The Amazing Spider-Man Marc Webb to return?

[©KAW]

That's why they call it a trilogy, and not just a movie, it shouldn't be looked at as a stand alone film. Although, I personally like a few hanging threads, I don't need it to be a neatly packaged trilogy, where you're being spoon fed everything to the point of no speculation. Besides capturing Uncle Ben's killer of course. Plus, I like seeing fanboys all riled up over something they can't control--it's why I come to be here.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Dark Knight Trilogy is a trilogy, but each film can be seen as standalone. That's silly to say each film can't be seen as their own.

 

[©KAW]

But it's not a stand alone film, no matter how much you think it is. Parts of BB story is included in TDKR, and TDKR runs on what was in BB. Just like TDK ran on what was in BB, the Joker Card.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But it's not a stand alone film, no matter how much you think it is. Parts of BB story is included in TDKR, and TDKR runs on what was in BB.

The same can be said for Raimi's trilogy as well but still...they can be viewed as standalone.

 

[AF3619]

Well i like TASM as a standalone film , but they do set up things for sequels and i like that t:
for me TDK trilogy was great but they brings stuff from the other movies and are standalone films , they want to do that with spidey

something tell me the slogan for TASM2 will be like "The Untold Story continues" and they will leave stuff of Peter parents for the third
"The Untold story ends"

 

[Oscorp]

I really hope Horner stays because I loved his score

 

[©KAW]

The same can be said for Raimi's trilogy as well but still...they can be viewed as standalone.

True, but let's examine:

Any movie of a trilogy can be viewed as a standalone. Regardless, they are unfinished stories. Harry Osborn swearing revenge on Spider-Man in the first film. Why wasn't his revenge handled in the first movie? Answer: It's a trilogy, you have to wait and see what happens next. As you call it, SEQUEL BAIT! Same with Spider-Man 2. Again, that's why they're called a trilogy and not a standalone film.

 

[pickleweed]

The Dark Knight Trilogy is a trilogy, but each film can be seen as standalone. That's silly to say each film can't be seen as their own.

i dont think there is any reasonable way you can view tdkr as a standalone film in any regards. but the other two, i agree can.

 

[LegendAssemble]

But it's not a stand alone film, no matter how much you think it is. Parts of BB story is included in TDKR, and TDKR runs on what was in BB. Just like TDK ran on what was in BB, the Joker Card.

The Dark Knight Rises really doesn't refference much of what happened in The Dark Knight, but it has flashbacks that explain everything.

Same with the Dark Knight. It's a continuation of the story from Begins but it's not a necessary continuation. In addition it could have easily stood on it's own, just showing us we have a world with Batman and his super-villains (Joker, Scarecrow, Two-Fae). In addition the movie doesn't leave any loose ends to tie at the end.

Begins the Joker card was not a plot point. The movie is about setting up the status quo to the Batman universe the card could have been anything, but it was an easter egg to show Batman has now begun, including his greatest enemy. It could have easily ended there.

The Raimi Spider-Man movies did a good job of this too. The first one Peter completes a solid emotional journey and at the end accepts his responsibilities. There is the part where Harry says Spider-Man will pay but that could have easily just been to put emphasis on Peter's inner dilemma's considering Harry follows that up by saying that Peter is "all he has".

Spider-Man 2 left us with a cliff hanger but it added to and completed the emotional journey from the first film leaving us satisfied.

Despite what ©KAW might believe these are not "Sequel Bait" but more of open doors. We've reached the end of the latter, now what next? Also it's always stupid to look at something as trilogy or an extended work because you should always try to put all of you're best ideas into what you've got now and make the best thing you can with that, because creative people will not cease to be creative and more good ideas come up in production. The biggest problem is when you come up with an idea thats great but you're stuck with what you set up for so you try to do both and in the process ruin both ideas (Spider-Man 3 anyone?)

Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and other book adaptations can do this because they have a source material thats more solid than the comic books. A set storyline to follow, rather than adapting 50 years of comic book history.

Look at Star Wars. It was always going to be more than one film, back when Lucas had a sole, he made sure he had the marketing rights so he could advertise his film (since he didn't think Fox would) and raise money to produce the sequel. Despite this the original film could easily be a self contained work. They didn't start to leave unresolved points until they produced the sequel, and they did that by building on what we knew and destroying the previously established status quo.

 

[©KAW]

You wrote all that to try and convince me that THE JOKER CARD, Harry Osborn's revenge, and Harry finding the Goblin equipment in SM2 was not sequel bait, when in fact it was, serious now? These elements help run the next film, no different from what Webb is doing.

 

[Jexx]

You were saying you can't see how anyone would find it unwatchable?

*points down*

I still can't see it.

I can see that people are saying it, but I just can't see why.

It's because of my mindset though.

Especially saying it's 'forgettable' if it doesn't get a sequel? I really don't understand that.

 

[Jexx]

The Dark Knight Trilogy is a trilogy, but each film can be seen as standalone. That's silly to say each film can't be seen as their own.

Actually, I disagree, I don't think that TDKR could be a stand alone film, I think it relies a lot on what happened in The Dark Knight, and Batman Begins.

The first two films though could stand alone.

