Mad Max: Fury Road - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

Wholly disagree. Female empowerment? Sure. But feminist? It stood for a political and social movement? People just want to lump things in.

Like Batman doesn't kill. What, now it's a Christian movie because "thou shalt not kill"? People would be reaching.

It's like SJWs applauding The Force Awakens. It wasn't for them. It was because Ridley and Boyega are good actors and deservedly got the part.

Just no. Not a feminist movie. It fit that test, or whatever. No male love interest, no this or that. Forget the feminist movie test, but whatever. Feminism, a political and social movement, can't claim a piece of art was made for them because they liked it. That's silly. It's fine that they liked it, and enjoyed the female empowerment, but it wasn't propaganda, like Maleficent. So embarrassed I brought my gf to that movie. She goofed on me about it. Guh. It was so cringey and blunt, that one.

You mean the movie where a group of females wrestle control of their home from an evil king and his entire male army? Did you miss the part when Furiosa was looking for her escape in a land of only women? Did you you miss the obvious chastity belt? How about the fact that the wives were attempting to reclaim ownership of themselves, including their body or the fact that they were being used as a way to produce male heirs? Do you know what feminism is?

And your TFA point is clearly off. They had to write a female main character before they could have one. Kathy Kennedy made a point of this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, I really didn't see it as a feminist film.

Of course you don't. It would ruin your enjoyment of it.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

You mean the movie where a group of females wrestle control of their home from an evil king and his entire male army? Did you miss the part when Furiosa was looking for her escape in a land of only women? Did you you miss the obvious chastity belt? How about the fact that the wives were attempting to reclaim ownership of themselves, including their body or the fact that they were being used as a way to produce male heirs? Do you know what feminism is?

And your TFA point is clearly off. They had to write a female main character before they could have one. Kathy Kennedy made a point of this.

A feminist? On the internet?! I'm shocked.

"'Initially, there wasn’t a feminist agenda,' Miller insisted. Instead, the movie was simply designed to be an extended chase, and 'the thing that people were chasing was to be not an object, but the five wives. I needed a warrior. But it couldn’t be a man taking five wives from another man. That’s an entirely different story. So everything grew out of that.'"

So basically he made an action movie that just happened to have a female side-character that was badass and independent. Also, the female lands seemed pretty anti-man. Anyways, then when people praised it for empowering women, he said yes to the feminism and embraced it as such. Whatever sells, I guess.

And you're right, Rey was written to be female, but you drive the point I made home that it was not made for feminist, it was made for a great character to be enjoyed by general audiences.

And yes, I do know what feminism is. In its purest form its a dinosaur. In this new age, it's become something insane. Do you know what feminism is? It's not just equality to men, like the definition means. It has it's hidden agendas, like patriarchal theory, rape culture, man-spreading, banning bossy and all sorts of things that are so out of touch with what's going on in a first world country, while usually ignoring 3rd world countries where it's needed.

 

[Napoleon]

Of course you don't. It would ruin your enjoyment of it.

 

[Napoleon]

I'm butting out of this convo. Things gonna get ugly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A feminist? On the internet?! I'm shocked.

"'Initially, there wasn’t a feminist agenda,' Miller insisted. Instead, the movie was simply designed to be an extended chase, and 'the thing that people were chasing was to be not an object, but the five wives. I needed a warrior. But it couldn’t be a man taking five wives from another man. That’s an entirely different story. So everything grew out of that.'"

So basically he made an action movie that just happened to have a female side-character that was badass and independent. Also, the female lands seemed pretty anti-man. Anyways, then when people praised it for empowering women, he said yes to the feminism and embraced it as such. Whatever sells, I guess.

And you're right, Rey was written to be female, but you drive the point I made home that it was not made for feminist, it was made for a great character to be enjoyed by general audiences.

And yes, I do know what feminism is. In its purest form its a dinosaur. In this new age, it's become something insane. Do you know what feminism is? It's not just equality to men, like the definition means. It has it's hidden agendas, like patriarchal theory, rape culture, man-spreading, banning bossy and all sorts of things that are so out of touch with what's going on in a first world country, while usually ignoring 3rd world countries where it's needed.

One, where is that quote from. Second, do you know what the world "Initially" means? Because I am guessing the rest of that quote probably goes on to mention the very feminist nature of the film.

Do you know who runs Lucasfilms now? Or the fact that the first three new Star Wars movies feature female leads? Because Kathy Kennedy has emphasized this very point and that it isn't simply random.

Thank you for that last paragraph by the way. Made it really clear. You have a problem with feminism. Must be difficult to realize that a film you like is based in it. Kind of like how all those racist freaked out about a black Stormtrooper.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm butting out of this convo. Things gonna get ugly.

