells a familiar superhero story from a truly unique perspective in modern media.

The show isn't without its flaws. As to the message, while I applaud Marvel and Netflix for taking on the complex issue of race, it doesn't do so particularly well. Its kind of clumsy about it. Especially in the later half of the season. For most of the back six episodes, the show seems to want to say something but isn't quite sure what. On one hand it wants to seem to comment on the inequitable treatment African Americans face at the hands of police, BLM, etc. On the other, it feels to afraid to take a stance on it. For every time a character stops to ponder on societal injustice, there is another instance where a character pops up too randomly assert that the police aren't that bad and they get an unfair wrap. As I said, it is a very clumsy attempt to address this issue. I get that it is complicated on both sides, but the shows message seems to be "Both sides have a perspective....that is all." I'm not saying to take a side, but at least add something to the dialogue. Just putting everything on the table isn't really adding a whole lot. If you want your show to have a message, be prepared to say SOMETHING. I felt the same way about the Arrow gun episode. Its okay to have an episode or a show with a political or societal message. But there has to actually be a message. To raise a bunch of issues and say nothing about it is a cop-out.

Of course, that is only the majority of the back half. In the penultimate episode, the show finally decides to express a viewpoint on the show's political undertones. The problem is, they do it in the most on the nose and heavy handed way possible, literally stopping the show to have Method Man talk/sing about race for 5 or 6 minutes set to a montage of black men buying bullet hole filled hoodies. The symbolism isn't the least bit subtle or clever and the dialogue during that segment is cringe worthy. "Finally, a black man in a hoodie that police can't shoot." Clumsy doesn't even begin to sum this one up. It would've been more subtle if the episode just came screeching to a halt so that the writer could come out and say "SEE!?! THESE ARE THE METAPHORS OF OUR SHOW!" Give your viewer some credit. We don't need the themes spelled out.

My only other gripe is that Diamondback is a very poor villain. Cottonmouth was amazing. As are Mariah and Shades. This show has a plethora of great villains. Diamondback wasn't one of them. He was just too out of place with the show's somber and serious tone. He comes across as a cartoon character. The tone of the villain was just all wrong. The show broke away from the Blaxplotation-tone of the early comics, opting for a more modern and socially relevant tone. But for an inexplicable reason, it threw that all away when it came time for the villain. Watching scenes with Diamondback is like watching an entirely different show. Tonally he is just way off from everything around him. I would've much preferred Cottonmouth stick around the entire season (though damned if his death wasn't a fantastic and unexpected twist).

All in all, a great show and a worthy addition to Marvel's Netflix brand.
 
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Okay, no one's mentioned it, but Season 2 may start filming soon.

Marvel and Netflix dropped their third well-received hit last year, and it may not be too long before Luke Cage season 2 begins production. Luke Cage saw Mike Colter bring his bullet proof hero into a leading role after his introduction in Jessica Jones, and the response was almost exactly what Marvel and Netflix could’ve hoped for. The early reviews pointed to it possibly being the best Netflix/Marvel series, but it was almost universally agreed that the first half of the season was much stronger than the second.

Marvel and Netflix dropped their third well-received hit last year, and it may not be too long before Luke Cage season 2 begins production. Luke Cage saw Mike Colter bring his bullet proof hero into a leading role after his introduction in Jessica Jones, and the response was almost exactly what Marvel and Netflix could’ve hoped for. The early reviews pointed to it possibly being the best Netflix/Marvel series, but it was almost universally agreed that the first half of the season was much stronger than the second.

http://screenrant.com/luke-cage-season-2-filming-start/
 
Cool that they started filming.
 
Okay so, I've only read a few comics with Luke Cage in it. Is there a reason that all of his enemies are named after snakes? What's the significance there?
 
Okay so, I've only read a few comics with Luke Cage in it. Is there a reason that all of his enemies are named after snakes? What's the significance there?

Well all of his enemies in the comics aren't named after snakes. I think only 3 of them are, but no there really was no in story reason behind it at least until recently...kind of. In the soon to be canceled Power Man & Iron Fist series written by David Walker he's retconned it so that several of Cage's old enemies were in a crew in their youth called the Fang Gang. This includes the snake named villains as well as Tombstone and Piranha Jones.
 
Cool to hear we may be getting Bushmaster. I would love to see Hardcore show up as his henchman.
Okay so, I've only read a few comics with Luke Cage in it. Is there a reason that all of his enemies are named after snakes? What's the significance there?

Only a few of his enemies have snake names.
 
I think it's somewhat disproportionate early (although Bushmaster might be closer to issue 50). I think there's a bit of a first mover bias where Diamondback was first and they want to emulate that.
 
Keep in mind the the villains who I REALLY wanted to see are Atlas and Chemistro but Nightsahde will do.
 
"Byron" is Bushmaster a.k.a. John McIver.

"Tiffany" is Tilda Johnson aka Nightshade.
 
I think Tamara could be a original character. Luke Cage season one featured plenty of original characters.
 
Tamara could also be Monica Lynne. A Black Panther supporting character I know, but one usually rooted in NYC in the comics, and definitely a singer.

With BP focusing on Wakanda, I wouldn't be surprised if the tv side got the okay to use her.

Character could also be a re-imagined Harmony Young.
 
I thought she could be Monica Lynne but I think they may hold onto that character for potential Black Panther sequels.

Harmony Young reworked as a singer instead of a model sounds possible
 
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