 

[Anno_Domini]

True, but let's examine:

Any movie of a trilogy can be viewed as a standalone. Regardless, they are unfinished stories. Harry Osborn swearing revenge on Spider-Man in the first film. Why wasn't his revenge handled in the first movie? Answer: It's a trilogy, you have to wait and see what happens next. As you call it, SEQUEL BAIT! Same with Spider-Man 2. Again, that's why they're called a trilogy and not a standalone film.

Having some bait is far different than leaving opened plots that could be dealt with in the first film. There's no way Harry could have done anything to Spidey in the first film, and there's no way Batman was going to find Joker in Batman Begins, but TAS-M left out too many plots open that it will feel like a waste if there isn't a sequel, or a satisfying one without Webb being involved.

i dont think there is any reasonable way you can view tdkr as a standalone film in any regards. but the other two, i agree can.

Flashbacks doesn't hinder TDKR for being a standalone film.

I still can't see it.

I can see that people are saying it, but I just can't see why.

It's because of my mindset though.

Especially saying it's 'forgettable' if it doesn't get a sequel? I really don't understand that.

It may not truly be forgettable, but it will certainly be unwatchable.

 

[Jexx]

No it won't be, I would still watch it.

Maybe not you... but the fact that I would watch it means it's not certain.

 

[pickleweed]

Flashbacks doesn't hinder TDKR for being a standalone film.

its well beyond flashbacks. the entirety of the movie is built around the previous 2 in ways the others werent.

why is the dent act built on a lie? oh, that happened in number 2

what was harvey's impact on gotham? oh, also number two

what is gordon talking about? whats this truth he's so ashamed to hide? #2

why is wayne retired? hmmmmmm......2

what letter was alfred talking about? oh wait, that happened somewhere else

who was ra's al ghul, and why do i care about his son/daughter? oh wait....wasnt ra's and his master plan part of the first one? they were!

whats a league of shadows? oh the place bruce trained in the first one!

im guessing you also believe that return of the jedi is also a standalone movie :?

 

[Jexx]

Yea, I really don't feel like The Dark Knight Rises was a stand-alone film.

 

[AF3619]

its well beyond flashbacks. the entirety of the movie is built around the previous 2 in ways the others werent.

why is the dent act built on a lie? oh, that happened in number 2

what was harvey's impact on gotham? oh, also number two

what is gordon talking about? whats this truth he's so ashamed to hide? #2

why is wayne retired? hmmmmmm......2

what letter was alfred talking about? oh wait, that happened somewhere else

who was ra's al ghul, and why do i care about his son/daughter? oh wait....wasnt ra's and his master plan part of the first one? they were!

whats a league of shadows? oh the place bruce trained in the first one!

im guessing you also believe that return of the jedi is also a standalone movie :?

Every sequel needs from the first to be a standalone film

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It may not truly be forgettable, but it will certainly be unwatchable.

 

[pickleweed]

Every sequel needs from the first to be a standalone film

uhhhhhhh what?

 

[AF3619]

uhhhhhhh what?

that the sequel to every movie needs elements from the first to work like TDK needs stuff from Batman begins , if you see a sequel as a stand alone film without watching the first some stuff won´t make sense
basically what you said

 

[LegendAssemble]

its well beyond flashbacks. the entirety of the movie is built around the previous 2 in ways the others werent.

why is the dent act built on a lie? oh, that happened in number 2

Doesn't matter the movie presents Gotham as a peaceful place and we are specifically told it is due to the Dent Act. Doesn't matter what it is, we didn't need to see it to understand.

what was harvey's impact on gotham? oh, also number two

He obviously died so it could be cleaned up. It's called logic...

what is gordon talking about? whats this truth he's so ashamed to hide? #2

Well we get a flashback of the guy on the Dent posters pointing a gun at a little boy in a chokehold with Gordon pleading in the background.

why is wayne retired? hmmmmmm......2

Did you think he retired at the end of 2? Because I don't think anyone did. Several people reference Batman murdering Harvey Dent.

what letter was alfred talking about? oh wait, that happened somewhere else

Bruce is moping about someone named Rachel who he let die the whole first 40 minutes then Alfred says "What if I told you she left me a letter?". If you've seen 2 then yes you know whats going on, but if you havent you do too because ALFRED TELLS US IN DETAIL WHAT HAPPENED LIKE WE'RE STUPID.

who was ra's al ghul, and why do i care about his son/daughter? oh wait....wasnt ra's and his master plan part of the first one? they were!

Listen to dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, it's explained.

whats a league of shadows? oh the place bruce trained in the first one!

Again use your human ability to infer since these two people are TALKING ABOUT IT!

im guessing you also believe that return of the jedi is also a standalone movie :?

Not entirely but for the most part yes. The characters all complete a full journey and its resolves all the cliffhangers from the previous film. It's not a tight stand alone story but it is none the less.

 

[LegendAssemble]

A lot of people here seem to be oblivious to the writers attempts to fill in the people that are confused.

 

[pickleweed]

A lot of people here seem to be oblivious to the writers attempts to fill in the people that are confused.

the fact that they NEEDED to fill in the audience as to what happened in the previous movies should tell exactly why this ISN'T a self contained film.

 

[OP84CC82]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYYZWhtl0s&feature=related

 

[Immortalfire]

I just found out for sure, Marc will not be coming back for another Spidey movie. They're bringing in Uwe Boll, and basing the next film off the 70's live action show.