You read his last post and decided, yeah I don't want to be his running mate anymore. Good decision.

 

[Sawyer]

Darth is snatching weaves.

 

[jmc]

It's not a feminist movie. It's a story that involves women.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

What in the world

 

[Sawyer]

There seems to be a misconception here that "Feminist movie" = the entirety of the running time being dedicated to watching every female character grab every male character by the face while shouting "THIS IS FOR FEMINISM!!!1!" before genitally mutilating them and reading Gloria Steinem quotes aloud to one another.

 

[Snow Queen]

There seems to be a misconception here that "Feminist movie" = the entirety of the running time being dedicated to watching every female character grab every male character by the face while shouting "THIS IS FOR FEMINISM!!!1!" before genitally mutilating them and reading Gloria Steinem quotes aloud to one another.

Wait, that wasn't what happened? What movie did I watch....

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

See when I hear feminist I think of it being female vs. Male where females kick ass and are superior and men are scum. This movie places females and males on the same level. It's like at the end of the day: we're both human beings trying to get by. Anybody can get the short end of the stick

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There seems to be a misconception here that "Feminist movie" = the entirety of the running time being dedicated to watching every female character grab every male character by the face while shouting "THIS IS FOR FEMINISM!!!1!" before genitally mutilating them and reading Gloria Steinem quotes aloud to one another.

Exactly.

See when I hear feminist I think of it being female vs. Male where females kick ass and are superior and men are scum. This movie places females and males on the same level. It's like at the end of the day: we're both human beings trying to get by. Anybody can get the short end of the stick

Where did you learn about feminism, at a Donald Trump rally?

 

[4thWallBreaker]

One, where is that quote from. Second, do you know what the world "Initially" means? Because I am guessing the rest of that quote probably goes on to mention the very feminist nature of the film.

Do you know who runs Lucasfilms now? Or the fact that the first three new Star Wars movies feature female leads? Because Kathy Kennedy has emphasized this very point and that it isn't simply random.

Thank you for that last paragraph by the way. Made it really clear. You have a problem with feminism. Must be difficult to realize that a film you like is based in it. Kind of like how all those racist freaked out about a black Stormtrooper.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cannes-2015-mad-maxs-tom-795589 Sorry I omitted it.

Yeah, so what if women are leads? No problems. You're acting like I have them with those movies.

Not being feminist doesn't mean you're anti-woman. That's so infantile. And speaking of infantilizing, that's why I'm not feminist. Women are strong. They don't need a movement that does nothing but microaggressions all year round. Is no one moderate anymore? Crazy right-wingers or delusional lefties. It's so stupid.

And comparing me to racists? Talk to me when you'd like an adult conversation. These are very heavy concepts that you're using as playthings to talk about a movie with. A movie. You laugh with elitism in your head. I get it. You believe you're cultured and see a bigger picture. I get it. Your arrogance gives you narrow views. It's hypocritically ironic. Painfully so. But I can tell I'm talking to a brickwall. I've had these chats before. But you're wrong. And you think I'm wrong. So there it is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cannes-2015-mad-maxs-tom-795589 Sorry I omitted it.

Yeah, so what if women are leads? No problems. You're acting like I have them with those movies.

Not being feminist doesn't mean you're anti-woman. That's so infantile. And speaking of infantilizing, that's why I'm not feminist. Women are strong. They don't need a movement that does nothing but microaggressions all year round. Is no one moderate anymore? Crazy right-wingers or delusional lefties. It's so stupid.

And comparing me to racists? Talk to me when you'd like an adult conversation. These are very heavy concepts that you're using as playthings to talk about a movie with. A movie. You laugh with elitism in your head. I get it. You believe you're cultured and see a bigger picture. I get it. Your arrogance gives you narrow views. It's hypocritically ironic. Painfully so. But I can tell I'm talking to a brickwall. I've had these chats before. But you're wrong. And you think I'm wrong. So there it is.

Did you read the rest of that article? Because it clearly shows the movie is feminist.

"Initially, there wasn’t a feminist agenda," Miller insisted. Instead, the movie was simply designed to be an extended chase, and "the thing that people were chasing was to be not an object, but the five wives. I needed a warrior. But it couldn’t be a man taking five wives from another man. That’s an entirely different story. So everything grew out of that."

For her part, Theron said she was happy to take on a role that allowed her "to celebrate everything there is about being a woman, and not trying to put women on a pedestal, but being surrounded by other women in a story that was just real."

The point with Star Wars is clear. Maybe you should check out the words of Kathy Kennedy, the person running LF:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...character-extremely-significant-says-producer

That is feminism sir.

I don't think I am elite or cultured. I think I am a decent human being, who didn't just write the phrase "rape culture" and then talk about how I have no problem with women. But yes, of course, I am the problem.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Where did you learn about feminism, at a Donald Trump rally?

I'm just talking about the stigma behind it. I don't know where feminism lies these days since it's painted as a joke like I said with the female vs. male bull****. I honestly think that changes everything because the idea behind feminism has become unclear

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't give a **** if this is feminist or not. It's a ****ing awesome movie. That's all that matters. t:

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Did you read the rest of that article? Because it clearly shows the movie is feminist.



The point with Star Wars is clear. Maybe you should check out the words of Kathy Kennedy, the person running LF:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...character-extremely-significant-says-producer

That is feminism sir.

I don't think I am elite or cultured. I think I am a decent human being, who didn't just write the phrase "rape culture" and then talk about how I have no problem with women. But yes, of course, I am the problem.

I did read the whole article.

Well, when your rebuke to my post was just a mudsling, it kind of shows you have no argument. Such a decent thing of you to do.

Also, "rape culture" was coined in American, male prisons because of the amount of rape that overshadows rape in America proper. Feminism is throwing around all these half-truths or full on lies. False stats and claiming this and that. "Do you believe in the equality of women? You do? That's great. And that means you're a feminist!" Nope. It's a political ideology. Will not submit to your cult. You for equality of African Americans? Why aren't you for and advocating for the Black Panther Party or BLM? See how silly. Everyone wants a label. Especially if it's a popular one.

Just want people to think for themselves. I'm not a stupid ace MGTOW or whatever, I'm just rational.

This film had female empowerment and it was later deemed a feminist action movie. Later. Meaning after. Not initially.

Ok, then. I think we've reached a head. So whatever. The movie was fine. The characters didn't feel too characterized or developed. They were just archetypes sliding into place. It was the story that was interesting. And of course the superficial action was well done.

 

[Black Narcissus]

We are not things.

 

[jmc]

Yeah the whole feminist tag was applied after the movie was released. Miller's point was that this particular story had to be about a women saving other women. If Furiosa is a male character the entire story goes off into a different direction. Female focused doesn't equate to some sort of feminist statement. Everything in that film is done to serve the story, not some ideology.

 

[Victarion]

I found it oddly progressive that Joe would give a woman a position of power given how he treats his wives and the mother's. It's more interesting with the Imperator as a woman as opposed to another guy like Rictus.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I found it oddly progressive that Joe would give a woman a position of power given how he treats his wives and the mother's. It's more interesting with the Imperator as a woman as opposed to another guy like Rictus.

Well, even his midget brother had more authority than Rictus. lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I did read the whole article.

Well, when your rebuke to my post was just a mudsling, it kind of shows you have no argument. Such a decent thing of you to do.

Also, "rape culture" was coined in American, male prisons because of the amount of rape that overshadows rape in America proper. Feminism is throwing around all these half-truths or full on lies. False stats and claiming this and that. "Do you believe in the equality of women? You do? That's great. And that means you're a feminist!" Nope. It's a political ideology. Will not submit to your cult. You for equality of African Americans? Why aren't you for and advocating for the Black Panther Party or BLM? See how silly. Everyone wants a label. Especially if it's a popular one.

Just want people to think for themselves. I'm not a stupid ace MGTOW or whatever, I'm just rational.

This film had female empowerment and it was later deemed a feminist action movie. Later. Meaning after. Not initially.

Ok, then. I think we've reached a head. So whatever. The movie was fine. The characters didn't feel too characterized or developed. They were just archetypes sliding into place. It was the story that was interesting. And of course the superficial action was well done.

Do you read your own post? If you are going to continue to sound like you live in a bunker waiting for the end times and attend Trump rallies, don't be upset when people point it out.

The feminist message came organically through the actual creation of the film. That is the exact reason why Furiosa was created, and then Miller brought on Eve Ensler in to consult the cast. By the way, the "feminist label" came before the movie was released, and was heavily talked about in the reviews.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah the whole feminist tag was applied after the movie was released. Miller's point was that this particular story had to be about a women saving other women. If Furiosa is a male character the entire story goes off into a different direction. Female focused doesn't equate to some sort of feminist statement. Everything in that film is done to serve the story, not some ideology.

And why is that?

You seem to think that the story itself being served means that feminism can't be served. That is clearly false. The very nature of the story is based in feminism ideas. Carol is a brilliant film and story. It is also clearly a film about LGBT life. The two things are not mutually exclusive, in fact rarely ever are.

Well, even his midget brother had more authority than Rictus. lol

There was a reason why Joe was looking for a "pure" heir.